The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles

>The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

Prove him wrong.

Protip: you can't.

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>Jew

There you go.

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About as accurate as his theory on the value of labor

>hitherto
Opinion discarded

This.

Dialectical materialism assumes that humans are purely rational, self interested actors, which is patently untrue.

While economic and societal tensions are an important part of history, all historical methods are fundamentally nothing more than heuristics to approximate the actions of countless individuals with complex, unpredictable motives.

Also, if I find out you're a Marxist, I'll throw you out of a helicopter.

Honest to god, I'll do it.

>all art, technology, religion, philosophy and literature is about class struggle
>all militaristic engagements, like the Persian invasion of Greece, was about class struggle
Heh

Daily reminder.

>I'll do it

I hate commies as much as anyone else lad, count me in. But to be fair, we'd have to kill the far right wingers as well.

Marxism is no less "muh feels" than Austrotards. Nothing but bullshit asspull axioms galore.

You see, communists are nothing but red fascists.

If we get them, garden variety autocrats, fundamentalist religion, and people who buy Nickelback albums, the human condition will be as improved from the removal of these mental contagions as it was by the removal of smallpox and polio.

If you intentionally focus on just one aspect of history, then sure.

I could just as easily say that all history is just music and ignore everybody who wasn't a musician.

Meh, marx might have got a lot wrong but i don't think marxism is about muh feels.

Are you implying that fascism is far-right?

You see, the left-right dichotomy refers to conditions within a relatively narrow, defined segment of human social organization, where the rule of law, property rights, and other bedrock fundamentals are considered a given.

It is thus inadequate to explain the behavior of states with no constitutional norms, that do not function as republics.

It is the height of folly to lump rulers like Stalin and Gandhi into the same category, because of an arbitrary level of state intervention in the economy.

Also, they all splat the same when they hit the water from 15,000 feet.

It is. As much as Marxism tries to appear cold and amoral, the entire alienation thing is literally just a moral argument coated into philosophical (Marx would probably even say it's scientific) dressing.

>nickleback

You fucking pleb, Death Grips is what we need.

Well, that's why I was saying they need to be eliminated

Along with people who intentionally modify the muffler on a motorcycle to make it louder, and people who have sound systems with good enough bass that I can hear them inside my house.

And also, cars that sound the horn for a split second if you hit the "lock door" button a second time. That shit kills me.

>von Mises
>unironically

Sure, early marx may have some feelings involved.

>I'll throw you out of a helicopter
>Honest to God I'll do it.

Try throwing yourself out of your chair first.

You don't have a helicopter, you're an oppressed cuck.

>where the rule of law, property rights, and other bedrock fundamentals are considered a given
hypocritically so since cromwell, we've been in dystopia. masses think they are free but arent thus even harder to free them from the evidence of physical chains around their wrists

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Half of Capital: Volume One is composed of statistics from the early industrial era in England.

Marxism is still a respected and wifelt regarded field of study, von Mises is what people who watch YouTube videos about the bitcoin revolution and stock up on gold watch.

Listen fag, I have half a million dollars left over from my dead parents.

Don't make me get an ultralite helicopter and become anti-communist batman.

That's a stupid comparison.

This is some serious bait.

>everyone on the internet is a loser just like me!
>mfw losers will actually believe this in order to relate to others

Do I smell a new pasta being cooked?

[spoiler]Wouldn't throwing me out of a helicopter violate your NAP?[spoiler]

Not him, but it actually isn't. Marx is one of those stupid reductionist mental cripples who think everything can be boiled down to a single issue.

>Nazis: it's RACE
>Marx: it's CLASS

etc

I'm a peace loving, moderate democratic-socialist.

And I will not hesitate to carve a swath of blood through the dregs of humanity to make my will heard.

So if you're capable of inserting defective psychology, I can too, right? Just making sure I can point out Pinochet was secretly jealous because he had a small dick

Killing commies is always self-defense by default.
Even communist babies.

How did they die?

That's an overestimate as to what Marx means. He's not a monist in that regard.

Technically, only one of them is dead, the other one was just a sperm donor.

The mother died of cancer when I was 19.

Point is, dialectical materialism is at best an incomplete tool, and at worst an oversimplification which will render the user incapable of proper historical understanding.

Sultan's titles:
Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!
O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are you, that can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil excretes, and your army eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make subjects of Christian sons; we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother.
You Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw your own mother!
So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!
- koshovyi otaman Ivan Sirko, with the whole Zaporozhian Host.

>Another Marx thread from the VOCAL MINORITY
Into the helicopter you go

>I'll le throw you out of a le helicopter you le fugging gommie le XDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!1

What about eating communist babies?

Fuck off leftypol

You are the cancer ruining this board

le edgy XD

>VOCAL MINORITY
>marx thread
Marx, a German, also detailed the 10 essential tenets of communism, namely:
1. Central banking system.

Not an argument.

You didn't make an argument you fucking retard

Fun fact, these are actually bannable posts.

If enough people dogpile report them, it's more or less a guaranteed "quality of posts" three day ban.

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It's even funnier when you read it in the original.

>Baвилoнcький ти кyхap, мaкeдoнcький кoлecник, єpycaлимcький бpoвapник, oлeкcaндpiйcький кoзoлyп, Beликoгo тa Maлoгo Єгиптy cвинap, вipмeнcький злoдiюкa, тaтapcький caгaйдaк, кaм’янeцький кaт, в ycьoгo cвiтy й пiдcвiтy блaзeнь, caмoгo гacпидa oнyк i нaшoгo хyя кpюк. Cвинячa ти мopдa, кoбилячa cpaкa, piзницький coбaкa, нeхpeщeний лoб, мaтip твoю вйoб.

so the dudes an archmage,

was this suppose to weaken the arguement?

>pretending to be a tough guy on Veeky Forums

Daily reminder that the Soviets invented cancer treatment

You don't own a helicopter you cuck.

Nigga you think I won't do it.

Meet me some motherfucking where.

Okay pussy, meet me at the Taco Bell on Parthenia in Northridge.

soviets
>850 000 year old proto mongols
cancer treatment
>cannabis

yeah real fkn nice

Why would you do that when there's a local taco place a block away?

>asking an user to meet somewhere instead if flying his 'helicopter' to that user

Really makes you think, huh.

>/leftypol/ also happens to be a Cuckafornian

SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT

We're too busy making money and funding the red states to give a fuck what people like you do

You seem annoyed user.

>making money

You're some of the poorest and dumbest fucks in the nation.

Jej, we are wealthy as fuck, we just spend it all because it's a party here

Blue states get taxed the most, yet we still have the best stuff and most money. It must be sad having to justify big state money when your ideology is laissez faire.

Ouch, pretty rude to attack those less fortunate than you...

>I don't understand salary/cost ratio

Doesn't surprise a leftist imbecile has no clue about economics.

>your ideology is laissez faire

Wrong.

No no you see, only poor weaklings need to penny pinch and be colossal dickbags. In healthy, good states we can afford nice things. We are stronger than you.

>We are stronger than you.
Holy autism

The average Arizonan, Texan, Michigander, Ohioan, Illinoisan, Floridan, etc (you get it by now) can afford more with his paycheck than the average Californian.

In fact the average Californian is an illegal beaner living in a decrepit studio in the barrio with his 10 children and 7 cousins and struggling to get by even with combined income.

>Nogunzonia on suicide watch

You keep going on about dollars and cents like it's what's important. You come across like one of those autistic who views everything ideologically

Californians are objectively happier than the states you listed, deal with it

Its cheaper living in Phoenix fucking sucks.

>everybody in the world wants to live in SF

It's expensivity is objective proof it's a great place to live

>sucks
>cleaner, safer, wealthier, better infrastructure, better job market, better everything

Cali is literally and I mean L I T E R A L L Y third world.

Yet it still objectively sucks because nobody wants to live there.

>San Fagcisco
>only a 7% growth rate

Wow you sure showed me lying Cuckofornian

Success breeds jealousy, my friend

>the cognitive dissonance of being a leftist while simultaneously bragging about living in one of the most inequal states in the country

Really makes you think

It's a lens that's applicable to a lot of history because you'll probably find class struggle everywhere you look, friction in society is usually caused by haves and have-nots. Class-struggle is also broad enough that you can fit a lot of conflicts into it.

That doesn't make all his theories right, and there are other lenses history can be viewed by as well. It's just one of many ways you can categorize stuff, it could also be the history of struggles between ethnicity, etc.

>nobody wants to live there
>one of the highest growth rates in the United States

wew lad!

>being this triggered by the golden state

>TX
>100
into the recycle bin it goes

But you aren't successful, you're poor as fuck, deep in debt and your average IQ is lower than Alabama.

>mfw Californians are so fucking stupid that even with a boatload of smart Asians they still rank near the bottom

>bubble that's going to pop in less than ten years time and amount to nothing

>having a higher unemployment rate than the rust belt

You could make six figures and still live paycheck to paycheck if you blow it all. Lots of people do this, our society in general encourages reckless spending on frivolous things.

You could have a really nice house, a nice car, eat great food, etc, and as a consequence be living paycheck to paycheck. All that means is California is full of people who are really bad at saving money. If you're rating how poor someone is you should examine cost of living and income, whether that also corresponds to Californians will be more useful for your argument.

>bubble that's going to pop
>this coming from someone who lives in tech/real estate bubble: the state

Top jej, stay poor and delusional my friend

>mfw he buys into the /pol/ memes

Not even a spaceship full of pleiadians would pull you out of your snake charmer ways.

>Californians are objectively happier

There have been some interesting studies on measuring happiness, and the fact that you can get two different answers on "Have you had a good life the last ten years?" depending on what the person ate for breakfast or whether the question you asked before was "Have you had a girlfriend lately?"

The context in which the question is asked is generally quite significant to the outcome of the answer. Additionally, day to day happiness (how good you feel on average) can actually be pretty different than what happiness you report in regards to life satisfaction. A rich man might report being happy and satisfied but day-to-day live a very stressful and anxious life.

I'm not necessarily trying to contradict you, Californians could indeed be happier, but "objectively happier" is very hard to measure. You're subjectively happier than the states he listed.

>he doesn't understand how this statistic actually works

It's a comparison of median salaries with median prices you fucking idiot. It doesn't measure real spending.

For example, median salary in Phoenix and LA is roughly the same, but renting or buying real estate is 55% more expensive in LA. In other words you'll be left with less money when you pay for necessities like rent and groceries.

texas ftw

How do Californians still peddle the "everyone wants to live here" meme when in fact it's hordes of Californians moving OUT of the state? Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Washington, Oregon, ALL OF THEM are being flooded by Calicucks escaping their shithole.

how does it feel to be hated by every state in the union

Success breeds jealousy.

>this much delusion

Because actual, objective evidence shows I'm right and fedora-tipping anecdotes are your only weapon.