Tell me about life inside the Mongol Empire.
What was the culture like? Was it really an empire or a glorified Mongolian grazing pen?
Tell me about life inside the Mongol Empire
Juan Young
Caleb Campbell
Grazing pen. The Empire deserves recognition for its role in Eurasian trade routes but little else. That map is more an 'area of where mongols fucked shit up and left'
They may leave behind a weak khanate in these uninhabited flat lands but little else.
If you want an empire that developed its conquests, look to Rome.
Gavin Martin
It was split into different Khanates that would intermix the local cultures with the one of the Mongols. Each then ruled by one of Genghis sons that would pretty much establish a dynasty in that region.
What people don't seem to understand about Tengrism is that it is a very flexible religion that allows the worship of other religions cause Mongols consider it as "another form of Tengri".
The only thing they had a real problem with was halal slaughter which Genghis himself considered a disgusting practice and would put the death penalty on anyone doing it.
This of course changed when the fragmentation started and the ilkhanate gradually became muslim with the Golden Horde.
Nathan Young
No fear of bandits
Massive postal service
Bride kidnapping banned
Silk Road completely open for the first time
Religious freedom and dialogue
Monks, scholars, and professionals pay no taxes
Comfy life based on trade
Colton Gomez
>Mongol Empire
>culture
Easton Ramirez
They didn't feel like the Empire existed at all due to how much of a non-entity Mongol governing structures were. ANyone who was non-central asian nomadnigger continued their lives under their own cultures.
Josiah Martin
Didn't some of Genghis' own grandsons convert to Islam?
Thomas Ortiz
Yes, Berke was the first to convert.
Which pretty much started the fragmentation after he got into a conflict with Hulagu for burning down Baghdad and killing the last rulers of the Abbasids there.
Noah Murphy
>Tell me about life inside the Mongol Empire.
Non existent if you lived in Persia
Ethan Peterson
Would Iran be massively more important if not for the Mongols?
Lincoln Morales
In terms of population and development it would have been better yeah. The Mongols really fucked their shit up
Michael Brooks
Completely exaggerated hyperbole there.
Noah Scott
>Ancient sources described Genghis Khan's conquests as wholesale destruction on an unprecedented scale in certain geographical regions, causing great demographic changes in Asia. According to the works of the Iranian historian Rashid al-Din (1247–1318), the Mongols killed more than 700,000 people in Merv and more than a million in Nishapur. The total population of Persia may have dropped from 2,500,000 to 250,000 as a result of mass extermination and famine.
>en.wikipedia.org
Just for comparison, the total number of people killed as a result of the Mongol conquests was about 60 million, so the notion of 2 million Persians dying in Iran wouldn't be too far-fetched.
IIRC one of the worst effects of the Mongol invasion was on the ecosystem of the areas they conquered. In the case of Central Asia and Iran they destroyed all of the underground aquifiers and irrigation systems, which ended up causing mass desertification of the region since the soil was no longer getting water. That's why modern day Turkmenistan and Eastern Iran is pretty much a desert nowadays.
There would also likely be more Persians/Iranic peoples outside of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan. Large parts of Uzbekistan would still be populated by Tajiks (Samarqand and Bukhara in particular).
Owen Martinez
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>more Persian/Iranic peoples outside of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan
>Large parts of Uzbekistan would still be populated by Tajiks
That has to do with the Turkic peoples, not the Mongols who started massacring more in the centuries before the Mongols showed up.
Jason Morales
Al-din never went to many of the cities, towns, or urban centers or even provinces in Persia (Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and parts of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan), that the Mongols hit. His testimony is limited and he also made other extensively outrageous claims that many of the Mongol leaders were Caucasian in appereance; he called out Genghis as being a red-headed green-eyed man which is patently untrue.
Persia's population of ethnic Persians and other Iranian peoples were signifigantly culled, I've seen historians and Iranianologists like Touraj cite numbers closer to to 40-45% of the population but there is no heavy accepted figure for Persia's immediate pre-Mongol invasion total population or its reduction.
Take these with a grain of salt.
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Gabriel Bailey
>The only thing they had a real problem with was halal slaughter
what about it was so offensive?
Jose Ramirez
Mongols were rarefags and disgusted at Islam's dislike of blood in their steak.
Tyler Adams
The red juices in a rare steak isn't even actual blood.
Henry Morris
>genghis had red hair
>patently untrue
Oh please, I'm not going to bother trying to confirm your source on other bullshit but this one is actually quite likely to be correct - even lots of modern day Mongols and Central Asians have red hair from the conquests.
Green eyes might be a bit far though.
Matthew Reed
Genghis' grandson Kublai had a portrait commissioned for his grandfather. The painting looked like your standard Mongolian man, and Kublai would have know what his own grandfather looked like.
It's very well possible the red hair remark wasn't meant to be taken literally.
Brandon Young
Religions such as Sikhism and Hinduism take offence to Halal as they view blessing the slaughter of an animal, as passing the responsibility onto God. It's more preferable to take responsibility for your own action when it comes to killing another creature.
Michael Parker
For the most destitute it was probably like those beggars in the old Nazi documentary on Tibetans, though the mass slaughters in the places they battled in would have kept the amount of displaced and orphans reduced. Mongols like the Huns before them were mainly preoccupied with exacting tithes and conquering other peoples and using their wealth to enjoy booze, grub, and women while paying little attention to the administrative maintenance of their empire, which is why it collapsed as soon as there was any infighting among the khans.
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Owen Thomas
>Tell me about life inside the Mongol Empire.
It was great if you were a Mongol.
Ride your horse everywhere, herd your sheep and horses around vast open spaces, drink all day, raid and pillage when you need money, fuck lots of different exotic qt girls.
Benjamin Gutierrez
>as they view blessing the slaughter of an animal, as passing the responsibility onto God.
A differing perspective - that's obviously not the way muslims would see it.
Hindus are anal about halal because of cow worship and being generally vegetarian; as for Sikhs I know not but the meme that Sikhs are muslims foes is bullshit as there have been great friendships between sufis and gurus throughout history.
Owen Butler
Rashid Al Din never seen Genghis.