Hurrr durr fuck da EPA they're useless! Why can't I remove my cat and get 1.2 xtra HP out of my shitbox Civic...

I bet you voted Trump as well. Idiot.

Global warming alarmism is a religion.

It's sad really. You go through 13 years of public education which is a complete mess, but nonetheless aren't able to actually assess the arguments for and against.

Rather you have some straw man arguments in mind (that have been implanted by the government/media) and now you are too infuriated to actually listen to the opposition.

The alarmists haven't made up their mind. The earth is heating or it's cooling? Alarmists get aggressive and say no it's climate change. Alarmism is just a pretext for bigger government and higher taxes. It justifies funneling massive funds into solving an issue, that even if it is as great as alarmists would have us believe, can't be stopped.

The entire alarmist position is riddled with shoddy science and bias. Most scientists will happily go along with it if it means more money for their research institutes or if it means not getting fired, and since most scientists (especially chemists, geologists and biologists) are confined mostly to academia (a hotbed for leftism) it means most of them will go along with it.

As per usual, the alarmist position is very dynamic. Failed prediction after failed prediction still doesn't stiffle them. According to most alarmists by 2016 the world should've been covered in water (from the ice caps melting) and land rendered inhabitable due to insanely high temperatures. Yet even though prophecies of Armageddon have failed to happen. The alarmists with their faith in the government and 'pop science' won't back down.

He'll happily pay more for his utilities, goods and higher taxes if it means the politicians, leaders and scientists who are furiously at work trying to solve the issue enjoy six digit salaries. It doesn't matter.

populartechnology.net/2014/12/97-articles-refuting-97-consensus.html

Reddit please go

I am actively advancing global warming and smog. Daily driving a gas vehicle that gets 8 to 12 mpg and has no cats makes me worse than 99 percent of people I am sure. Also noise.

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>scientist are WRONG
>I just know it, its a gut feeling

yeah that is EXACTLY what he said

Veeky Forums should not discuss politics. Veeky Forums in general should not discuss politics, yet here we are...

Leave him alone. Public schooling usually rots the brains ability to reason logically and it destroys any individuality in a person. So the fact he would never dare to stray from the mainstream opinion even if mountains of scientific evidences are against it, won't matter to him.

>"mountains of scientific evidences are against it"
>3% of scientist
>2% which are paid by oil companies, 1% are senile
>""mountains""

love how Rugged 'Muricans just KNOW things, they love to "reason logically" but when the logic goes against theirs, they dismiss it as lies

WAKE UP SHEERPLE

Retard. I gave you a link debunking your 97% consensus. Oh wait I forgot. It's not in a more palatable format. Sorry it's a meme on 'I fucking love science' or some nu-male condensing it into 10 fun facts.

The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself

For once OP is not a faggot.

>"Why should we love fossil fuels"
>single source
>obvious and painful anti alternative energy bias

lmfao

>1.2 HP

I went to a catless downpipe and retuned for it and gained about 20whp, so....

How does bias refute the argument posited by them? Global warming alarmist have an even greater bias in that they are financially motivated to push global warming. The bigger the scare the bigger the funding. I know you are either from some statist country. Either Europe, Australia or even some socialist state like California or Washington.

...so you still had a slow-ass shitbox and you'd have been better off buying a more powerful and lighter one in the first place

>virtually every scientist
>multiple sources, universities, etc
>Real American (tm) finds a single website, to debunk them all. Praise be onto Jesus
>"h-how can your multiple institutions of higher learning refute my one obscure, and clearly pro fossil fuels website??"
>"y-you're just scared"

Ameriburger "thought" process, everyone

That hole in the ozone layer was also over Antartica

>global warming is real
>we just don't know if it's our fault or not
>so let's not do anything about it because fuck people getting paid to do their jobs

Holy fuck Veeky Forums really is a bunch of angry poorfags

>mfw I fell for the diesel meme
>mfw they told me it was 'greener' and cheaper than petrol (it is cheaper for road tax in the UK right now)
>mfw diesel prices are higher than petrol
>mfw they now say it's more harmful due to carbon emissions
>mfw VW got found out leaving me wondering if every other manufacturer is lying about their emissions
>mfw the government are considering penalizing diesel drivers with new higher taxes

Literally not an argument

Never said it was, just pointing out that you're a fucking retard who'd rather let the world burn than let scientists do their damn job

Fucking dropouts on this board FFS

Dropouts? Kek. Says the guy wouldn't respond to the material I gave him. Keep paying those taxes.

But retard that's the point. The world "isn't burning". Niether literally or metaphorically. We are just fine. It's morons like you who are either too stupid or too timid to speak up against the propaganda. I can give you information that is critical of GWA-ism. But it seems you are too much of a Eurocuck to know better.

>tfw diesel is dirt cheap in Canada
>tfw Mercedes AdBlue really is clean
>tfw 40mpg+ in a 5000lbs AWD sedan

Nice argument fagtron. "Scientists" used to think things burnt because they had a substance called phlogiston present in their make up. "Scientists" also used to think there was a planet inbetween Mercury and Venus. Let people disagree with scientists. Discourse is a critical part of scientific discovery

Shhh, let the regressive rant, highschool should be starting soon anyway

>scientific community says bad things happen if we don't change
>we say OK and change
>bad things don't happen
>SEE GUYS EVERYTHING IS FINE SCIENCE WAS WRONG

nice logic dumbass

>science got some things wrong, as new findings are learnt, it changes accordingly. Its almost as if they have a "scientific method" of sorts
>"u see libcucks? Science was wrong once, that means all science is wrong lol maga"

American "education"

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Please do not bully autistic children OP

I'm not a climate change scepticist just yet, but if anyone's truly interested why people are sceptical, please watch this video. It doesn't debunk climate change, it just raises questions that should be answered.

Just ignore the snotty title

youtube.com/watch?v=TCy_UOjEir0&ab_channel=1000frolly

The rise in global warming has pretty much died since the early 2000s (The pacific heatsink disciples have gone into hiding since early 2014, I wonder why).

CO2 levels are still rising - but the dinosaurs were running around and fucking eachother up at levels over 500%+ higher than today, I don't think an Armageddon where we chocke to death on our on feces is upon us just yet.

To stop pollution, we need to remove the need for constant "growth" to keep our global fractal based economy from an hero, and move on to carbon or energy based economy.

If you where REALLY concerned, you would be pissed at the tankers and not the cars. But making electric tankers doesn't have a market that can be milked like personal mobility - therefore nothing will happen, and it will barely ever be mentioned. It's all smoke and mirrors..
dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

cars make up like 3% of the worlds CO2 emissions. Also a test pipe on my 30mpg 2.0l 4 banger isn't going to kill anyone any more than those faggot brotruckers with 9.0l straight piped v8's.

>da deenosaurs survived, we'll be alright

Wew, nobody is implying gobal warning will make us spontaneously combust, you flaming retard. Its about the survival and/or avoidance of a catastrophic event. All it would take for the shit to hit the fan are a few years of bad crops. That would be enough to make everything collapse, even if it doesn't wipe out humanity outright.

A warming of a few degrees would be enough for that to happen

Brain tumors causing uncontrollable siezures
I get surgery every year and smoke a shitload of weed to keep my brain activity to a minimum. It doesnt help (not trying to be a braggy special snowflake faggot) that i have an above average brain activity my eeg's show severe epileptical ratings of cerebral activity.

Basically i have a brain that works like no fucking tomorrow and i have tumors interfering with it as well. I found a way to basically not work and be rich as fuck(cant hold a job cause of being baked and epilepsy) so i just smoke and work on cars.

Tbh everyone in thia thread should stop fucking arguing about gay shit opinions and push the world further technologically so you all can get the fuck off this planet when it goes to shit and keep the human race going.

The point was that the dinosaurs didn't have cars, yet NATURAL VARIATIONS made the atmosphere hold five times the CO2 of today.

Not saying all this extra CO2 is a good thing, but if it was as bad as they make of it, why don't you think there is any debate about "clean" heavy oil tankers?
The cost would be a fraction of what getting rid of all the cars in the world would be.

I like cars as much as the next guy but Veeky Forums will go to any lengths to defend emissions and 'debunk' global warming as either a hoax or natural just so they can keep driving their decatted shitbox around with a clean conscience.

Kys you stupid burger cuck

Because since more than often, those tankers are registered in 3rd world shitholes, so they aren't bound by EPA. Even if they were, iirc when in international waters, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

You do raise a good point. It would definitely be possible to make tankets burn cleaner, but with Mr "global warming is a Chinese hoax" I doubt it will happen

>>Claims that the so called "Alarmists" over-utilize strawman arguments

>>Makes a strawman argument

Every fucking time.

>98% of scientists agree about global warming, but this user found the (((truth))) on fox news comments and the "hockey stick" graph. wake up sheeple1

The reality is that climate change is certainly real - but "global warming" in the modern human-provoked sense is not well understood. The climate models used are heavily debated, the measurements themselves are heavily debated (particularly the ocean readings), and of course it isn't well understood how the current situation ties into the timeline of the planet's natural lifecycle.

And what has actually happened is Leftists and associated scientists/institutions have shoehorned this into a political issue in an effort to secure funding for themselves for an uncertain issue. And the liberals, being as stupid as they are, eat this shit up and cite it themselves constantly as some attack on conservatives.

In my opinion, whether or not the facts do actually add up is completely irrelevant, because the manner in which this debate is being handled today is not in favor of actually addressing the problem, it's in favor of lining the pockets of certain political parties.

>I'm going to make incorrect statements and provide "sources", and if you disagree you're too stupid to know better.

I agree with you on all points, but I'd rather be on the safe side.

If science is right and we ignore it, we might just all die.

If science is wrong and we follow it, the only price to pay is a slight change in lifestyle.

The safe side does not exist you dumb shit did u even read his post?

Cars are getting ass fucked by euro vi bullshit when we hit good enough targets a decade ago making auto manufacturers take tests because the regulations are not realistic.

I was talking about the overall situation, not cars in particular. Transport in general seems in need of reduction.

No the biggest virus on the planet known as the human fucking race needs a reduction there is no good reason we should keep 5billion poos Asians niggers and mudslime scum on this earth just nuke them

>this guy

A reduction in humans would result in a reduction of transport, so technically you haven't opposed my statement.

Problem is they keep fucking each other and shitting out more niglets

>slight change in lifestyle

It's not that simple though. It's opening up a whole new portal of tax revenue and government regulation that will never be closed.

Personally, I don't have any issues with making a slight compromise to make the other side happy on what may or may not be a very real problem. But that isn't what will happen. Just like every other hot issue, it will be mutilated in a million different ways to enrich those at the top. I wish it was as simple as "oh, we'll just have to refrain from exhaust modifications" or "oh, we'll just have to pay a little bit more tax to fund some solar panels and wind farms", but it isn't, and has never been with any partisan issue in the past

Exactly. Shit like this gets abused over and over again and the ones who get fucked are powerless to stand up to it

U mad?

Blame manufacturing and corporations exploitation of cheap Labor and corruption.

None of this would have happened if seppos kept their own companies under control.

China Africa and India should have been avoided at all costs and are easily the worst countries on earth

No, corporations exploit their cheap labor BECAUSE they keep fucking like rabbits. They can't even feed themselves yet shoot out a kid every year

Bullshit they wouldn't be able to even do that if they where as poor as they where 30+ years ago fuck off cunt bankers and moneymen are just as responsible as dumbcunts who can't stop breeding.

Cull them with another "world war" or equivalent mass extinction event and be done with it.

No wonder the Nazis went to the moon and the Atlantans and ancient Egyptians went to p39x

>remove my cat and get 1.2 xtra HP out of my shitbox Civic

Implying its not done purely for sound and not being a cuck. A cat is literally a chastity belt for your car.

I have removed the cat from every car i own. Learn to uncuck.

Try CARB added onto epa shit here in CA. We have some epic driving roads, but fuck me our laws are retarded.

Global warming caused by yuumans is very real.

I've been driving catless for over 11 years now doe. On my first car, just going catless took 1.1 fucking seconds off my 1/4-mile time.

Think of all those catless jet engines and cargo ships...

[ On average, a plane produces a little over 53 pounds of carbon dioxide (CO2) per mile. ]

It's not even the education system. It's the echo chamber the most vocal of our idiots make around themselves.

>reading comprehension
Nice job european

On average a plane also carries more people than just one fat autist.

>any sort of comprehension
Just give up, fatty.

That's what happens when you paki-stack 20 million in a people that can realistically support less than a million. Stop living in the earths taint .

The only thing I have a problem with is California smog laws when old cars are such a small portion of what's on the road. They've been statistically proven to do nothing on top of the standards for new cars.

Of course it makes the state bank (they charge the few even on exempt brand fucking new vehicles) and they get to sell it back to idiot democrats as saving the environment when all it is is a tax so it's never going away.

Who's doing their part?

Looks like you've got bigger things to worry about. Better learn to swim faggots.

I don't operate under 4,000 RPM

Smog is an artifact of weather control, specifically the release of condensation nucleates. Cars just happens to be a convenient explanation for the purposes of taxation and restriction. Global warming was the first version of the name with which to explain to the plebe why extreme weather was happening more frequently, to blame the plebe himself and to tax and control the plebes economic behavior. The problem is that extreme weather included a good component of 'below seasonal' temps, so 'global warming' as a terminology became ineffective and contradictory, so they coined the term "climate change" which is about as abstract as they could get, it seems. "climate change" suggests nothing about the root cause, without being accurate. "Climate change" is really and truthfully an apt terminology, given that yes the climate is being changed. The plebe never once wavers from what he's been told; "it's you!" to even consider that it's a decades old, international climate modification program which takes approximately ZERO (0) days off annually.
>inb4 (You)

I meant to say "without being INaccurate"

How am I supposed to get a good exhaust note?

Why do you think quoting someone like they're a retard helps your argument?

Meanwhile at the EPA

Smog isn't global warming
And the EPA isn't in control of smog emissions, it's county level.

Basically you're fucking stupid.

>You will live to see the resource wars fought with nuclear weapons and climate refugees flood all western countries to the point of collapse in your lifetime

Slow down on the Hollywood movies pls

The faster Trump turns California into a toxic hellhole the faster Caliexit can happen

EPA has emission standards since 1972 retard.

It's just up to the state and county level to choose to enforce it afterwards.

>county level to choose to enforce it
hmm

id put 4 cats on my turbo ls1 and have that bitch blow cleaner than a prius if they would just let me keep the fucking turbo on.

the whole gas analyzer test was that for the specific purpose of TESTING THE FUCKING EXHAUST GASSES. But no, that wasnt enough for you fuckholes, not only do you need to know that the exhaust is clean, but also that the parts installed were graced by the CARB priests that charge an extra billion dollars for your fucking parts.

if the exhaust is clean its fucking clean, no matter how its done or what parts are used. this bullshit has gone too fucking far.

Why are liberals so brain dead?

Smog isn't caused by car exhausts. The exhaust is clear. How could it cause brown smog?

Your NOx emissions are worth 40 cars. Stop straight piping your shitbox. Your shit inline 4 sounds like a wet fart.

You're a retard. Enjoy choking on your own exhaust.

Meanwhile, Miami is raising streets and installing pumping stations to keep out the rising oceans.

>Pay a scientist to agree
>Ostracize all who don't
WOW 98%!

global warming is a natural trend and in no way caused by humans. And if it is caused by humans, it's the chinese, not america. And it's industry, not cars.

Go back to driving a 1.5l diesel peugeot that runs on gay sex and uncontrolled immigration you limp dick faggot.

>hear that guys?? 98% of scientist have been BRIBED
>only these 4 over here are telling the truth! totally not bought and paid I swear

who are you quoting?

They constantly move goal posts. They don't even call it global warming anymore.

Global warming is real but we're well past the point of stopping it. Just look at the polar ice growth charts for this year, they finally fell off the standard up-down pattern and are dropping hard. It's over, not even trying really fucking hard for 20 years is going to stop us from having serious drought and famine.

That's because retards like you heard global warming and assumed it was false because you had the worst winter in years meanwhile the coldest places in the world are warming up at a massive pace and farmlands are all struggling to do their farming thing.