I think actually you're going to be doing a lot of standing still with that malaise-era turd

I think actually you're going to be doing a lot of standing still with that malaise-era turd.

>simulated air scoops

>not owning a 1978 Ws6 W72 with the Borg Warner 4 speed.
Shit bait desu

>Mini Cooper S switched from top to front mounted intercooler
>kept the scoop
Wtf

Shitting on late 70's/early 80's cars for being slow is low hanging fruit. It's a given, it's not their fault, blame the gubmint for enacting emissions regulations that were too strict without giving anyone time to engineer something that complied with them while still making any power. All they could do was throw on a 20 cfm pellet type catalytic converter that gobbled up 50 horsepower, lower compression, and soften out the cam. Pontiac also siamesed their exhaust ports, don't get a 301. There was very minimal CAD to help them at the time, nor any good or cheap fuel injection systems. Carburetors are hard to make be both fuel efficient and make power.

Find something else to shit on them for, "hurr muh slow 70's shitbox" is just annoying now.

>without giving anyone time
Foreign brands managed. It was only Detroit that thought they could bully away the legislation by being as lazy and stubborn as possible about it, and it came back to bite them in the ass because they completely missed to engineer proper solutions in an acceptable time frame. As late as 1980 Detroit's technology was still complete crap, and it only showed real mentionworthy improvements after 1985.

And foreign brands still made much less power. In 1982 a 305 4 barrel Camaro made 145hp and 240lb-ft, when the closest comparable Japanese car was a Celica Supra that made 145hp and 155lb-ft.

Regardless, my point still stands. Everyone knows they're slow compared to cars from today and it's not the car's fault, plus it's stupid easy to drop a different engine in them. Shit on them for something else if you're going to shit on them.

A Supra with 2.8L, not 5.0L. Detroit was just LAZY.

nah, fuck off. the big 3 had every opportunity to get on board with the new way of doing things.

Ford didn't call this guy back till 1984.

>>Mini Cooper S
Opinion discarded.

>new way of doing things.
You mean the government bending them over
Just remember Roger Smith was the worst CEO that Gm ever had and that explains the 80's and 90's

>You mean the government bending them over
You mean the inability to adapt

My dad got a ride in a Lincoln Mark IV when he was in college. Comfy as fuck car, but it was a dog performance-wise and he said it kept stalling out in the middle of the road.

Read a book nigger the EPA kept moving goalposts.

But doesn't that make you want to cruise down the freeway with Van Halen in the 8-track?

"It wasn't our fault that the government saddled us with a bunch of regulations that made us non-competitive for years or that gas prices shot through the roof."

-- Lee Iaccoca

>Read a book nigger the EPA kept moving goalposts.
FOR EVERYONE

>that made us non-competitive for years
FOR GODS SAKE THEY WERE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE

They had to lower compression in engines because TEL was being phased out of gasoline.

This contributed greatly to low power.

>nah, fuck off. the big 3 had every opportunity to get on board with the new way of doing things.

And they did, with TBI until they could get MPI to work good enough for a production car.

Also consider that both fuel crisis ruined the taste of performance for the American car buyer.

>
>Van Halen
Casual

Try Winger, Foreigner, Ratt, or Scorpions.

>>that made us non-competitive for years
>FOR GODS SAKE THEY WERE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE
He means with Japscrap retard

>Winger
>Ratt
>late 70s

Jokes on you, i wouldn't buy a 78 thunderbird until the mid-90s.

Japscrap that had to comply with the same regulations. Not Japan's fault that Detroit were spoiled by excess and never thought to produce a decent compact car.

>thunderbird
FIREBIRD FUCK ME STOP NAMING YOUR CARS BIRDS

stupid yuropoor do you even have birds on your impoverished continent?

The US automobile industry has never been good at small cars. As far back as the 1930s, they were importing Austins and Bantams here for that market.

You didn't see the difference in torque figures there?

>Japscrap that had to comply with the same regulations
Japscrap was already set up to deal with emissions better.
Detroit was coming off the-then golden age of performance.
It takes time to figure out how to meet EPA requirements and emissions started in the early 70's.
Without much time to figure it out, all they knew how to do was just (de)tune the engine so that it sent out the lesser evil of emissions.
Surprising that 5 to 7 liter V8s are poorly equipped to be clean.

Sucks to be them, life doesn't always deal you fair cards.

We ate them all because we couldn't afford steak.

>Not knowing about the glorious Corvair.

God you are retarded

No shit, but don't sit here and pretend Detroit had a thumb up their ass for 8 years doing nothing to figure out emissions.

The opposite is true, under the hood of a mid-late 70s car is a plethora of equipment solely to deal with emissions.
They tried almost everything before switching to fuel injection.

>bloo bloo bloo so lazy no FI muh luddite carbs etc.
The lack of fuel injection was because Americans didn't want it.
FI was tried in the late 50's by both GM and Chrysler. People bought those cars and ripped off the FI only to put a carburetor on it.
Blame the American public.

So basically in your country everyone was retarded?

The best part was that the MPG of cars also went down due to gear ratios at higher RPM.
Hey even if you burned more gas you could still get a pass on the idle test.

Oh I know. The first gen Tempest is one of my favorite cars. But despite the innovations of it and its sibling cars they still turned them into midsize body on frame solid rear axle barges three years later.

The cost to fix a first generation technology are astronomical compared to a well known and simple technology if you could even find someone who could fix it.

Carburetors surpassed FI until MPI was standardized anyway.

>not understanding the greatness of carbs

You have never owned an older car have you

FI was such a new technology in the 50s that it probably didn't work that well.

Ironically, cars with the original, unmodified FI 383 V8 are highly collectible today.

Blame Nader and his bullshit book for that, he made GM executives too scared to try innovative designs.

I doubt there's more than 1 or 2 examples of a complete FI system for those early cars.
It's a shame desu

'S why they fired John DeLorean. He was too real for them.

>Comrade John, your ideas are too radical for this establishment
>please turn in your gun and badge.

But Nader's book wasn't out for another two years when the Tempest was forced back in line.

One automobile magazine in the early 60s complained about the blandness of American car designs and the extreme conservativism and resistance to any sort of change.

Gm was scared that the tempest would suck the market for the corvair. The car was redone into the Le mans to change the market.