Daily reminder that you should neck yourself if you drive auto

JunkTop
JunkTop

Daily reminder that you should neck yourself if you drive auto

All urls found in this thread:

caranddriver.com/reviews/saturn-ion-red-line-short-take-road-test-specs-page-2

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

autocucks BTFO

Booteefool
Booteefool

Stick masterrace reporting in.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

handles like a sports car
Not until 1988, Honda advertising department

Spamalot
Spamalot

Daily reminder that the fastest manual gear change ever recorded was around 250ms.
Daily reminder that your average modern automatic has a shift time of only 100ms.
Daily reminder that VAG DSG has a shift time of 8ms.

Bidwell
Bidwell

implying shift times matter
nice try bench racer.
That still doesn't account for the larger power loss through an automatic transmission, the heavier weight of automatic transmission (exception being CVTs), the worse fuel economy 9 times out of 10, and the slower acceleration times 9 times out of 10.

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate automatics completely. DCTs are the only acceptable automatics in cars.
Automatics are king in trucks for a reason though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

poor people try really hard to justify acting poor dont they

Techpill
Techpill

bragging about your "luxury feature" from 1940

Methnerd
Methnerd

still living in the 80s

I guess is hard for you guys to realize that tech has improved when you only drive 20 y/o shitboxes.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

bragging about driving an ancient farm vehicle mechanism

automatic surpasses manual in pretty much every way

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I have the best of both worlds

in D move shifter left

Now a Manual Transmission for the power, mpgs, and serious drivings.

Get a phone call or head from supermodel passenger girl

Brocar forces back to automatic transmission.

Anything less is plebian.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Would I want my shitbox to be equiped with the auto tragic that it came with 15 years ago?
No.
Would I want it to have DCT?
Yes.
Would I want it to have a modern slushbox?
Maybe. If it's a high quality one, not the ones you find in minivans or SUVs.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I don't brag about driving manual. I brag about having the ability to drive manual
The only reason automatics are so popular is because people are lazy and refuse to learn.

RavySnake
RavySnake

This

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

acting superior over something so easy

why would you bother to learn manual when its outdated and useless in the modern world unless youre poor enough to only be able to get old shitboxes

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Yeah.
Sure is fun driving automatic
Lemme doubleclutch this corner for fun
Oh wait I can't, gotta wait for gears to change mid corner.
Love it.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

bragging about knowing how to operate a manuel
american """""drivers"""""

DeathDog
DeathDog

ladies and gentlemen, a 16 year old girl.

TechHater
TechHater

See

A modern automatic will change gear at least 3 times faster than your sorry ass can.

FastChef
FastChef

fun is a buzzword its meaningless

nice argument

you know youre wrong manual cant objectively be defended

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

press on the shifter to shift
wait for car to process your request
car shifts when it's ready

Yeah okay lmao

whereismyname
whereismyname

implying everyone drives a car from the early 90'

Not everyone is a poorfag anon

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

nice argument
then stop making the same arguments as my neighbor's teenage son.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

sad that your neighbors teenage son has more logic common sense and debating skills than you do

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Unless it's a dual clutch, that's exactly what's happening. Maybe you should drive more cars?

Spamalot
Spamalot

OP's Pic is a poster for shitbox driving feminists

viagrandad
viagrandad

ITT: poorfags shitposting because they couldn't afford the automatic equivalents of their vehicles

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

yes because his automatic 4 cylinder base model 4g Eclipse is so impressive.

Techpill
Techpill

I drove both autos and manuals.
The only auto that I tried and it was changing slower than a manual was a 90s Audi shitbox.
Even the auto in my moms 10 y/o X3 can change faster than your average Joe.

Emberburn
Emberburn

tfw automatic equivalents of my vehicle is cheaper because nobody wants one in automatic
Your argument's foiled again, autocuck/disabled person

Evilember
Evilember

thats 100% irrelevant to the topic

still probably more impressive than whatever you drive

Flameblow
Flameblow

Implying the automatic version of my car is more expensive.
Implying the automatic version of my car is better.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Because nobody wants a 4 cyl, 20 y/o econobox with an auto.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Nobody wants even a 20 year old luxury car in auto either, so what?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

still probably more impressive than whatever you drive
slower and less cool than a Saturn Ion Redline
Don't think so baka.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

drives a fucking Saturd

yeah nah there isnt much less cool than what you have

no wonder youre so salty

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

LONDON
O
N
D
O
N

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

large power loss

Explain how the new manual Mustang is slower than his auto counterpart?
How the auto does 0-60 0.2 faster, how is more than half a second faster to 100 and how is more than a second faster to 130?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

can't deal with an M62 supercharger
only sees the Saturn badge
still faster than whatever you got.

Explain how the new manual Mustang is slower than his auto counterpart?
gearing

girlDog
girlDog

Most people looking for a """"" luxury """"" car prefer auto

viagrandad
viagrandad

This is where you're wrong

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

still less cool than any car Ive ever owned too

not a benchracing faggot so I dont care about speed

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

So because of the gearing the auto is faster and also gets better gas millage.
Not because auto have caught up and are not the ineficient slushbox that they once were.
Totally the gearing.

You do realize that because of different final drives the difference in gearing is less than 10% depending in what gear you are, right?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

still less cool than any car Ive ever owned too
no it isn't.
Show me your suicide doors.

Skullbone
Skullbone

that seat belt mounting

Just fuck my shit up senpai.

Firespawn
Firespawn

pointless gimmick

the Saturn badge is what makes it uncool you cant be cool in a Saturn

Illusionz
Illusionz

Oh so I should buy the slower, less engaging and heavier version of the car I want because some benchracer busrider jacks off to a transmission type that fools him into thinking he is able to drive a car?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Oh god that cheap plastic
and it has that stupid cluster in the middle bullshit
and its a saturn
:|

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

being literally this poor

Let me guess, your bean bag desk chair is ergonomic when you're browsing on your OC'd Tandy sx/33 on a milk crate that is spliced into your old neighbor's pots line for your Prodigy.net connection too?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Go take your amazing auto x3 to F1 championships and win world championship every year because you can shift 0,2ms faster then.

girlDog
girlDog

I never said what you should buy, I just poined out that an auto is almost as efficient as a manual and can change gear faster.
You are free to buy whatever you want.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

as long as it's auto because I can tip fedora at manual fags and not have nearly as much fun and control when driving.

Face it your auto gearbox aint gonna win you shit except benchracing pissing contests which are meaningless in the real world

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

still fast

takes2long
takes2long

Don't think so baka.
baka.

"I drive a body pillow with waifu Kagome on it nightly....manual"
- you

askme
askme

slower than my mom in her SUV

kek

Bidwell
Bidwell

Assuming yours is the Redline:

ENGINE TYPE: supercharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998cc
Power (SAE net): 205 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

Lol the SR20DET did these numbers in the 90s, going up to 250 hp in the S15 with variable timing and a t28 turbo... and I'm sure countless other engines did even better in earlier eras

My v6 RAV4 is faster lol

Works Cited:

caranddriver.com/reviews/saturn-ion-red-line-short-take-road-test-specs-page-2

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

still faster than an I4 4G Eclipse.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

see my post

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

My v6 RAV4 is faster lol
neat post pics.
I have a normal rav4. In autotragic unfortunately.

Techpill
Techpill

Love how you manual fags always bring this shit up but when facts hit the table you all fall back on"muh fun, muh control".
I would take my auto in my DD anytime over a manual.

Methshot
Methshot

I lol'd so hard

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I bet you stance your cars as well since you can't drive

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Daily reminder you should turn in your dick if you care this much about someone elses ride.

Skullbone
Skullbone

nobody cares (although I bet there are some benchracers who do) but its fun to argue.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Overly defensive retard resorting to projecting and deflecting since there's literally no objective argument

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Don't have pics, but it's 2010 sport, v6 (2gr-fe) output approximately 280 hp and 260 tq i believe

RumChicken
RumChicken

automatics just bore me and feel artificial.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I dd a manual because it's more engaging. When I had an auto, I really hated my commute, it was a boring chore. Now I thoroughly enjoy it and I legitimately look forward to driving to and from work.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Yeah, but it's objectively uglier and way less cool. Speed =/= cool

FastChef
FastChef

automatics just bore me and feel artificial.

Most honest post ITT

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

muh fun and muh engagement is a legit argument seeing as people drive cars for fun and to feel in control of the car.
You may as well drive an autotragic diesel maserati ghibli thats been stanced if you think fun or engagement isn't important.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

projecting this hard

I just love how you got mad and started flinging shit when you got BTFO by facts.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

you can stance cars lower with automatic, plus its comfy fuck off.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

i also hate how if you let the foot of the brake the car starts rolling forward. i bet thats not good for the clutch in stop and go traffic, and its also just annoying having to continously hold the brake down. clutches in modern cars are so light anyway, its literally less of an annoyance to just hold down the clutch 1 sec and put the car in neutral than holding the brake.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

As I said my DD is auto but when I get bored on my way to work and feel like hooning a little I just move the lever into S mode and use the paddles.

whereismyname
whereismyname

auto is only good for stancing

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

stance
comfy
robbing my suspension of all it's travel and rolling on extremely thin tyres
COMFY

wew lad, that's some new levels of retardedness

Supergrass
Supergrass

Again, assuming yours is the Redline (top trim/performace model/whatever) you gotta compare it to performance models too. Arguing that your car in top trim is faster than another car in base trim is silly.

Eclipse GT: Premium model equipped with a 263 hp 3.8 L 24-valve SOHC Mitsubishi 6G75 engine, 2009–2012 models have 265 hp

So essentially, if you ran into a GT on the street, you'd get rekt

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

autos don't have neutral

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Or you could do the normal thing and compare it to a car similar in price.
Stop being a retard.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

"lets u select gear" doesn't.
It just tells car you want to change gear and it does when it feels like it.
By far the worst form of auto transmission i've tried even in a modern car.
It's like honda del sol of gearboxes.

I'd rather have an old sw20.

MPmaster
MPmaster

the automatic has a torque converter, the converter takes the brunt of the launch, clutches are for shifts. Ive driven both in nyc traffic, holding a clutch is more annoying even on a civic, and constantly slipping it in traffic is worse for it than an auto.

Spamalot
Spamalot

yeah i can pop it in neutral in like literally 1/10 of a second in manual but in automatic you have to be standing perfectly still foot on brake bla bla bla. this goes with everything. so fucking annoying it thinks youre an idiot everytime. like if its in d and you let go of the brake it doesnt roll forward it stands in place???? everything feels counterintuitive. i tried liking automatic but i just couldnt

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

This. I'm a manualfag until I die, but DCT and modern autos blow manuals out of the fucking water in shift speeds and there more precise than you can ever be... Hence why most high level race cars use DCT instead of conventional manuals

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

stance cars lower with automatic
lower
automatic

so what about manuals then lol they can't be "stanced lower'?

cum2soon
cum2soon

I totally know how your car drive

It takes about 0.1 seconds to change a gear.
The only time it will not let you change gear is when the revs would go past the redline.
Not even a modern manual would allow shit like that.

Bidwell
Bidwell

yea but lets be honest here nobody here is a racing driver and the day you get btfo just because someone had an auto trans means you need to be more tagumi.

iluvmen
iluvmen

We're talking performance figures, not money

hairygrape
hairygrape

You have no objective argument
B-but I have subjective ones!

Methshot
Methshot

True, just saying tho.. can't fuck with DCTs lol

Im gonna row gears all day

Methnerd
Methnerd

I'd probably agree with that, I wouldnt do anything else than cruise with a stock auto, would want a rebuilt high performance replacement..same goes for manual, only so much a stock clutch can take.

TreeEater
TreeEater

press brake
car stops
pop it in N
vs
press brake
car slows down
press clutch
pop it in N
car stops

I can see how auto is complicated.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

performance has nothing to do with money

Might as well compare it to an AMG trim Merc if you don't wanna talk money

Emberburn
Emberburn

depends on where you live i guess, forgot they have potholes in the hood

Firespawn
Firespawn

You clearly have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I'm assuming you've never driven anything beyond the 90's. My car's sportshift mode shifts the instant I tell it to - and faster than any manual obsessed sperglord is capable of.

Flameblow
Flameblow

when you put it in neutral the car doesnt stop, it keeps rolling. its a thing you want to a lot in stop and go traffic. if youre on an automatic youre literally riding the brakes. it feels retarded.

SniperWish
SniperWish

some manual cars have shift linkages that catch on the ground.

WebTool
WebTool

clutch is a doctors degree in american universities

DeathDog
DeathDog

Not a burger, try harder.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I have to avoid looking like a completely retarded autotragic GM fanboi who coal rolls trucks and fucks their cousins
I know, I'll pretend not to be american on an anonymous asian zip tie stitching board

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

king in trucks
semis pervasively use manually transmissions

Illusionz
Illusionz

I have an 2014 BMW auto for work and they are a lot better than people think in terms of shift speed but there is so much more to driving manual than just switching gears fast.

I'm not saying it's not possible but the feeling driving my manual Subaru is complete control at your fingertips not just asking the car to change gear with a paddle.

happy_sad
happy_sad

projecting this hard

Calm down Cletus, you gonna pop a blood vesel.

I don't know what you guys call stop and go traffic but here in stop and go you literally stop for a couple of seconds, after wich you drive further a couple of meters and you stop again.
Shit like this happens when some idiot shashed a guardrail or something and the police decides to close 2 of the 3 lanes.

likme
likme

Control
You're controlling the exact same thing with less "work"

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I don't know what you guys call stop and go traffic but here in stop and go you literally stop for a couple of seconds, after wich you drive further a couple of meters and you stop again.
Shit like this happens when some idiot shashed a guardrail or something and the police decides to close 2 of the 3 lanes.
I have this every morning for an hour until I get to work.
I enjoyed it a lot more in a manual car since there's a tougay on my way home. Also it's not fucking hard to press a pedal. It's literally like driving auto only one more pedal.

If you hate driving that much then google self driving cars are around the corners, you'll be very happy since you'll have to do even less to get from point a to point b.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Maybe the experts in the thread can answer this.

I'm looking at buying a used Ferrari 360, and the only question is what kind of transmission I'll opt for. The manuals are rarer, and more expensive (anywhere from $10K-$15K, from what I understand). The F1's are a lot more common and cheaper, but I've heard they were rushed to market and may be prone to mechanical issues.

Which would you pick?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

stop and go traffic is fun

God your life must be boring.
Go rent a modern car with DCT or even a well sorted out auto with paddles and try it on your tougay.

JunkTop
JunkTop

manual ofcourse
not only because it's a goddamn real honest to god sportscar but italian cars arent reliable and when a manual blows it's not as expensive, but when auto blows expect to pay entire cars price to get it fixed.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Depends on what you want.
For a 360 I would pick out the manual because it will go up in value and you won't track it anytime soon.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Ferrari 360
sports car

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

guys math is hard
fortunately we have calculators which can do it so much faster and easier, so why on earth would i want or ever need to do math in my head!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Compared to their domestic counterparts, early hondas probably handled pretty well. Nip cars in general always handled pretty good.

MPmaster
MPmaster

But it is more fun when you do it in your head.
You also have a lot more control over it when you do it that way.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

8 speed auto
more fuel efficient than a manuel
quicker than a manuel
them smooth gear changes

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Lmao I drive an auto because I live in a city and don't want to fuck off with changing gears

I'll buy a manual when I want to actually drive a car

iluvmen
iluvmen

Based Alpina

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

same box even in diesel models

Emberfire
Emberfire

drives autotragic
doesn't believe driving can be fun
ticks all boxes.

I've tried auto dct and its boring as fuck in tougay compared to a nice manual gearbox.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Elitist "Muh crisp shifts and total control while I'm driving my shitbox to work"

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

thinks stop and go traffic is fun
judges what others think is fun

You might be autistic. Not even joking right now.
Never seen anyone say stop and go traffic is fun.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

won't track it anytime soon
The F1 system would be more effective on a track?
I was planning on taking it to a track, if only to see what times it would be capable of.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Generally the an auto or a DCT will have better times because of the quicker gear changes. That is why cars that are made for track days come with slushboxes.
I would go against tracking any car that you can't afford to throw away.

farquit
farquit

Daily reminder that the fastest manual gear change ever recorded was around 250ms.
LOL Didn't you have all your number wrong yesterday?

TreeEater
TreeEater

I would go against tracking any car that you can't afford to throw away
Thanks for the input.
Is this because high speeds, fast cornering, etc. wear heavily on the components?
I was only planning on doing it once (maybe going for a two day course), but given this info, I might opt for using one of their vehicles instead.
I really would want accurate stats for what I own, but not at the cost of damaging it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Google it yourself.

If you keep tracking a car it will give out sooner rather than later.
Also there is quite a high chance of crashing it.
If you really want to have a fun day at a track get a somewhat cheap car, strip it and mod it to have just the right amount of power/weight ratio.
I did something similar with an old BMW 330. Managed 8 sessions across 7 months with it untill a fucker forgot to brake for a turn and crashed into me.

idontknow
idontknow

but... but my leg hurts in traffic jams, auto are so much better

Total cuck.

Skullbone
Skullbone

strawmaning the hell out of it because no arguments

Have a (((you)))
It's on me

farquit
farquit

If you keep tracking a car it will give out sooner rather than later.
I believe it, which is why I was only planning on going once. Do you think even that would be more strain than I would want to put on it?
Also, re track time. Do you generally have no other choice than to go in groups (making crashes more likely), or can you pay a premium for solo?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

meming my strawmaning

hey you

iluvmen
iluvmen

Literally everything you said was either never true or hasn't been true in at least a decade.

SniperGod
SniperGod

I don't think tracking it once will kill. Not even old alfas give out that fast.
Most tracks will have track days where everyone pays a fees, takes a safety course and is free to trash their car around.
I am not sure about going solo on the track but for the right amount of money you might be able to rent it for a day or something like that.
I imagine is very expensive.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Thanks again.

rent it for a day
Lol. Shit, I don't need a whole day. That's way too much of a good thing, and I probably would fuck it up given that.
I was just hoping for 15-30 minutes or so where they could clock the 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile and lap times.
Which track did you use?

RumChicken
RumChicken

Small (a little over 1km in lenght) local track. Was built about 5 years ago. It's a pretty basic course that favors handling over power.
It doesn't have an official name as it is the only track for more about 200 miles. Or at least I am not aware of any name.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Nope.

farquit
farquit

I hate things that help us to do jobs easier
I love this meme

likme
likme

We speak English here.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I see your point but not everything is made better by technology that makes the drivers job easier. I do prefer having things like electric starters and automatic timing control instead of hand crank to start or a timing stalk on the steering wheel, but having a manual transmission gives the driver greater control of the car that a slushbox cannot replicate without being an expensive and extremely complicated dual clutch auto. Even then I still can't stand the creep that autos have when you let off the brake. The only way I could own a car without a clutch pedal is if you could turn the creep off like you can on a Tesla.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Drove my ex's '14 trail hawk
Slip in to tiptronic
tip up to get into second after takeoff
no response
a full two seconds later
shifts into second
Fucking gay as aids my man. Also you can't select gear, I just goes through the gears at its own pace.

Illusionz
Illusionz

auto makes city driving waaaay better

farquit
farquit

american """""cars"""""

Not everybody makes shit cars that take seconds to change a gear.
Actual cars have shift times way, way under that.

viagrandad
viagrandad

1974

Did H00nda start the "my Civic is a sports car" meme themselves?

Bidwell
Bidwell

mup da doo didda po mo

Evilember
Evilember

Why should I care? I'm not a drag strip racer.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

That was posted because manufags always go about how much faster is to change gears yourself.

Soft_member
Soft_member

They conceded that expensive automagic grenade transmissions were much quicker for that. The arguments now are

muh durability
muh feels

In all fairness if you're buying a car for fun you probably shouldn't be using lap times to make decisions.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Fun is subjective.
Some find fun in cruising, some in drifting, some in beating their own time laps.
Hating on a certain gearbox type like some anons here is autistic.

askme
askme

manualfags still think their near obsolete stick shift is superior in current year
so bootyblasted by it that they continuously make threads about it
O i am laffin

DeathDog
DeathDog

Is that a RX8?

farquit
farquit

It's a Saturn ion judging by the gauge cluster being in the center

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Driving my 2004 Opel Zafira 1.6L (100 bhp) with a manual transmission is as fun as driving my dad's 2011 Volvo XC90 R-design 2L turbocharged (200 bhp) with a pretty good automatic transmission.

Its all about the sensation and movements of changing gears. You feel the speed on a different level than an automatic, which does everything for you.

A manual transmission forces you to be more observant while driving. Automatic transmission makes you lazy behind the wheel.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

drag racing manual transmission
aussie outs himself in a single post

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

You should neck yourself period.

StonedTime
StonedTime

New cars have a brake hold feature which just holds the brake down until you push the gas, I love it.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

If it's the 9 speed ZF transmission, it really is hot garbage.

girlDog
girlDog

S-shift times don't m-matter you b-benchracer
proceeds to post a ton of bullshit that might account for milliseconds on lap times

Also this
and the slower acceleration times 9 times out of 10.
Is straight up wrong, it's what automatics are best at.

Now, if you had said predicting downshifts for corner entry, I would have agreed, but cmon son.

cmon

iluvmen
iluvmen

m-manual driving means im in control more

reminder that 99 percent of Veeky Forums rides around in an automatic vehicle (pic related)

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

tfw drive an automatic hatchback
might as well be a bus rider

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The 750 E32 came only in auto, like a luxury car should be.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I got one of these too. Awful squeaking sound in the back I can't seem to locate when I go over bumps... Drives me nuts.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Enjoy your grenaded diff if you have any toruque.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Manual swap fag reporting in such a peculiar feeling Bros.

Pick it up next week if all goes well

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

reminder that 90 percent of statistics are outright bullshit

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