Which European is best to own a car in?

Why ask? it goes like this:
Germany, Switserland, Austria, Italy, France, Belgium, the Netherlands.

the netherlands being absolute shit for not even having a hill and INSANE, I_N_S_A_N_E_T_A_X_E_S_W_T_F_N_E_T_H_E_R_L_A_N_D.
A car that costs 80K in all of europe costs 120K in Netherland, somebody explain this to me cause I don't get these cheeseheads retarded "bijtelling"

Britain. Drive on the left for less accidents, better regulations if you want to mod your car, and cheaper cars due to better economy.

Has to do with emissions.
If its very bad you pay more. If it's not you pay a lot less.

So if you want a quick/fun car, you have to pay a lot. That's why almost everyone is driving ecoboxes.

>Germany
+ hilariously low fines for speeding
- if you mod literally anything, even just new wheels, and you don't register them, you lose your insurance coverage entirely and therefore aren't allowed to drive the car anymore
- getting mods registered is an expensive nightmare (think €4,000 for every part if you didn't get pre-approved parts)

>Switzerland
- ridiculously high fines for speeding
- seriously, you can lose your license and get your car impounded for going 20 over, which in Germany would cost €30

>hilariously low fines for speeding
>- if you mod literally anything, even just new wheels, and you don't register them, you lose your insurance coverage entirely and therefore aren't allowed to drive the car anymore
>- getting mods registered is an expensive nightmare (think €4,000 for every part if you didn't get pre-approved parts)
wrong

nah

what's driving in finland like?

cold

>- if you mod literally anything, even just new wheels, and you don't register them, you lose your insurance coverage entirely and therefore aren't allowed to drive the car anymore

You think that's bad? Try all that, but with 3 and 4 figure sums just for legalizing fees

>welcome to Portugal

endless forest roads

>you lose your insurance coverage entirely
Wrong, you CAN lose your insurance coverage in a crash if the modification is determined to have played a role (your insurance will be hell bent on blaming it on the modification so that they don't have to pay out) but you only lose it automatically if the modification is determined to violate vehicle codes to begin with.

>getting mods registered is an expensive nightmare (think €4,000 for every part if you didn't get pre-approved parts)
Wrong, it can cost up to several hundred bucks for heavy modifications but usually it's safely in the two digit realm.

The UK for me.
Like 6 good tracks all within 4 hours of each other and a really competitive amateur scene. Plus open pit lane track days.

Nah man, go put something in your car that doesn't have a Teilegutachten, ask for an Einzelabnahme at your local TÜV and get back to me on that.

For one of those stupid race chips for instance it'll cost ya between 3 and 5k.

Also the second you modify your car and don't register it, your Betriebserlaubnis is void and so is your insurance coverage. You are now illegally driving an unregistered car.

>For one of those stupid race chips for instance it'll cost ya between 3 and 5k.
Just don't tell anybody and your fine :^)

UK is another one of those "good upsides, bad downsides" countries.

>tons of tracks because of old airfields
>laughable restrictions for registrations and modifications, UK boasts feat such as Europe's quickest street legal car (a drag racer), a street legal jet car and a street legal tank
>good domestic motoring history with legendary manufacturers of both cars and motorcycles

>but wheels on the wrong side unless a UK model is offered or you import JDM
>shitty insurance until you're grandpa years old
>tons of traffic

Problem 1: You've bought something without a Teilegutachten.
Problem 2: You're going to the nazi TÜV instead of the cash strapped Dekra that's far more customer friendly.

I imagine Finland is the best. You can go fast through the woods and no one cares.
This freedom is why there's so many racing drivers from Finland

Fuck off schluchtenscheißer

Sweden is up there

Pretty relaxed laws about modification, low taxes, plenty of good roads, gravel roads and places to offroad

Best european to own a car in is bogdanoff

>Romania
+you can drive just about anything you want if you have the money.
+you can modify anything and everything. all you have to do is report to the MOT and get homologation in special cases ( such as home-made electric cars )
+fines are hilariously cheap for rich people and basically you can bribe any cop if you have the money
+if you run over or kill someone you can just bribe your way to freedom.
+if you are caught driving so drunk you can barely see, you can still bribe your way to freedom.
+hilariously cheap insurances for people over 25 years old.

-many cops expect bribes
-bad roads
-Europe's most aggresive drivers
-bad petrol
-hilariously expensive insurance for people under 25.
-many thieves

If you feel like giving your freshman daughter a brand new 567 bhp BMW X6M, there is are no legal restrictions whatsoever.

I'd probably live out in the country somewhere. Mostly because I don't want to be near muslims.
And I'd import a car from NL if possible so I could drive on the left.

UK has a ton of things I hate, but that's the only place I can think of other than Japan that I would actually want to move for car related things.
They literally have like 30 fucking tracks. And they are all well maintained. Plus all the hill climbs and rally.

Consider Spain, with may different good roads, shitty drivers and police helicopters that act as some kind of Eye of Sauron over you speed.

>If you feel like giving your freshman daughter a brand new 567 bhp BMW X6M, there is are no legal restrictions whatsoever.
Neither are there in other European countries, the drivers licenses are standardized. Except that elsewhere you'll earn more than 350 dollars a month.

>bribes good

The only thing annoying is there aren't a massive amount of great scenic routes over other European countries.

Most of wales and Scotland are amazing other than the lake district I cant think of any others really.

France is big
has the most diverse landscapes in Europe
plenty of roads
Mediterranean weather in the south
close to Spain and Italy which are also the best countries to drive
central position in western Europe
gendarmes are chill in the countryside if you're not a jackass
peeps know how to drive
road signs are clear and precise
insurance is cheap
cars are cheap
used car market is huge and very competitive
fines are just okay, not too expensive but not cheap either
highway covers a big part of the country but is expensive

It's the best place in Europe if you like to do some road.

Not to mention Corsica and overseas territories if you also like boating

>UK
+Beautiful landscape
+curvy roads
+generally good quality roads
+people don't walk all over the roads
-If your under 30 you get fucked with insurance
-expensive taxes
-a lot of traffic
-road quality depends on council area
-police aren't about a lot but when they are they are out to ticket you

Any countryside near any jobs in the UK is expensive af. If you don't want to see brown people the coast by London is cheap white and is a easy commute to the city

Welcome to socialist utopias 101. Europe is great for visiting but not living.

>Amerisharts talking about car-related laws in a foreign country they cant find on a map

Im sure this thread is factual

>it's a "Europe is one country" episode

>-expensive taxes
I don't know about the latest changes to the tax bands but wasn't the previous highest tax band like £500 a year

>the coast by London is cheap white and is a easy commute to the city
Which coast? Brighton? That's expensive as fuck. Or Medway? It's a shithole.

>Poland
+literally nobody checks emmisions, if you don't roll coal. you're fine
+lots of "trusted" inspection shops
+better road quality than 12 years ago (thanks EU)
-18.5% +23% tax for cars with bigger engines (over 2 liters)
-speed cameras and LPRs out of ass
-inconsistent signs
-demerit points given for things not even remotely related to so called "safety"
-140kph limit on 2 lane tolled "highway", yet there's 90kph limit on 4lane bypass, because "lol city limits"
-99.5% of all accidents is caused by "excessive speed", because nobody bothers to check how unmaintained the cars are
-mechanics are hacks, and even if they manged to finish high school they want min. $35/h. yet they still manage fubar something
-gen Xers ruin all fun from everything that was left
-"patriotic" (wannabe nazi/commie) government.
+gas becomes cheap if you earn >$16.5K/yr

Germans can't into zipping

Also, don't buy a brand new car in the Netherlands. Buy a car with something like 10000 kilometres, it saves you a lot.

The B-roads are really ok compared to rest of the Europe.
Look at the car prices: nettiauto com
The fuel prices €/liter: polttoaine net
The average license cost is about 2200€ (European B license).
Car culture is alive and well.
Too bad shits hella expensive.

A green car driven by a drunk driver trynna kill you in the highways. A dark green fiat being driven by a slightly less drunk asshole in a one way road going 30 miles head on against you, but your datsun is cheap to insurance.

>18.5 + 23% tax
is that on new cars or every car related transaction?

>Estonia
+many great B roads, so twisty most cars challenge their limits of grip at speed limit
+one racetrack but its dirt cheap, 60 for a day pass
+kart tracks and abandoned airfields for free/almost free track days
+many race events for street cars
+fuel is really cheap
+country is small so travel is not a chore
+most mods are legal
+registering mods is easy
+insurance prices are dirt cheap even for first car (400 for me and my first car is an old sportscar, drops after 1 year
+car culture outside normies is good, great streetrace/track culture
+dirt cheap JDM
-most car culture owned and ruined by white trash who buy some 1000 eur bmw/audi/merc americans think is great and drive around drunken and pretend to be hardcore blasting shit music
-many great b roads are gravel
-flat land
-limits on engine swaps
-Veeky Forums estonians dont want to hang with one another

overall 8/10

>germany
How come everyone thinks the autobahn is so god tier? There are only certain places which dont have a speed limit.

I live in Norway, and the last time i made a roadtrip through Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Switzerland, Austria and then finally Italy was like 5 years ago. I seem to remembee that Italy's autostrada is godtier when it comes to free speed limits. Although i did feel more safe among German drivers than Italian. All those flowers on the side of the road really makes you think.

If I´d move there and need to import my 1.0L econobox with 90.000+km, how much would I need to pay?

>Switzerland
>good

Nigga you don't know shit about Switzerland and driving here.

Here's the truth:

>speed traps EVERY FUCKING WHERE
>Constantly need to check tachometer because of this
>highways are crowded as fuck and everyone drives very slowly and always on the left
>drivers are known to call the cops themselves and report people for driving too fast or because they got overtaken
>anyone driving a bit too fast is immediately shamed in the local newspapers as "Speed Sinner" or "Raser"
>huge taxes for riding cars and expensive garages where normal servicing can cost up to 1k Swiss francs
>buying a used BMW, Mercedes or Audi means that you are buying a car that was probably driven aggressively and is busted due to the Albanians and other Eastern Europe scum that rode it to the ground.

The only plus is that used cars are quite cheap and motorcycles are also cheap.

I currently ride a scooter, while keeping my car in the garage for the weekends or when I have to travel far away.

I own a Renault Laguna like this one mostly because I got it from a relative for a very cheap price.

Oh and about people reporting you to the cops, this happens really frequently and even happened to me once.

>driving in a 60 km/h road
>lady in front of me is driving at 48-50 km/h
>overtake her at 64 km/h
>she follows me like a maniac doing light signals and buzzing the horn
>I stop
>she stood near me
>stars insulting me saying that I've put her in danger
>calls the cops in front of me
>cops arrive
>we argue a bit
>they let me go because there were no witnesses.

Shitty insurance?
I'm 24 can buy a Porsche Cayman from 2008 for £10,000 and insurance is £1,500 with only two years of driving history.

It really isn't that bad here.

>1,500
unheard of.
Here with two years driving history you'd get the insurance for 250 max.
My similiar car with 0 driving experience ran me 350 a year.

Stop pretending like you aren't getting fucked in the ass.

>>anyone driving a bit too fast is immediately shamed in the local newspapers as "Speed Sinner" or "Raser"

nice

That car is slower than a 7-seater family sedan

23% is a "base" (but also the highest) tax rate, for cars, parts ,fuels ,electricity etc.

18.5% "tax" is for every car (as a whole) transaction that must be included within its price (whether if you sell domestic or import). But as i said only if engine has over 2.0L of displacement

another good is, engines are classified as "wear item"

>>drivers are known to call the cops themselves and report people for driving too fast or because they got overtaken
>>anyone driving a bit too fast is immediately shamed in the local newspapers as "Speed Sinner" or "Raser"

same here, but there's a fairly large group who will happily report you for every-fucking-singly minor violation (i.e if you drive over double line by 1 centimeter, for more than a femtosecond )

Here's a good example:

>polizeiticker.ch/news/artikel/suhr-ag-corvette-fahrer-gefaehrdet-andere-verkehrsteilnehmer-auf-der-a1-zeugenaufruf-96374/

>Finland
+ cops are usually chill
+ American v8s
+ Car mods are legal

- shit roads
- half of the year is undriveable
- salt
- mediocre drivers

>Neither are there in other European countries
Wrong. At least in Italy for one year after getting your driving license you are not allowed to drive cars with a power to weight ratio higher than a certain amount, or more powerful than a certain amount.

And I thought you guys were ok

lel @ people even mentioning the UK.
The roads are fine, but literally everything legal related is retarded or expensive as fuck.

stay cucked britbongs

>australia

+great car culture
+cheap jap cars and aussie muscle
+loads of good roads and tuners
- speed traps EVERYWHERE
- govt thinks road safety begins and ends at speed
- car can be randomly impounded if you get a bad cop, our laws are guilty until proven innocent
- our media shames anyone with a nice car as a "hoon"

It really comes down to 3 things.

>Aussies love cars and make cool ideas in their sheds
>Our govt and media hates cars and is a communist nightmare
>Our country is beautiful and has great driving roads

good thing i'm not poor

>Austria
>very cheap gas
lol no. Also insurance is absurd and theres mandatory yearly inspections so you cant mod.

- for weird accent? how dare you

yeah, or else you wouldn't be able to drive your citroën saxo/vauxhall corsa

Its because hes either a german cuck or from the bad parts of austria. He cant handle the chuchechästli.

Apparently importing older cars is easy as hell and pretty cheap.
Monthly road taxes depend on weight and fuel type. Yes, that's a thing.

finland, obviously

Expensive as shit. Speeding fines go by income and even with zero income theyr're ridiculously high.
Literally no hills, much less a touge. Twisty backroads are extremely plentiful with the roads itself being acceptable at least.
Also, speed traps and road cameras up the arse on bigger roads.

>Austria
what you said plus
+relatively low fines even for DUI
+no penalty point system like in Germany
-mandatory Vignette for all freeways (thus the good shape)

>relatively low fines even for DUI
Yeah, and you get your license taken from you.

Obviously UK.

only if you have above 0,8 ‰

I've looked at real estate it's cheap compared to California for what you're getting. The taxes and insurance does suck though on cars.

Why is this relevant?

If you actually want to do motor racing, UK for sure.

>>France
>+ many curvy hill roads
True that
>+ police doesn't really care
Nigga that's plain wrong, they do their best to fuck you up real good since they have bonuses based on how many permit points they remove yearly
>- most roads are in bad shape
I don't know where this meme comes from, top gear? I traveled many french regions and usually found that even the most remote touge roads have decent asphalt
>- most people drive shitty cars
Yup. And the used car market makes you want to kill yourself, especially when compared to adjacent countries.

>shitty drivers
>Spain
Clearly not compared to the rest. Portuguese are aggressive AF and Italians are just fucking nuts.
Protip to drive in peace in Spain don't ever touch the motorway, expensive and there are cooler routes.

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What would I expext to pay for a 880kg gas powered car?

Italian here:

+ great curvy mountain/hill roads BUT often in a shit condition
+ people like to drive fast
- zero car culture outside Volkswagen/Alfa Romeo
- everybody drives a shitty gpl ecobox
- retarted amount of taxes and insurance to buy a car also to mantain one
- good luck on registering a mod lmao
- 5k€ for a Miata

Canada
+ better import laws than usa
+ no emissions testing or inspections
+ good access to american products
- weather destroys all vehicles
- mountain passes are too steep and dangerous to enjoy
- expensive gas
- highways are virtually straight for hundreds of kilometers
- cities use hidden photo radar trucks to catch speeders

can I uhh...
get an uhh...
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>UK
+ tuning laws aren't draconian so you can drive nigh anything you want
+ some amazing driving roads with loads of toegay places to initiaru deeu
- speed cameras everywhere on motorways
- police will fuck you up if you get caught
- shit weather most of the time
= roads are in bad shape in lots of places but amazing condition in many others

Between €72 and €80 per 3 months, depending on which province you live in. Unless it outputs less than 50g/km of CO2, in which case you'd get a discount.

>50g/km
That is impossible for ICE cars.

Which is why so many drive hybrids and Teslas, since they get huge tax discounts.