How long do you think until the petrol engine is phased out by electric...

Yeah I figured it was solely that, here in burgerland, right off hand the only place I know with any is California but I'm sure there's more in other places but only in a few major cities I imagine and even then not many...kind of fucked right out of the gate.

I'm suprised with the tech being as good as it is, for as long as it is, no one has undertaken it at all in terms of companies, I guess they don't see return investment and don't want to bother.

Because hydrogen is dangerous.

What do you think about NatGas engines?

Then again that's where the greatest emissions problems persist so that's where electric cars belong. There's absolutely no reason to object to urban electric carsharing networks for normies. The problem is that everyone wants to drive a car with MUH RANGE because they make one or two longer trips a year that would work just as well using a train, just like everyone wants to drive a pickup truck because they haul one or two washing machines a year that would fit just as well into a rental van.

Hydrogen is incredibly difficult to store as it leaks from everything you put it in. Its dangerous to refuel (you need gloves and a face shield) and dangerous to store. Additionally, it takes electricity to synthesize hydrogen - thus introducing additional conversion losses than direct electrical power.

Really made me think OP

50 million tons of hydrogen are produced and handled globally per year without mentionworthy accidents. The only reason there would be any danger is if it's put into the hands of absolute retards without adequate education, i.e. American drivers.

Natural gas is just as fossil and limited as gasoline and diesel, only slightly more environmentally friendly. If anything it's just an emergency fix, not a long term solution.

That makes sense too. Completely forgot to think about that.

> There's absolutely no reason to object to urban electric carsharing networks for normies.
I see legal problems with this if not handled by a third party. American cities really need to become their own city states, kind of like Hong Kong. They pay tax to the US, but don't make any decisions.
>The problem is that everyone wants to drive a car with MUH RANGE because they make one or two longer trips a year that would work just as well using a train, just like everyone wants to drive a pickup truck because they haul one or two washing machines a year that would fit just as well into a rental van.
I'm one of those people who own a V8 SUV. It's my daily. They're beyond ridiculously reliable and I use the storage capacity all the time. I also wouldn't object to limiting them to commercial and rural use only though.

You seem to be implying that only leaky containers without safety measures exist for hydrogen storage, which is factually wrong.

>. If anything it's just an emergency fix, not a long term solution.
I'm confused. What do you mean it's a fix. What's broken? Are you one of those people that think we're going to run out of shit to burn or that people are responsible for major shifts in climate?

All signs point towards it, and I'd rather protect the environment to find out that it was unnecessary than destroy the environment to find out it would've required protection. Better safe than sorry.

>aside from infrastructure reasons
nothing. well you could say that the battery hype is the pleb's choice and that's a big thing that's holding back hydrogen development as well. sadly the infrastructure is a huge problem and nobody takes alternative engines serious enough to really develop a hydrogen infrastructure. so big manufacturers just make a few battery shitboxes for image reasons but secretly plan on making ICE / Hybdrid powered cars for many more years.

>want to go for a ride
>bike is flat
>car is ded
poor guy

>All signs point towards it
No they don't. Signs actually point away from it. The heart of the science actually suggest that people's impact is pretty insignificant in climate change. We account for less than 1% of CO2 Δ. There has been much more correlation with the suns cycles and desertification, which are both known natural cycles. It's why the projections made my "climate scientist" are consistently off, or have to me strongly manipulated to be shown correct.
> I'd rather protect the environment to find out that it was unnecessary than destroy the environment to find out it would've required protection. Better safe than sorry.
Good think you don't decide things for everyone else.

>Signs actually point away from it.
Do they now?

Read the rest of the comment, neck beard.

The rest of the comment are just more unfounded statements.

>TFW bought $40k electric car
>20 hour charge time from "13" hour charger

you need one of those Superchargers™ that charge (destroy) your 500kg of batteries within 30 minutes :^)

>The rest of the comment are just more unfounded statements.
>The heart of the science actually suggest that people's impact is pretty insignificant in climate change.
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You consume too much fake news.

Great graphs, but they're all garbage because the climate isn't limited to the atmosphere.

>>post evidence
>G-g-g-reat graphs user but even though they refute a major argument for human caused global climate change, the occasional oil spill makes up for that, even though oil used to seep through the ground before we started pumping it.
You're one of those useful idiots, aren't you. Have you ever actually looked a the raw methodology and data or are you just repeating Don Lemon and Bill Nye the I'm-and-engineer-and-not-a-Science Guy, or Neil Tyson - who is also not a climate scientist nor an academic.

How long until the relics that control copyright laws that are even older than the fossil fuel start hunting people that download custom engine sounds for the electric cars?

>Neil Tyson - who is also not a climate scientist nor an academic
And this is why I can't take you people seriously. You think you can get away with just flat-out lying.

>he completed a bachelor's degree in physics at Harvard University in 1980. After receiving a master's degree in astronomy at the University of Texas at Austin in 1983, he earned his master's (1989) and doctorate (1991) in astrophysics at Columbia University.

40 or 50 years.

The main issue isn't storing or making Hydrogen. Its transporting it, there's no existing infrastructure to transport it like petroleum products.

They're also looking into ways of storing it using non-traditional means, like in easily releasable compounds and tank designs that rely on geometry and construction of the tank rather than pressurization.

>In 1994, Tyson joined the Hayden Planetarium as a staff scientist while he was a research affiliate in Princeton University. He became acting director of the planetarium in June 1995 and was appointed director in 1996. As director, he oversaw the planetarium's $210 million reconstruction project, which was completed in 2000.
>become director in less than a year
>don't actually do scientific research
evolutionnews.org/2014/09/a_scientists_un/
>After director, become TV personality. Keep getting facts wrong on show that is based around your profession.
thefederalist.com/2014/09/16/another-day-another-quote-fabricated-by-neil-degrasse-tyson/
>Get involved in politics and fabricate shit there too
evolutionnews.org/2014/09/forget_cosmos_h/
>turns out fabrications are well documented with this individual
>only notable achievement of any merit value was removing pluto from planetary status.
Wew, you're setting the bar high, aren't you.

To phase out ICE you need to make electric cars economically viable for everyone, and with everyone I mean that they their initial cost must be comparable to a B/C-segment car with no practical drawbacks. This means batteries must become dirt cheap to produce, have good operational life, and have a high energy density.

This for DD cars, shit that need to bring you from home to work and viceversa, and scoot you around town, because of course they make up most of the world's demand. Then you'd need to find practical solutions for long-range car travel, freight transport, and heavy-duty vehicles, not counting the aerospace industry, where you need a lot of power at as low weight as possible.

>Evolution News
>The articles published at Evolution News are copyright by Discovery Institute
>The Discovery Institute (DI) is a non-profit public policy think tank based in Seattle, Washington, best known for its advocacy of the pseudoscientific principle of intelligent design (ID).
AAAAHAHAAHAHAHHHAAHAHHA is this the kind of websites you use to shape your scientific understanding?

>OP ignores the one person that actually has an electric car and says it's shit

>tries to discredit article
>article links to credible news sources
>makes you look like a delfectionist
wew. really fell into that one, didn't you.
The only think you're missing from this argument is ad hominem and red herring in place of an argument, but the day is young.

In about 10 years mark my fucking words

Germany and California want to ban sales of new petrol cars by 2030.

>take 5.5 mile commute to work
>Uses 8 miles of "range"

Electric will never take off

It can be mitigated, but that doesn't mean it's good. Hydrogen has a habit of going straight though materials like metal since, you know, hydrogen is the smallest thing on the periodic table.

Tesla still hasn't made a dollar.

On top of that those cars can't run a race. Normies just think they are fast because they fell for the viral marketing scheme Elon cooked. up.

LUDICRIS MODE LMAO

>was the heat on?
>did you use regen braking?
>did you accelerate hard a lot?

they make 20% profit on each S and X sold. they just keep burning through money to expand the business.

there is a reason why you don't see people in the West making a new car company from nothing, besides a few high end sports car makers.

it is just too capital intensive to make it work with out government help.

the p100d has a 2.28s 0-60. Acceleration drops after the quarter mile but you really have to specify what you mean in "races"

Steam is the future.

about another 10 to 15 years i think alot of commuter appliance cars will be replaced by electric.

This thing was fully loaded. Heated seats, heated steering wheel. Both hardly worked. I was never able to get the heater to work, turned the temperature up and it would just blow cold. So left all that worthless crap off. Regen is an automatic thing and also used the "L" which regens even harder.

>he didn't buy an i3

>How long do you think until the petrol engine is phased out by electric?
Never

I feel like before electric cars account for 50.1% of new vehicles sold we will have regressed to need-based instead of want-based societally, thereby making the thought of electric cars unattainable/unrealistic

Some of the first "cars" to come out were electric... I happen to think we're at the same spot laterally as a planet, just headed in the opposite direction

>YFW electricity cost surpasses gas
The grid can't handle a nation of electric cars. The price will be prohibitive.

Hopefully soon
>bull shit speed limits enforced by Nazi cock sucking cops everywhere
>tinted windows are illegal
>not wearing a seatbelt is illegal

Just fucking end it already

This.
Battery tech just isn't good enough

A long time unless someone whips groundbreaking battery tech out their asshole.

This, I have a Volt, it's kind of shit, but the concept is pretty solid.
>When you realize that constantly running at peak power fixes both of the major problems of rotaries, shit power at low RPMs and flexing due to imbalanced thermal expansion.

Rotary range extenders when

Sorry about whatever shithole you live in.

There is just to many fucking state troopers how fucking boring is their job

What's the point when they would charge the same?

BTFO