Hadiths

It gets a bit tricky there, basically everything is more or less open to interpretation in the Hadith so different scholars an schools of thoughts deal with it differently, but anything in the Quran is considered right regardless of time.

The hadiths appeared at a time where spirituality was tied up in one's spiritual teacher and communal leader. Before the mid-8th century the idea of Sunnah didn't particularly mean Muhammad'd life and actions but the righteous justice of one's predecessors, and in the case of the caliphs which initially saw itself as an office that had come to replace prophethood itself as the one true authority in the world this meant the preceding caliphs, specifically the Umayyad family.

However, there was dissent in the form of revolts for the Alid/Abbasid houses which claimed descent from Muhammad, and from a growing class of scholar-bureaucrats who followed teachers who traced their spiritual authority to Muhammad. Both were attempts to circumvent the authoritative claims of the Umayyads by tracing their preferred spiritual leadership through blood or through sunnah to a prophet who began to grow in importance.

The Hadith are the result of the latter group, who came to be known as Sunni, to create a Sunnah for their various schools of thought through the edited collections of stories and anecdotes about Muhammad and those of the first two Muslim generations deemed worthy and righteous, and which exploded in popularity in the previous era as a wave of converts were hungry for explanation and insight into the Quran.

>"hey guys I'm a beautiful example to humanity"
>"shut up muhammad"
>"guys, look it's even written here!"
>"you totally wrote that down yourself muhammad"
>"no, god did, I swear"

lmao

So why don't more people just become Quranist?

Most of these "claims" are ridiculous, contradict the Quran and were invented by people who sought money (reporting Hadiths could get you richh at the time). They should be disregared.

Most people don't do much independent thinking, they just follow what their parents did. Besides, the Quran isn't entirely complete (for example, it tells you that you should pray 5 times a day, but doesn't explain how you should cleanse yourself before prayer or even how to perform a prayer).

The hadith are as toxic to islam as the talmud is to Jews and as their traditions are to popery.

For the same reason they came about - Mesopotamian religion is tied up in the idea of having your own rabbi and community distinct from the society at large.

The Hadith satisfies this by allowing someone to become a spiritual leader through a student-teacher chain that goes back to Muhammad himself while also providing a huge framework to come up with laws and practices that allow his followers to form a unique religious tradition.

It has the same role as the idea of imamate for Shia Muslims, Papal authority for Catholicism or church denomination for Protestantism.

>this meme

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stop trying to justify 9 year old marriage ur mad

it's already known to muslims that the real marriage age was 21

>Why are Hadiths considered so important?
Because muslims can't rape nine years old if there is no hadith.

Because although the Koran claims to be clearly written and complete, it is neither of these things so early muslims had to rely on non-Koranic material (the Hadiths) to fill in the gaps.

The actual reason is that the quran literally doesn't make sense without them. As in much of it is completely incomprehensible if you don't have a background understanding of what the fuck is going on. Hadith is that background.

e.g.
>quran: when he went to the thing he talked to her about the stuff he was thinking

What the fuck does that even mean?

Now suppose some elder Arab whispers is your ear "psst, kid, read this" and hands you a book called "the official hadith" and tells you to turn to page 945. And on page 945 it says "Muhammed went to the mosque and talked to Aisha there about how he was going to give her anal without lube that night because thinking about her virgin asshole was driving him crazy." Given that information, does the above line make more sense now?

genuine question: if Mohammed is merely a man & the messenger to God's word, why is it forbidden to depict him in image? Why is the whole caliphate ordeal a thing? Is it like how the Pope is in Catholicism?

If it's to avoid idolization or worship of him, isn't it having the opposite affect? The passionate reactions & attitude towards it seems like something normally reserved for the divine. I've read only the first half of the Qur'an, but so far it seems to strongly emphasize the dedication & love for God and only God. Why is there so much to do with Mohammed? Shouldn't all focus be towards worship & servitude of God?

Sorry if this is a bit of a complex question, just that so far in reading the Qur'an it seems like people shouldn't really put much thought at all into Mohammed & only focus on God (according to what I've read so far).

Well the reason is that religion is a mental illness.

Image making was grouped together with idolatry, and the aversion was more universal than specific for Muhammad. As the Middle East acclimated to imagery in more modern times that loosened a bit until sacred images became profane.

The Caliphate started out as a way to directly usurp the divine authority of a prophet by declaring the end of prophetic mission altogether and the beginning of a holy empire. As people came to hate the new empire and pine for superior moral leadership they split into one group that believed a more holy family should have taken over, and another group which usurped religious authority from the office and let it drift increasingly towards traditional forms of kingship.

Having the opposite effect was the point all along, as the growing acceptance of secular imagery in society led Islamists in modern times to enshrine Muhammad and other elements as inviolably sacred. This has more to do with modern nation-state politics than theology.

euphoric

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Cause the Quran is so unclear about everything that they need a backup text to get the context, even then the Sirah literature is critically much more historical than these hadith's because they're written long after Islam and has anachronistic features

ask them then to explain all the unexplainable passages in the Quran without the hadith's they have to use eisegesis, plus it's a heresy in Islam you would be killed for it. Also no sunnah means no muslim way of life.

Here is your (you)

The Hadith were attempts at explaining these so-called unexplainable passages, and even then can't explain every single thing either. They've only become necessary because some centuries after Muhammad died it suddenly became very important to people that there should be a Muslim way of life.

And maybe there shouldn't.

it's painstaking work also reading it all, it has so many doublets, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets of the same damn story in nearly every volume of a single hadith collection, sometimes it's the irrelevant and weird like talking about Muhammad's armpit hair, it makes 1st Chronicles genealogy a rollercoaster ride.