Why do white people get BTFO here?

>Afghanistan is probably the only place where the war on terror was actually successful and the country became better because of it.

amerilard shouldnt be allowed to post on the history board

Not an argument

>America kicked their ass hard. Afghanistan is probably the only place where the war on terror was actually successful

kek

You can conquer it but after that holding on to it is extremely hard because of the terrain and hostility of the locals

even taliban era afghanistan was better than the shithole it is now

>Iranians
>White

Fuck off

They're caucasian.

Afghans too.

and theyre basically white
afghanistan is basically outer iran

They could be glassed in about 5 minutes.

The problem is that conquering and controlling such an arid wasteland is a very hard thing to do. You can't divide and conquer like India or the native in America.

>puking up mustard when you die

lmao no wonder they're called burgers

They fucked up by supporting a corrupt puppet government who the people hated, eventually ISAF lost the support from the population and the Taliban came back as a solution

youtube.com/watch?v=KIFEilhUxPQ

Just a clusterfuck in general

>got cucked by Persians on multiple occasions
>got cucked by the Greeks
>got cucked by the Arabs when they moved up in der
>got cucked by Indians
>got cucked by the Mongols
>First Angolo war was successful and they were all raged just to establish British dominance further in Central Asia
>Soviets and Americans could follow the same morale system as all the previous Empires mentioned if they wanted to, and use their tech to whipe out the entire population, but don't because they wanted to display and test their tactics

Militarily, the US dominated Afghanistan. Politically, they could not neutralize the insurgency and the ANA was an abject failure led by child rapists.

isn´t like if the east part of the country is full of tribes and clans that make it harder to conquest?

>got cucked by persians

But they are partly persian

The Zand dynasty held control of central Iran for maybe 40-50 years tops. Persians typically ass-fucked the Afghans for nearly 3000 years, that little break really means nothing. Oh but I guess to be fair, the Zands weren't Afghani/Dari people, they were Lurs and Laks.

The Tajiks are colonial Persians, the Pashtos are more like the Scottish to the Persians/Tajiks English.

He's literally completely right. The Taliban only exist in mountain pockets now. The vast majority of the country is ruled by the central government and allies. Much better than the pre-2001 situation when half of it was ruled by the Taliban and the other half ruled by various militias. You retarded snarky European faggots.

Taliban controlled like 3/4ths of Afghanistan from 1995 to 2001. Northern Alliance only controlled a small and the most northern tip of regions in north Afghanistan.

>The Tajiks are colonial Persians

Other way around, the Persians are colonial Tajiks.

Iranics were in Central Asia long before they stepped foot into the Iranian plateau.

>Persians are Colonial Tajiks
Wrong. Tajiks are Persians who went from the Iranian plateau to the Greater Khorasan area, they even call themselves Tajiks as a reflection of their status as immigrants into non-Iranian lands to resettle.
>Iranics were in Central Asia
No, they migrated into Iran before further groups extended themselves into the Steppes, India, and the rest of Eurasia. Even the oldest Iranic sedentary relics, monuments, and architecture are all significantly younger then those we have of the Medes and Persians.

Woah, what happened here?

>mfw I'm an American working with the US State department posting from Kabul

That statement is objectively untrue.

because the more money you throw at hillbillies expecting them to change, the less inclined toward change they become.

it's the graveyard oif empires because those empires thought they could take the eurasian equivalent of appalachian hillbillies and make them productive.

to an afghan, everyone from the outside world is a consarned revenewer a-comin' to take mah moonshahn (heroin).

they just want to continue their dirt farming, endless feuding, daughter and cousin fucking, opiate ingesting, koran thumping and broke-ass existence in peace.

fuck knows why we spend huge amounts of money on them. if they harbour terrs, just go in, fuck up the terrs and leave. job done.

>appalachian hillbillies

Whenever they're mentioned I get really sad, they're pretty trash all things considered, but they're also fucked over by the US Government at every possible turn, whether its being kicked off their land or having such crushing regulations and sanctions on them that mountain dew actually becomes cheaper than water.

afganistan can be beat, just not held very well....the british,soviets,and americans all did fine in beating the afgans, they just couldnt hold it long term

The region called persia or fars is in iran. Persians come from there.

Proofs?

>Afghanistan is probably the only place where the war on terror was actually successful and the country became better because of it.

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It's far away from the sea.
Why would anyone waste resources there?

>just go in, fuck up the terrs and leave
this strategy creats problems, if theres no long term plan you get unexpected and potentialy explode-in-your-face-later issues

the trouble with regans intervention in afganistan was a precice "jobs done, lets go" attitude

if you fuck shit up and have no concept of who will pick up the pieces you invite taliban/isis types to do the work

The Taliban control the most territory since 2001.

Furthermore, Taliban != Bad guys

Was decreasing their territory from 50% to 25% worth $5 trillion, 2500 Coalition lives, and 500,000 Afghani lives?

Actually the Taliban are controlling more of the country right now as in 2001.
The North Alliance dun goofed as they trusted the Anglos.

>Laughing_Husbandos.jpg

Leaving out all the context is irresponsible, such as Al Qaeda and 9/11.

Additionally, Afghanistan has remained fucked up because of PAKISTAN.

Suicide bombing. Welcome to the war, new guy.

Afghanistan is still in the Bronze Age, and people in the modern age get BTFO there due to culture shock. Basic things like going to the toilet or charging your smartphone? Not guaranteed. It's like a whole different planet there.

Well there HDI is something like 4.5 so its just a bit better than most of africa. Granted they lived through 40 years of war. And how are they bronze age when they had medieval iron age kingdoms?

*their

BTW What happened with that excellent "The Great Game" thread???????

>Leaving out all the context is irresponsible, such as Al Qaeda and 9/11.

Defeated and fixed in 2001-2002.

al-Queda is still around

>still no tora route

most people get BTFO here because it's landlocked and mountainous.

>white people are whatever white people want it to be and changes daily

race means nothing.

they can try winning the hearts of the locals, instead of arming and backing a small specific group of radicals and fanatics solely to prevent our rivals from gaining access to their resources.

>arid wasteland

Afghanistan has literally trillions of dollars worth of natural resources in the form of metals and minerals, not to mention the farmland is nothing to sneeze at.

And Ethiopia.

>Persians

Literally next door.

>Greeks

never happened?

>Arabs

Also didn't happen, Arabs took Persia who controlled Afghanistan.

>Indians

maybe like, 5000 years ago.

>Mongols

Mongols did the same as the Arabs. Conquered another region that controlled Afghanistan.

>British

barely held anything and just installed a puppet dictator who ended up dividing everyone and shattering the landscape into pieces controlled by local factions and militias.

>gibberish about soviets and Americans

pls

>never happened
Look up the extent of Alexander's empire

He who controls the dope controls the Afghanistan.

they're not superhumans, they're just incredibly rebellious, like the Gauls. superpowers figure it's not worth the trouble if you can buy the resources for dirt cheap anyways.

/thread

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>maybe like, 5000 years ago.
>gupta empire was 5000 years ago.
>ashoka was 5000 years ago.
eric.
pretty much this. The use of afghanistan was always a passage to india and the riches of the indus valley.

They just realize eventually that this shitty place full of hateful barbaric people really isn't worth all the trouble and go home

As you can see, the latest post on the second thread was at September 12th: archived.moe/his/thread/1679812/

And the second to last thread's latest post had a date of September 11th. Despite this the second thread I made on it is nowhere to be found anywhere in the archive.

I stopped it because I think mods deleted it for one reason or another. When I looked in the archive to see where the second thread went, it wasn't there. Only the first one was. So the second one disappeared somehow. I don't know if anything other than mod deletion can cause that, but maybe I'm just forgetting something. I figured there was mo point in continuing if mods are going to delete it. To be fair, it seemed interest was dying anyway. I was planning on stopping it because of this, though I was going to wait maybe 2 or 3 more days just to make sure.

>second to last thread's
I meant second to last thread in the archive.

>Afghans
>not white

Are you the user that made the thread?
It was really great senpai, thanks for getting me interested in the subject

So it was even worse than I thought before we arrived. Thanks for clearing that up.

Afghanistan can actually be incredibly fertile. It just has a lot of hills and steppe.

pls give career advice

Well bachi bazi was being prevented in Taliban controlled Afghanistan, now that the US and allies have a hands off approach to the whole situation and its coming back with full force sadly.

You can't win a land war in asia.

Defeated does not necessarily equal exterminated

Even China has just finally built one railroad into Afghanistan.

Supposedly it's gonna boost Afghanistan's economy 60% and pump it full of Chinese guns

>Taliban != Bad guys

Elaborate. In what way were they not bad?

White as a racial term doesn't make sense. The people there are Caucasian.

The provided relative stability for Afghanistan and many Afghanis supported them.
In what way were they bad?

Well, there were a lot of massacres.

Widespread slavery.

And that whole "9/11" thing.

Plus there was the widespread social repression and fundamentalist islamism. They weren't any more stable than the US-backed current government.

Theres a shit ton of >white Afghans