Are some civilisations objectively better than others?
People like to shittalk certain civilisations, African, Islamic, and Indian especially, for not producing anything of real global value, or for being primitive, or degenerate, does this make them less important?
What is the criteria for a civilisation to be important in the grand scheme of things?
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How could something be "objectively" better?
>objectively
How is this even judged? A certain brand of autist rails against moral relativism but how can anybody not view something as complex as cultures, societies, civilisations through their own personal lens?
>Bulgarian Empire, Russian Empire & Qing China at least not mid-tier
>Soviet Union shit-tier instead of at least low-tier
>Republic of Venice, Japanese Empire & Macedonian Empire top-tier instead of mid-tier
whoever made this list sure loved their memes
History is not a game of Civilization so I don't think any less of societies which didn't achieve a high score. Human creativity is valuable no matter where it appears, and if there was more research into non-Western art and culture we might not longer automatically assume Western culture is superior.
Brazilian Empire is top tier
In order to be the best Civ, you must be [spoiler]American
Indian civilization was on par with Europe, MENA, and East Asia
Barbarian savages!
16.605 T BRICS - Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa
15.867 T OIC - Organisation of Islamic Cooperation
13.716 T EU - European Union
24.152 T V - The Five Eyes; United Kingdom, United States of America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
Nominal GDP in USD trillions, 2016 IMF.
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>HRE
>failed state tier despite lasting 1000 years
These are the people unironically posting on Veeky Forums.
>Prussia
>started out as a tiny duchy
>defeated the combine force of all other European "powers"
>Frederick II. was arguably one of the smartest leaders ever
>not god tier
>red: civilized countries
>blue: semi-civilized
>purple: capable at best only of imitating the traits of civilization
>green: don't make me laugh
>Kingdom of Jerusalem
Thanks for the keks joo
The United States should be in God Tier.
>muh Holy Land
>British Empire is god-tier
>Han/Tang/Song/Ming all listed as one mid-tier society
>All Islamic Caliphates grouped together and rated low-tier because "muh musleems r bad"
>Kingdom of Jerusalem
wew lad
lol implying objectivity is real
>British Empire:
Fuck off Anglo, and take those human leach scum with you.
Tell me one (1) good thing Britian ever did that wasn't about making money.
>Inb4 slavery.
It had slaves up till 1958, they just called them different names.
Sorry this list is wrong
The only God tier civilisations were
Romans
Greeks
Chinese
Indians
Persians
Who the fuck makes shit like this?
Gupta empire was literally one of the Golden ages of the Indian subcontinent even more so the mughals.
Quan and chin that low.
I can literally smell /pol/, yessh!
>Tell me one (1) good thing Britian ever did that wasn't about making money.
Not that guy, but lots of science. The British empire is the source of a shitload of important inventions.
>I can literally smell /pol/, yessh!
I doubt /pol/ would put nazi germany in shit tier.
Is everything which you don't agree with "LE POL BOOGEYMAN"?
He is simply incapable of pooing in loo; leave him be
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
lmfao
>kingdom of jerusalem
el oh el
>no Achaemenid Empire
>no Sasanian Empire
>no Safavid Empire
>no Samanid Empire
>no Maurya Empire
>Persians
>Relevant
ALSO: Ancient Persians literally created these ideas as a lot of historian argue:
>foundationalism / essentialism
>notion of progress
>transcendental good and evil
I hate to break it to you, but whenever you think of these concepts within your narrative, you are our bitch.
Finally, there would be no Christianity without Zoroastrianism.
Light equivalent to good and darkness to evil = Zoroastrian origin
Day of Judgment = Frashokereti
Jesus as Savior = Saoshyant
>you are our bitch
>our
>Finally, there would be no Christianity without Zoroastrianism.
>Light equivalent to good and darkness to evil = Zoroastrian origin
I actually don't have a reaction image that accurately conveys how hard I am laughing IRL right now, so you'll have to use your imagination. It should suffice to say that you have destroyed my sides almost as hard as Alexander destroyed your civilization.
Fuck off. Light equals good because the Sun grew our food.
>as hard as Alexander destroyed your civilization.
Neither Alexander nor Arabs destroyed my civilization. For example, most of the contributions during the Islamic Golden Age came from Persians from Greater Khorasan area of Greater Iran (e.g., Avicenna, Al-Khwarizmi, Rhazes, Al-Farabi, Khayyam, etc. all came from this area).
Mongols set us back, but we were able to reform thanks to Safavid Empire. We never reached the same intellectual glory, but we preserved our myths and respect for our ancestors (e.g., we still read our Zoroastrian epic Shahnameh and poetry from a lot of Sufi masters -- we also practice our Zoroastrian holidays Nowruz, Yadla, and Mehregan much to the chagrin of Arabs who still call us pagans).
Why don't you actually read a book about country's history before speaking out of your ass, you dumbass edgy teenage asshole?
I have a lot of respect for many civilizations, including Ancient Rome. I like Seneca a lot.
>we were able to reform
we were able to reassert ourselves*
It took awhile to recover from the devastation of the Mongol invasions unlike Alexander or Arab invasions.
Also, Alexander held a lot of respect for Persian culture. He even married a Persian, dimwit. I wish he didn't burn Persepolis' library though... Granted, after the Seleucid Empire, the Sassanian Empire emerged, and they were better than the Achaemenids, imo.
I'm sorry bro I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I understand it must be hard living in a country that has been conquered and humiliated more times than just about anyone outside of the Balkans. Especially on a board like Veeky Forums where you must be constantly reminded of how irrelevant your history is in the grand scheme of things.
>irrelevant your history is in the grand scheme of things.
Obviously, you are an ignorant teenager who doesn't take the time to read encyclopedias or books. If my history were irrelevant, then why were your greatest writers, from Goethe to Nietzsche highly inspired by my country's writers? Look here:
en.wikipedia.org
Why don't you stop talking out of your ass?
Also, New Persian is not different from Middle Persian, which was used in Sasanian times. We still have a strong link to our nation's past through our rituals (e.g. Nowruz and Yalda), literature (Shahnameh), and etc. Very few people on history, except Arabs, think lowly of Persians.
Go fuck yourself, ignorant asshole. Even now we have plenty of great artists like Abbas Kiarostami, who the acclaimed French film director - Michael Haneke - called the best film director of the 20th century. You can go fuck yourself.
Also, look up Richard Foltz. He is a specialist in the history of Iran who is currently alive. He would most certainly disagree with you Iran is irrelevant.
Richard Frye also held high esteem for Iran, but he's dead now.
I call them the "two Richards of Persia".
Also, the country has been called "Iran" since pre-Islamic Sasanian times. In Sassanid empire it was called "Iran shahr" which means land of the "Aryans". Persia is just the Greco-Roman word for Iran.
>Kingdom of Jerusalem
>God tier
>Soviet Union lower than fucking japs
You're right. You can't be a failed state if you're not a state.
I fixed it
>Empires
>good
Aztec empire was pretty cool.
>Mongol Empire in God Tier
kill yourself
>Kingdom of Jerusalem
>god tier
produced nothing, remembered for nothing
the Crusades did more damage to Christianity than help.
You could not be more wrong if you tried
All civilizations are doomed to fail.
Greatness breeds jealousy
Eat shit, stagnant roofed scum. Tent people will rape your grandchildren
Maya civilization is more impressive or on par with the Aztecs. Incas should be there with the Aztecs as well.
>God Tier
>Brit shit and Incompetence circle jerk
>shit tier Prussia
Fucking brits, every time.
It's a pseudo Muslim highly doubt it's pol
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Butt hurt slav detected.
I'm a butthurt Iranian and I probably would've posted the same thing, tbf
if there is any objective metric by which to measure a civilization i don't think it would be 'contribution' or 'value' but 'sustainability'
>Anglo intensifies
Scandinavia still no 1.
Not even a scandi
>Kingdom of Jerusalem
>God Tier
Did /pol/ make this chart?
Thanks for the laugh anyway.
>polish lithuanian commonwealth
>top tier
Hol up
*makes pierogi*
so uh
*curses Russia*
you be sayin
*rides pegasus cavalry*
I can call
*plays witcher*
liberum veto and shit?
t. Janusz of Masovia, 15th son, no land, no money, nobleman
>Kingdom of Jerusalem
>God tier
O im laffin
modern civilizations are inherently better than ancient ones what with the better technology and standards of living.
HOL UP
drinks vodka
What youse tryin' to say is
puts on track suit
Get sum of that you saying that
posts winged hussar pics
Hol up so u be sayin is
squats
SO U BE SAYIN
steals car
SO HOL UP U BE SAYIN
takes EU welfare
AAAYYYOOO SO U BE SAYIN
commits highest percent of crime in UK
WE WAS SZLACHTA AN KURWAAAAA
>Ottoman Empire
>Only mid-tier
Haram.
Why is Rashidun at low tier?
feels good being anglo
Late post, but Prussia wasn't a civilization. Prussia was a hugely successful kingdom that gave birth to an extremely powerful nation, but civilization wise it wasn't as great as say Britain, which colonized and created the anglo-sphere. Unfortunately it isn't even as "great" as what the Spanish Empire was at its height. With that said, I don't think it should count as a civilization, because "Prussian civilization" already has strong links and implications that it is German civilization.