The Mona Lisa wasn't a well regarded painting until after it was stolen in 1911

It was never truly socialist in practice, and after the night of long knives the "socialist" wing of the party was literally murdered off by the "nationalist" wing.

Though Hitler did institute a few government programs to provide relief to the working poor of Germany (things like "Strength through Joy"), this was mostly done in the greater scheme of building up his ultra-nationalist state, and was done only for the benefit of ethnic Germans. He also had no problem working with international capitalist corporations like IBM, Volkswagen, Standard Oil, IG Farben, Bayer, Deutsche Bergwerks- und Hüttenbau, and probably Disney because I enjoy slandering them, to achieve his nationalist goals.

Despite all his "revolutionary talk", he cared little about Socialist theories in general, and only cared about exploitation of the working class if they were German.

Nationalizing industries isnt socialist at all.

NS is a hybrid of capitalism and socialism with extreme nationalism.

Hitler was right winged, if i recall and he is associated with nazism for obvious reason and thus people think nazism is also right winged

People dropped dead in the late 30s and everyone and everything was covered in shit constantly.

Applicable to all time periods up until about the 1960s apparently.

And North Korea has Democratic Republic in the name too.

>Disney
>le ebin gay baby cartoon maymay

You are now aware that the Disney cartoon artstyle comes directly from the huge numbers of refugee Jewish artists Disney employed in the 1930s and 40s and that they produce dozens of training videos and propaganda films for the Allies throughout the war.

Then some hack 60 years later inexplicably tries to make Walt Disney a Nazi...

This. Bourgeois media only focuses on the executions which happened during his rule, and horrifically downplays his WW2 actions

>Pinochet was fascist

>European colonies in Africa is an example of how capitalism is bad
>women had no rights until very recently
>le left-right being applied universally
>crusades and military jihad are equivalent
>the KKK were mass murderers
>hitler invaded russia in the winter big mistake! le land war! :DD
>Romans literally vomited in vomitoriums at parties
>the renaissance revolutionized european society and finally got it out of the dark ages

I never understood why far lefties think capitalism is bad when it has various shades to it.

The problem with Africa is that they set up laisez faire capitalism before setting up state capitalism- arguably one of the greatest forms of capitalism to aid third world countries.

Case and point- south korea

>Renaissance art was created through the individual genius of the artist and was definitely not mass produced prestige-pieces which was used as decoration rather than actual art

I hate this misconception.

Oh right, like the katyn massacre?

Dark Ages = Era Obscura = Mysterious Ages

You dumb fucking shit. Who the hell knows what went on in Late Antiquity? We have almost no idea.

>>crusades and military jihad are not equivalent
?

>responding to frogposters.

>Case and point- south korea
bbc.com/news/magazine-27189951

South Korea is a shithole.
They are one of the worse example of capitalism in asia because they went completely bonkers with it and are turning into corporate cyberpunk dystopia.

>why is capitalism bad
look up at the BEIC.

quick, get in!

Oh look they are becoming like us. Elderly being discarded.

>Alexander the Great would have given up his empire for Ice-cream

>Almost any theory involving a certain warlike peoples being the descendants of a lost Roman legion.
>Did you know that Rommel said that >insert your home country here< were the best fighters in the world?
>Napoleon was short
>Pyramids were built by slaves

My personal favourite has to be the age expectancy one - people seem to think people in, say, the Middle Ages regarded a person in their 30s as venerable and ancient because they don't realise average life expectancy was pulled down by infant mortality rates.

Stalin was more useful to the USA, so in that sense he was good.

Trotsky was far closer to the ideals of the revolution and the ideology of Lenin. Stalin went beyond pragmatism into outright betrayal of the goals of the Soviet Union.

>Kennedy accidentally said "I am doughnut" in German in his Berlin speech.

>"We have a drink, and slip a bit of money into their hands, and things happen!" he cackles. "Men like to have women around - whether they're old or not, sexually active or not. That's just male psychology."

I can respect this man.

Pre-Marxist socialism was a completely different beast to the socialism we know and love today. Nazis rejected materialism and the doctrine of Marx. They opted for a more 'utopian' view.

Still the labour front was a state wide union under the wing of the government, without the beefstakes uniting the workers the Nazis wouldn't've had such an easy time internally.

That the mongols left because Ögedei died.

>It was actually Brazilians who invented the aeroplane

>He also had no problem working with international capitalist corporations like Volkswagen

Wasn't VW literally made up by Hitler and only became a thing when somebody bothered to save it after the war?

How is this a misconception? The fall of the Weimar Republic was a direct result of the failures of bourgeois liberal democracy

>"Antiquity" actually existed and wasn't a hoax made by Medieval monks

the dap (later nsdap) originated as a party that tried to bait workers away from the social democrats and communists. hence words like socialism and worker in the party name and the red backdrop of the nazi flag. people with actual socialist views in the party were either converted away from it (goebbels), kicked out (strasser) or straight up murdered (rohm, the other strasser)

anyway, here's hitler in a speech in berlin, 16 november 1928:

>That is the aim that the NSDAP has set itself: to lift the terms nationalism and socialism out of their previous meaning. To be national can only mean to be behind your people, and to be socialist can only be to stand up for the right of your people, also externally.

so there you go, the socialism in the party name actually means "fighting for germany", in stark contrast to nationalism which means "also fighting for germany". i don't have a quote ready but there's another speech where he does the same with the word worker: a worker is anyone who is trying to make germany better (by fighting for it!). so the actual name of the nsdap should be the national nationalist german nationalist party

> only cared about exploitation of the working class if they were German.

So he was a nationalist?

gee, I wonder if that's where the name national socialism comes from?

>modern fundamentalists take the bible literally, so it must have been taken even more literally back in the middle ages
>the disciples wrote the gospels because their names are on them
>anything about giordiano bruno, columbus and the shape/placement of the earth
>nazi germany was atheist/leftist/a thing you don't like
>the face of jesus is caesare borgia

But the left always beats the right

Nazi Socialism wasn't a ploy to fool workers, it was based on the Spenglerian concept of Prussian Socialism, spefically to wrestle the word away from Marxist appropriation (in his mind) which can be arguably compared with Corporatist theory. You can argue Hitler betrayed all those ideas but it wasn't purely wordplay to fool the proletariat

Pinochet

The
>only called themselves socialist to ruse people
Meme is the dumbest one I've heard on this site.

Do you people think the German workers were such mongoloids they could be fooled by a name?

Funny how nobody took this bait. Veeky Forums best board.

>Sunnis and Shiites got along until recently, sectarianism is a modern phenomenon
>Jewish-Muslim relations were good and amicable until the creation of Israel

Anything involving warriors raised up to meme levels - Vikings and Spartans and so on.

>Do you people think the German workers were such mongoloids they could be fooled by a name?

well, no, because they weren't, at least not when it came to voting. hitler did however succeed in baiting enough workers to come to his speeches and heckle him to acquire a reputation for controversy that got him newspaper articles.

hitler admits in mein kampf to that the party imagery, posters etc in 1920 were designed to intentionally bait the proletariat, and the name change occurred around the same time so i find a pragmatic motivation more likely than an ideological one

Modern American teaching
The further right for some reason means more authoritarian
I remember one textbook i had in grade school have the Left right line go like this

Comunism-socialism-Modern Liberalism-Centrists-Conservatives-Classical Liberals-Monarchists-Facism

It was absolutely restarted. Children should be taught that politics is more of a 2 axis chart rather than a linear left right distinction

>the KKK were mass murderers
No one claims this you retarded /pol/tard.

Muslims, jews and christians got along perfectly well at and around 1000 A.D.

It seems like portraying the great people of America's past as racists/sexists/bigots has become an obsession at this point.

or maybe it's just the fading away of the previous american obsession of pretending everyone who makes a lot of money is a moral giant

Who said Disney was a moral giant? No one regards him as great for his philosophical outlook, they regard him as great for what he built.

Portraying him as some Hitleresque evil is just the fucking inverse of pretending he's a saint.

>Portraying him as some Hitleresque evil

who even said that itt? disney was just a bit of a shit. the actual comment that triggered all this indignation was just that hitler liked disney, not even the other way around.

>it's so dumb to just put things on a line!
>my solution: two lines

The car was made, but really the way the funding was set up was a bit of a scam.

If I had to name a big, easy one:

>THEY ONLY LIVED UNTIL LIKE 30 BACK THEN!!!!!

Fucking christ. Averages and Infant Mortality are too high a concept for 90% of people, even people who seem generally smart in other subjects.

Bit of a scam? The people paid for a vacation and car but basically all the money went to military preparations.

Even had that not been occurring, the funding basis was dubious.

Also: Miss one payment? Hahaha. Ha. No car for you.

Not that user, but how is this bait?
Hitler was legally appointed by the president, legally suspended civil rights, was legally empowered by parliament, and was legally confirmed as Führer by popular vote. How is that not a failure of liberal democracy?

>Actually, Medieval Europe enjoyed higher prosperity and population than either ancient Rome or Renaissance/Reformation/Enlightenment Europe ever did.
This is a meme who people who think they're historians constantly spout. The Dark Ages were dark if you look in the 'right' centuries ergo 6th-8th.

>women have been historically oppressed by men in the most brutal and inhumane ways up until the modern era

Maybe in a few ancient Greek city states but other wise this is completely bullshit and yet I've heard so many feminist fucks repeat this in real life.

They think most women were locked up and chained in the basement, raped and humiliated daily by men until the women's rights movement or something.

Fucking hell.

"libertarianism has never been tried"

what's so immediately objectionable in that line? Looks fine to me.

if you kill your enemies, they win, so the leftists still won

>Pyramids were built by slaves
How was slavery in egypt and how many did they have? Does the misconception of the pyramids come from that they started to use them more heavily in later times and then we just apply the same ideas to thousands of years earlier or what's the deal here?

The misconception comes probably from Romans and the Bible since Romans loved using slaves for everything and Bible says Jews were slaves in Egypt.

KYS

Tankie pls

nah. the weimar democracy did not directly produce the nazi regime. the breakdown occurred before hitler. when a president blatantly abuses the constitution and names a cabinet by decree, therefore rendering parliamentary elections irrelevant, that's already not a democracy. late weimar republic was an authoritarian state ruled by a small clique that hired hitler to mop up the remains of a parliamentary state, only for adolf to hijack their regime in a semi-violent way that was often blatantly illegal and only made legal retroactively (like the hilarious "it was legal to execute people without a trial yesterday" decree introduced after the night of the long knives).

hitler peaked at 37% support and was on the way down as the crisis that brought him there abated. it's only an invitation to share power with the already existing authoritarian regime of hindenburg, von papen & co. that prevented the nazi party from slowly fading into the democracy
>elections!
>nazism

and not

>democracy
>conservative authoritarian regime
>conservative authoritarian regime employing a populist figurehead
>populist authoritarian regime

Fuck I need to read about Weimar more.
Feeling pretty ignorant right now desu

>Soviets won WW2 with human wave tactics

Well to be fair they at least opened WW2 with human wave tactics. Finnish machine gunners went off their rockers from having to shoot god knows how many soviets just rushing at them.

And that's exactly why they lost that war (it's down to semantics whether taking Karelia and calling it quits counts as losing, but they obviously didn't win as hard as they hoped) - tactics like can't achieve shit during the age of widespread use of machineguns and mechanised warfare. And Soviets learned from that mistake.
The fact that some people think that it was even possible to win a war by doing shit like that against the most mechanised and well led army in Europe baffles me.

>Wants to send my grandparents to gulag
What a nice lad. Only good communist is a dead one.

Not him but I have heard multiple times people comparing KKK and Islamic State for example.

How about 3d?

>against the most mechanised and well led army in Europe baffles me.

German army relied on horses for logistics so it was hardly the most mechanised in Europe. Bongs were more advanced.

Well that is plain fucking wrong.

The Islamic State is no way as pussy as KKK.

"How could he send Opa and Oma away for things they did in the war? They were just following orders! That bastard!"

That's weird logic, one of those things doesn't make the other wrong. Germans did use horses for their logistics (same as Soviets) and for transporting large parts of their army, but their implementation of mechanised divisions that could quickly concentrate their forces, break through the enemy lines and encircle the enemy was absolutely unrivalled (at least during first years of the war).
Brits can hardly be compared to them, the scale of their operations and geographic specifics were way too different.

>"Holy" "Roman "Empire"

i think clickbait articles are more to blame for this. hard to blame them when the titles are: Average age of cavemen was 30 years old, says Harvard anthropologist.

Why do you hate workers

Chile isn't a right-autocracy any more m8