Why do people say Alexander the Great of Macedonia was Greek?

That's pretty funny. Looks like Halloween costume.

You are a bunch of brainwashed slavs and have nothing to do with Alexander the great

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>You will never be so desperate to steal another countries' identity that you dress up your army as fucking hoplites
This is literal wewuzism, but on a national level. Good thing nobody takes the FYROM seriously.

what are turks doing in palestine?

>that "armor"

>implaying Alexander has any similarities or anything to do with today Greeks or slavic Makedonians.
Anyone of those 2 who claim Alexander is insane.
He was born in Macedonia so in that way it could be kinda ok if Macedonia glorifies him.

All this shitfest begun when Serbs and Greeks stoled terratory from Bulgaria in 1 Balkan War.

>inb4 macedonian
>inb4 Bulgarian

his mother was greek so he was ethnically both macedonian and greek. Culturally he was both as well. Hannah Montana of ancient times

The eternal Turk goes where he pleases and takes all he wants.

Macedonians were hellenized Thracians and Thracians were proto-Albanians

Top tier post

Greeks need to grow up. There's a clear difference between Macedon and Macedonia. In antiquity Macedonians were considered barbarians by other Greeks.

>He was born in Macedonia so in that way it could be kinda ok if Macedonia glorifies him.

WE WUZ ALEXANDER

fakedonia is a meme country

>Greeks need to grow up

Macedonia needs to do it first. We have literally no claim whatsoever to Alexander and his legacy, this shit started 25 years ago when we declared independence from Yugoslavia because of our name, and it's been getting worse and worse these past 10 years because the governmwnt insists on provoking all our neighbors be it by claiming Alexander, or some Bulgarian and Serbian shit.

They spent hundreds of millions of Eurodollars to rebuild the capital in "Baroque style". Not only does it embarasa us in front of the whole world, but it's delusional - this place was rulled by the Ottomans when Europe was doing Baroque shit.

>We have literally no claim whatsoever to Alexander and his legacy

Then who does, though?
I think both Greece and FYROM can put up monuments relating to ancient Macedon, because ancient Macedon covered both areas.

Obviously Greece has the advantage of language familiarity, but that's not enough to make historical claims. Otherwise 50 Cent could claim to be related to medieval English kings.

I believe both Greece and FYROM/Yugoslavia "played dirty" in the 20th century, although lately FYROM seems to be doing more stupid shit.

I'm not him but...

>I think both Greece and FYROM can put up monuments relating to ancient Macedon, because ancient Macedon covered both areas.

...not really.

The ancient Macedonian language was a Greek language so Greeks can at least claim that, and also that they geographically exist in the same area, with the same capital and place of birth of Alexander falling within their borders, not to mention genetics. FYROM's are slavs that not only speak a totally unrelated language to Greek but moved in to the area much later historically with their own culture.

FYROM is kind of like if white people settled New Mexico recently, bringing their own culture and language, and then claimed to be the heirs of and descendants to the Aztecs, because they confused 'New Mexico' and 'Mexico' as being the same thing and because there's like that one minor Aztec ruin that happens to fall in their borders.

>I think both Greece and FYROM can put up monuments relating to ancient Macedon, because ancient Macedon covered both areas.

Please, FYROM barely has any Macedonian land. They're just a bunch of bulgarians with identity crisis. It's very clear that macedonians were hellenics and had nothing to do with slavs.

I don't understand this identity thing internet people have, specially /pol/tards. This whole We wuz (my favorite ethnic group here) seems very silly.

t. Jew

According to this charts 90% of the jew population in jewstan are nordic. What is your problem with that?

I just sympathize with greeks situation. Their country history and culture is being stolen by people who never had anything to do with it.

Nah I agree with you. I fail to sympathize with macedonians (After two thousand years of migrations, wars and conquering) suddenly become connect to the people that lived in that area in the past. Just like your new mexico analogy.

>The ancient Macedonian language was a Greek language so Greeks can at least claim that
I already mentioned that. It's not proof of ancestry. I can speak English without having anything to do with England.

>not to mention genetics
How do you compare the genes of ancient Macedonians?

>FYROM's are slavs that not only speak a totally unrelated language
Slavs _means_ they speak a Slavic language. Slav isn't a "race".

>moved in to the area much later historically with their own culture.
Or the people were Slavicized at some point, just like the "slavs" living in northern Greece (Macedonia region) were Hellenized in the 20th century, which is something pro-Greeks never mention.

>I can have a connection to England without having a connection to England
If you eat shoyu sauce you have a connection to japan and the first koji that was domesticated, the same for corn and Amerindians and other things.

Why do people say Adolf Hitler of Austria was German?
Why do people say Joseph Stalin of Georgia was Russian?

Because ancient Makedonians were far closer to modern Greeks than modern Slavic Macedonians are. Modern Macedonia isn't even centred on where Alexander's Makedonian kingdom was.

Don't you mean Iskender?

>FYROM is kind of like if white people settled New Mexico recently, bringing their own culture and language, and then claimed to be the heirs of and descendants to the Aztecs, because they confused 'New Mexico' and 'Mexico' as being the same thing and because there's like that one minor Aztec ruin that happens to fall in their borders.
That's exactly what Mexicans are doing actually. They wuz aztec

Alexander the Greek wasnt from FYROM
It's like if suddenly Albania called itself "Rome" and claimed that Caesar was from there

This. Plus Alexander was allowed to compete in the Olympics which is something regular was only allowed to Greek citizens. So the Greeks of the time considered him Greek.

nobody is saying todays greeks are like the ancient greeks, that's like saying italians are like romans
but alexander was greek and not macedonian

Macedonia was like bumfuck nowhere to greeks. But slightly greek.

THis may be the best post ive seen on Veeky Forums

>Alexander the """"""""""Greek""""""""""

Let's end this for real. If he was "GREEK" why does Hellenistic Greece (Our modern term for the time period AFTER his death) pretty much mean they were not Greeks?

>from Ancient Greek Ἑλληνιστής (Hellēnistḗs, "one who uses the Greek language")

Why do people like this post so much?

Did you not see the map? like 1/4 of FYROM used to be Macedonia, but what of the remaining 3/4? Why don't they feel they should connect more with the people who lived in those parts? It is one thing to appreciate the legacy of a people that used to live in/rule a part (1/4) of your country, and another to base your entire national identity around it. It might be different if FYROM is some type of "successor state" or "cultural descendants" to Macedon.

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>Telling the most powerful leader of the time to frick off because he isnt a "greek".

They considered him Greek otherwise he would have shoved a sarissa up their collective arses.

His relationship with the Greek states throughout his campaigns were not built on the most friendly of terms.

More Greek fought against him than with him.

The Greeks abhorred a foreign leader.

>The Greeks abhorred a foreign leader.
Good thing Alexander is GREEK.

He's neither FYROM or Modern Greek.

He's from ancient Macedon a mountain country to the North of Greece.

To the delusioned he could be from one of those other places.

He competed in the Olympics before he was even king, dumbass

As for stalin.

>the area was annexed by Russia in 1801. The latter's rule over Georgia was confirmed in 1813 through the Treaty of Gulistan with Qajar Iran. Following the Russian Revolution in 1917, Georgia obtained independence, though only briefly, and established its first-ever republic under German and British protection, only to be invaded by Soviet Russia in 1921 and subsequently absorbed into the Soviet Union as the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic.

>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)
>en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

When stalin was born, he was born in the russian empire.

fucking gold.
best post on this board right now.

He never competed in the Olympic games.

He refused.

Did you read Plutarch or are you just shitposting?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonia_(kingdom)

Are you people purposely ignoring the fact that Macedonia has claims on the northern Greek region of 'Makedonia'? You keep citing a map and throwing out arguments as if you read a quick wiki summary of the history of the region.

The Macedonian region was split up because of the Bucharest Treaty (1913). Within those regions lived large amounts of Macedonians and slavophones. It wasn't until after the Balkan wars the Greeks completely hushed the new minority and began to literally destroy any traces of slavs ever having lived there.

You can walk into places like 'Florina' and 'Kilkis' and start speaking Macedonian and the vast majority will understand what you're saying but are too afraid to reply.

Don't take my word for it. Read documented research and rethink your opinion:
hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/GREECE945.PDF

slav propaganda

Modern Macedonia is an artificial state created by Tito and Stalin. There is no "Macedonia", just western Bulgaria.

They carry the torch of Alexander's legacy.

so it was iwbro not imro?

Threadly reminder that IMRO fought for an independent (or at the very least autonomous) Macedonia.

someone screencap this

>I'm not from Balkans-Near East the post.

thanks for the laugh best neighbour

Ancient Macedonia didn't produce or have the same metal-making culture as the Mycenaean culture as the Mycenaean States did during the bronze age, so they weren't likely Hellenized until later.
The Alexander I and the Olympic affair argument, that people like to use as proof that Macedonians were eventually accepted in as Greeks, fails to see that his argument during that relied on his family being descended from Greek descendant, and not that Macedonians were. He was also given the "philhellene" / "friend of the Greeks" flattering title, that implies he wasn't Greek, despite no text suggesting he objected to it.
The Macedonian court up until Alexander the Great's time was also said to have used interpreters for Greek emissary from other states to translate Greek to them. Arrian, who goes by a narrative praising Alexander and going with the flow of him being Hellenic, also details the tension at Battle of Issus between the Macedonians of Alexander and the Greek mercenaries fighting for Darius, and brings up the rooted racial rivaly they had. There was also a sports incident (I think documented by some later Roman historian) where a contingent of Macedonians elected an athlete to compete (or fight, I forgot) against another athlete elected by Greeks (or Athenians) and had racial undertones to it.

That being said, this debate is plague by both ancient and political propaganda and biases that clouges the true details. I personally believe that Macedonians were their own independent ethnicity up until the 4th century, different from the Thracians, Illyrians, and Hellenes, where the aristocrats and those living in bordering regions knew Greek and adopted Hellenic culture, and further converted quickly during the early 4th century. It was essentially fully Hellenize after Alexander exploits by common conventional criteria.

>racial

Also, although Alexander and many Macedonians before him must've spoke Greek fluently, I advise caution as such as exactly making one "ethnically Greek" back then. Xenophon details in his Anabasis that Seuthes II, who employed the returning 10,000 Greek mercenaries after their famous feat of marching back to Greece after the Battle of Cunaxa in Persian territory, details his guest-friendship with him and the Greek army and Xenophon mentions at one point, that despite having an interpreter to use with communicating with him, he was pretty fluent in Greek and could listen to what people had to say on his own, that he probably picked up from the influence and important relations with the Greek coastal cities in his region. But despite this, he still considered himself and by others as Thracian, despite in his xenia relationship with Xenophon and the Greek mercenaries of bringing up the mythical connections to both of them.

Not racial in the modern sense, but perceived notion to them, back then, that they weren't of the same ethnicity.

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