What would Europe be like if Constantine had never adopted Christianity?

>literally fake translations
and those men aren't black

>if Constantine had never adopted Christianity
This stupid meme has to end.

and where the fuck does this projection come from? your ass?

Constantine was the single most important reason for the success of Christianity.

>if Constantine had never adopted Christianity?
There'd be a lot less shitposting about anal sex on Veeky Forums.

>Constantine was the single most important reason for the success of Christianity
No.

>given an arbitrary and constant growth pulled completely out of my ass

Yes. No one without any basic grasp of history as a discipline thinks otherwise. Christianity was not a popular religion. It was a decently-sized one, but no one would project they'd dominate otherwise. In fact, unless you seriously think it's a God-driven religion, there's no reason to believe they'd even exist today if it weren't for Constantine, aside from a few ethnic communities.

*with

>Christianity was not a popular religion
>there's no reason to believe they'd even exist today if it weren't for Constantine
No.

There isn't. Christianity, prior to it becoming the state religion, was extraordinarily demanding. It took years just to convert. If you masturbated, you had to go for ten days on just bread and water. You seriously think a religion like that could become predominant?

>I have no clue what I'm talking about

>I have no expertise in either probability or history and my brain is fueled by memes

>I am now projecting

One of them is literally a satyr.

10%, actually. They were a thing, but small.

Source?

islamic and asian

Sol invictus.

It'd probably end up akin to China: A Roman Folk religion with all manner of gods and godesses and spirits and beings and entities and demons and devils and lares and ancestors and tribal guardians and cherubim and totems and on and on and on, all living in a loose henotheistic jumble.

There would also probably be a number of philosophies/schools akin to Daoism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc, which while not religions per se postulated a doctrinal, logical, and spiritual framework by which to leave. Platonism, Stoicism, Epicureanism, etc, but then we don't know how they'd change over thousands of years.

In the strictest sense, if Constantine doesn't adopt Christianity, it doesn't become nearly as popular. Possibly getting absorbed into the "Roman Folk" mass, or getting even more Romanized, or even just dying off after the gentile-accepting sects stop being the latest fad amongst bored socialites. Without Christianity, there is no Islam, and without the massive web of events that leads to Muhammed there is possibly even no Muhammed.

>fake translations

>his, who runs towards us so like a Moor, with his crisped hair, avows himself the offspring of the cook Santra; while that other, with flattened nose and thick lips, is the very image of Pannicus, the wrestler.

tertullian.org/fathers/martial_epigrams_book06.htm

>Be grateful, you wretch, and offer your wife yourself whatever she has To take, since if she had chosen to let vigorous boys vex and stretch Her belly, you might have been father to an Ethiopian! Your dark heir, Barely visible at dawn, would soon be seen everywhere in the will.

poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/JuvenalSatires6.htm#anchor_Toc282858869

>When tired of each noblest matron Gildo hands her over to the Moors. Married in Carthage city these Sidonian mothers needs must mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian as a son-in‑law, a Berber as a husband. The hideous half-breed child affrights its cradle.

penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Claudian/De_Bello_Gildonico*.html

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I checked the latin. The translations are wrong.

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In your opinion.

Check the latin dipshit.

Looks fine to me.

sure thing

>What would Europe be like if Constantine had never adopted Christianity?
Like India or China probably. A patchwork of folk beliefs tied into a central structure of hellenistic philosophy.

It is.

sure

Europe would be completely muslim. The only reason Europe remained European was because Charlemagne could organize christian kings via the pope to stop Moorish invaders and because the slavic kings kept the muslims at bay for quite a while. Some historians estimate 1 million slavic people were sold into slavery and hundreds of thousand Mediterranean whites (french, italian, greek etc) were sold into muslim slavery.

Yes.

Much of europe would be pagan / non-religious, or possibly just have christian / roman-greek religions on 50/50. Maybe there would be another religion that would be like Christianity, maybe one that would be like Islam, but it would draw only from Judaism instead of other abrahamic religions.

Something like India: a few philosophical schools (Neoplatonism instead of Vedanta) and common deities loosely connecting hundreds of localized cults and myths.

Even if you were correct (you aren't, if anything one could argue Christianity kept Rome from reforming repeatedly ala China), without Christianity there would be no Islam as there would be nothing for Muhammed to base his religion off of if he was even born.

Without Christianity it's highly unlikely Islam would have ever happened.

What a great counterargument

This, tbqh. The rise of monotheism is inevitable in big multicultural empires. If Christianity had never prevailed, some other worship would take over, probably a more European one, like Sol Invictus.

>Marxist allerrrrrt
Because the Apostles and missionaries and Constantine were fighting a class war, right?

Sol invictus didn't ban the worship of other gods though. something akin to panentheism is more likely. which can be seen in Isis's monotheistic streak meaning she was synchronized with all other gods

Pan-European Galactic Empire.

Some later emperor would adopt it

From Macaulay;
>In times when men were scarcely ever induced to travel by liberal curiosity, or by the pursuit of gain, it was better that the rude inhabitant of the North should visit Italy and the East as a pilgrim, than that he should never see anything but those squalid cabins and uncleared woods amidst which he was born. In times when life and when female honour were exposed to daily risk from tyrants and marauders, it was better that the precinct of a shrine should be regarded with an irrational awe, than that there should be no refuge inaccessible to cruelty and licentiousness. In times when statesmen were incapable of forming extensive political combinations, it was better that the Christian nations should be roused and united for the recovery of the Holy Sepulchre, than that they should, one by one, be overwhelmed by the Mahometan power. Whatever reproach may, at a later period, have been justly thrown on the indolence and luxury of religious orders, it was surely good that, in an age of ignorance and violence, there should be quiet cloisters and gardens, in which one brother could employ himself in transcribing the Æneid of Virgil, and another in meditating the Analytics of Aristotle, in which he who had a genius for art might illuminate a martyrology or carve a crucifix, and in which he who had a turn for natural philosophy might make experiments on the properties of plants and minerals.

>Even the spiritual supremacy arrogated by the Pope was, in the dark ages, productive of far more good than evil. Its effect was to unite the nations of Western Europe in one great commonwealth. Races separated from each other by seas and mountains acknowledged a fraternal tie and a common code of public law. Even in war, the cruelty of the conqueror was not seldom mitigated by the recollection that he and his vanquished enemies were all members of one great federation.

>400 182,225,570
>450 980.052.847
>500 5.270.959.419
>600 152.464.954.828

>Oh wow I can't wait for all these guys to go out a spread different interpretations of Christian doctrine
>I told you about Christology bro! I warned you!

It was spreading throughout the Empire way before Constantine adopted it himself, where did you think all the guys who turned up to the Council of Nicea came from? Christianity would've still been a major part of Europe regardless but it probably would've become more influenced by local cults than just some calendar dates