Why do you cucks hated communism so much?

Whenever someone brings up communism you classcucks reply with [COLAPSE] Have you cucks even read Das Kapital or the communist manifesto? If you did you would know non of that was true communism as it has never been tried.

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how can communism collapse if it never existed in the first place? checkmate, atheists.

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I don't OP. I just think contemporary leftists need to move on from the idea of factory men, boiler suits and recreating the Bolshevik revolution.

We need a Kapital 2.0 or a new Lenin.

>all these classcucks calling state capitalism 'communism'

>all these [COLLAPSE] calling state-[COLLAPSE] 'collapse'

state capitalism is an oxymoron

Or you can also call it degenerate worker state. That's another accepted term in your pseudo-religion.

dont you realise that communism only works on paper not in real life. The way marx says it is an idealogy. an ideal world. Real people arent like that. most when they get power wont let go. u also forget about skilled jobs like lawyers and doctors. dont they deserve extra pay

>unironic capitalcucks ITT

kill yourselves neckbeards

>leftybooru filename

>cuck
oh, I'm supposed to take you seriously now>

Look famm my family is Cuban. I dated a girl for a few years whose parents were from Russia.

Having spoken first hand to people who spent 10,20 even 30 years living under communism the only conclusion I can come up with is that its miserable and shitty. Theres a reason people would rather build a raft out burnt out cars and navigate Shark infested waters to try to reach South Florida. Theres a reason everyone is happy as fuck in all those USSR collapse photos from Berlon. In fact the only people I've met who support communism are pseudo intellectual white boys on college who would be the first ones to get their shit pushed in in a communist country.


>muh communism hasn't been tried before
Shut up. Just stop. You are literally retarded and butthurt if you think this is true.

literally everyone who actually lived in communist/socialist country will say it was miserable. Only the ex members of the party will claim it was good.

Marx also understood history more than anyone here.

>falling for the historical determinism meme

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He had the base idea for how the conflict might have looked, but the classes were all wrong. History has been a struggle between the regular peaceful life of people and the state.

This the worst meme because all those dudes were working TOWARD communism.

None of them ever once said "our country is now communism"

So you're admitting that to achieve communism you need to kill a bunch of innocents?

Serbia was and will always be a shithole, though.
If the shit smelt better under Tito, doesn't make it any less shit

>not reeeeal capitalism!!!

>implying the kulaks were innocent

You could literally say that about the whole world. If the shit smelt better under capitalism, it's still shit. That's a pedantic and asinine argument you autist slut

>wanting to own your farm
>a crime

Communism as described by Marx cannot truly exist because a society lacking any de facto classes as well as lacking a state isn't exactly feasible.

Not to mention the fact that there is more to human society than "class struggle"

Of course not. Does the French Revolution prove that you need to kill a lot of innocents to get to liberalism?

Of course.

>muh true form
Every time Communism has tried to be implemented it failed miserably and cost millions of lives or the "true" form only lasted less than a generation. The only semi successful communist country i can think of is Yugoslavia and even that wasn't "muh true form"

Definitely not, because Great Britain did it completely on accident once the Corn Laws were repealed.

Oswald Spengler understood history better. Marx was just writing some stupid fanfic with Engels.

me on the right

Not at all. Countries have become democratic and capitalist without a drop of blood.

They were living under communist regimes

If there's a state then it isn't communism. Hell, some believe the USSR aren't properly socialist, because the government controls the economy rather than the workers.

If the American right is to believed, a nation has become a full blown communist state without a drop of blood either.

man I sure love socialist saturdays

Please show me this country that became communist without a drop of blood.

Well they're stupid because they're confusing all totalitarianism with communism. In my view, we've become corpratist or cronyist, and continually blame our problems on free trade and lack of regulation when none of that exists because politicians are so prone to euphemism and misleading language. No free trade agreements should be more than half a page, if any pages at all.

I was memeing, friend.

The joke is that Republicans keep saying Obama turned America into a communist state.

Literally "someone unrelated to you said this so your entire point is invalid"

>Why do you cucks hated communism so much?

Because of that.

The point is, countries have become capitalist without a drop of blood shed while literally every communist country in the world has had blood shed only to fail at achieving "true communism"

I honestly don't even know what your post had to do with mine.

The reason no socialist/Communist countries ever form without bloodshed is because socialist theory inherently antagonizes one group of people. That group of people also tend to be the most powerful people, with the military and police at their command. Capitalist "revolutions" usually work in favor for the ruling group of people, so they usually just let it happen.

Its only works on organism with no cognitive individuality like most hive insects.

Which one?

>62 million

Lmao this nigga

Full communism is the most individualist system conceived, because it ensures free ethical expression in the absence of external coercive forces

USSR, Turkey (multiple times) East Germany, Poland, Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, UK and many, many more.

No capitalism is individualism because its all about you not the fucking collective.

>gommies actually believe this

Capitalism is literally USE YOUR OWN IDEAS TO MAKE IT BIG DUDE the economic system so its the most individualistic system ever conceived on this planet.

and guess what. it works. because some people are more talented at things than other people. believe it or not people aren't a hiveminded pre-programmed species like bees or ants

>communists start a civil war
>they lose
>foreign communists try to annex my country and send my grandparents into a camp
>fail at it
Communists are the true cucks.

I know I am splitting hairs here, but the NAZI party was not communist. In fact, fascism is the polar opposite of Marxism as one is far right and the other is far left respectively.

Nazis were just Commies with Racism.

Yeah, Pfizer, Benz, and Fokker are so communist.

England fought a fucking civil war to build liberalism. Turkey had a violent revolution. Romania and the Czech Republic wouldn't even be independent states of their sovereignty wasn't forged through violence.

I'm sure sweatshop laborers in Bangladesh agree that capitalism preserves their individual autonomy really well

Not at all. Did they give control of industry to the workers?

the liberals in the English civil war (the Levellers) lost though, they were barely in the playing. Liberalism didn't actually start in England until after the Corn Laws were repealed. The rest was a slow build in that direction.

Marxism would just be another irrelevant XIXth century philosophy like Husserlian phenomenology or the entire works of Afrikan Spir if it wasn't for retarded activists and revolutionaries who think that the works of a XIXth century Jewish intellectual should serve as guidelines for a remodelling of the entire social and physical world through political action.

And the reason why I hate communism is because everytime this remodeling fails, they don't even have the courage to say "I'm sorry". They just say "It's never been tried correctly, next time it will work".

I blame the USSR, had the Russian revolution never happened Communism would've ended up as just another meme ideology.

Sorry for being a little bit off, they were more corpratist/fascist, but they definitely weren't too far from communists/socialists on the state control vs. freedom spectrum.

>And the reason why I hate communism is because everytime this remodeling fails, they don't even have the courage to say "I'm sorry". They just say "It's never been tried correctly, next time it will work".
Because the modern day communists (except for Stalinists) never wanted an alternative before?

>Hitler
>"Socialist"

Using the right/left dichotomy or the 'scale' model for ideology is inherently incorrect.

Nice infograph, leftypol.

Capitalists had to follow a very strict state guideline thus not making it a free market.

Of course, speaking from 2016 it's easy to judge past attempts at achieving communism and say "well, that was not what we wanted". It's like the whole thing with "socialism of the 21st century in Venezuela". I like this example because I'm old enough to remember all left-wing intelligentsia praising Hugo Chávez 10, 15 years ago. Guys like Noam Chomsky, Tariq Ali, David Harvey, they all supported the policies of the Bolivarian Revolution as they were going on. Now you don't hear they talk about Venezuela anymore. I'm sure in 10, 20 years, everyone will say that Venezuela wasn't real socialism, that no one actually wanted those policies to be enacted etc.

For example, you criticize "Stalinism". But some of the policies that characterize Stalinism, like forced collectivization of agriculture, came from Trotsky. Actually, Stalin was a moderate compared to that Jew, who wanted not only collectivization of agricultural labour, but militarization of industrial labour. Of course, now Trotskyists pretend this never happened and just present themselves as "good commies who dindu nuffin".

Under communism you have to do whatever "the people" want, if they decree that all white males must wear the chastity cage you will be forced to do so.

If I cannot evade being cucked I would rather be cucked by someone like Donald Trump who believes in America and believes in Freedom rather than some whiny neurotic SJW.

Scandinavia used to have socialism, you know, from 1930-1986 (when CIA shot our prime minister) and even to this day Scandinavia have among the highest living standards in the world. Higher before yes but still preddy good.

>colapse

Who the fuck is the prime minister of "Scandinavia"

Yeah, that was badly written by me. in 1986 they shot swedens prime minister, and that started the pro americanisation of Scandinavian politics, moving away from socialism twoards capitalism.

Sorry for bad english mate.

Another example of hindsight changing someone's views. As social democratic policies were enacted in Scandinavian countries, they were criticized by socialist and communist intellectuals as "class collaboration". Now, because it worked, they are claimed as "examples of socialism working".

Wasn't that because Chavez was actually doing good during his first years and then became a giant asshole after 2004?

>As social democratic policies were enacted in Scandinavian countries

This was done for over 50 years, so can you be a little more specific? We still have social democracy, only that now it have swifted to more of a mixed ideology with a capitalism/market economy but still with a socialist government with free health care, education, safety net etc.

>they were criticized by socialist and communist intellectuals as "class collaboration".

By who?

But communism hasn't been tried before. In fact, Communism isn't something that can be tried.

Communism isn't an alternative to capitalism. It's the theorized natural end of capitalism. The USSR wasn't Communist, China wasn't Communist, Cuba isnt Communist.

They are attempts to side step the process and rush a Communist society with their own beliefs creating seperate systems like Maoism, Stalinism, Leninism, etc.

But communism won't come about until post scarcity is reached and capitalist systems are no longer necessary. There's a decent chance the USA could become a Communist society in a century. Or it may not and Marx will be wrong.

Try comparing Cuba to the other Caribbean islands and central Americans, then.

Would you rather live in Haiti? That's capitalist.

As more and more people are out of a job thanks to robotics and automation some kind of socialism inevitable (as in actual socialism where the means of productive are in possession of the collective and provide things for it) I think.

This is meta, this isn't related to history, go to pol

Explain this

>By who?

By the communist parties of Scandinavian countries, that were opposed to social democratic rule.

Unlike Italy and France, socialists in Scandinavia didn't collaborate or form coalitions with communists.

But it's true though

Why don't Haitians migrate to Cuba, then?

They prefer to cross the entire American landmass to get into Brazil, a very shitty capitalist country, than just cross a small sea into socialist paradise.

So you're pretty much saying that Communism will only become a thing once the entire basis of all economic science (the fact that resources are scarce) disappears?

Just like how slavery made socialism inevitable?

Post-scarcity will probably be the end of humanity or complete chaos. Communism will not rise out of the ashes.

No, he was always doing the same thing, using oil money to fund populist policies and expropriating private property.

It's just that until 2006, oil prices were good, after that, not so much.

>communism has never been tried.

Literally almost every democracy today is communism.

When the masses elect the leaders, who then set the tax rates. That is wealth confiscation of the property owners by the proles.

Democracy and Nationalism both are just less radical forms of proto-marxism.

Not him, but I doubt anyone in that picture was alove under Stalin, or even old enough to remember the SU.

Because the Cuban government is nationalistic enough to enact border control?

>Hans Hermann-Hoppe

Please go, the only worthwhile thing he did was record a few of Rothbard's history lectures (the only really good thing to come out of Rothbard, who was always a better historian than economist)

As I said, I don't care about Marxist theory. My problem with communism is communists who use this theory as guideline for political action.

Teilhard de Chardin believes mankind will evolve into a sort of collective consciousness called the "noosphere". That's just a silly belief, and it doesn't affect anyone's life. There is no reason to feel passionate about it, to love or hate it.

It would be different if a bunch of Catholics organized revolutionary groups with the declared objective of reorganizing the entire politics, economy, society and culture of the world to hasten the development of the "noosphere".

wtf did i just read

>Hans-Hermann Hoppe
>An Ancap

Into the trash it goes

>Just like how slavery made socialism inevitable
Well no. But the old slave empires certainly made feudalism inevitable.

Eh IDK m8. There's just a lot USSR nostalgia in Russia.

>Unlike Italy and France, socialists in Scandinavia didn't collaborate or form coalitions with communists.

This is not true, it was only during the Finnish winter war and for some time after because the communist party wanted to side with the soviet union, and the rest of the nation with Finland.

Later the communist party only went after Moscows directions, sometimes the social democrats where "class traitors" and sometimes they wanted collaboration. This is something that went on for about 30 years or more, until after the fall of the Berlin wall the swedish communist party changed their name to Left Party and where just leftist, and not communist anymore.

Althoug that was only to name and not in practice.