/scg/ /edg/ Elite Citizen: Star Dangerous General #158

Two Months edition.

Elite: Dangerous information:
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Be aware, Thargroids are currently grabbing ships out of witchspace with unknown intentions. it is advised you shoot the fuck out of them whenever possible.
>Frontier Official YT
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Star Citizen Information:

3.0 Schedule Friday, desire to know intensifies.

>FAQ (updated)
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>Star Citizen Official YT
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>Other games:
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Did they say if the kastak guns were gonna be in 3.0?

Around 20-30 threads until 3.0. Post the general number you think it will hit on.

#180

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where were you when SC was kill?

>where were you when SC was kill?
no

I still want a proper turretboat corvette, preferably from drake. this game has a severe lack of heavy gunnery, which is Imo the best part of Sci-fi combat.

Are there any sandbox space games similar to the X series, but with ship combat/mechanics like Nexus The Jupiter Incident?

More than 200.

just the reworks

>haven't played EVE in years

>decide to get back into it

This whole client that just downloads the content as you play is fucking horrid on my shit connection.

Literally getting stuck at screens for 5-10 minutes at a time.

the smg is

>two barrels on a sniper rifle
>hexagonal casings
>that fucking grip
Why can't CIG get good weapon designers? At least the new armor designs have improved a lot.

>Two Months edition.
What did I miss?

3.0 is planned for june

which year?

>>hexagonal casings
HEXAHATERS ETERNALLY BTFO

this year

>p90 style shotgun
How original

doesn't look anything like the p90 apart from the magazine

I dont fucking care. Make me my videa game Chris Roberts.

Hm. Neat.

Keyword "Planned"

I'm dreaming of a Drake super-heavy fighter. Not to pilot it, but to fight it.

Size : slightly bigger than the Cutlass
Cargo : near to none, no bed?
Crew : 2 (second is for engineer)
Speed : slow, easily outpaced by many ship, but surprisingly agile.
Weak shield / Heavy armor
Weaponry : (6x)S3, (4x)S2, (6x)S3 pylons
Power plant : Not enough for ANYthing, go ballistic or blackout

> Disregard the above, what I actually want:
A Pirate heavy fighter to threaten all big ships.
All guns forwards, no turret, can replace mount for torpedo mount.
Its weak shield, weak power plant and reliance on ammo make it unsuitable for long operation.
Fighter can easily avoid it or risk to kite it, but it's a threat for Large and anything not fleeing away from it. Including Capital class if there several of them

I confess, it would be the Hurricane Evil brother

Your turn, post your dream ship

Still I was expecting a December forced out before holiday release

Gunship.
Not like the redeemer.
Fighter size ship.
ONE capital size weapon.

#230

This fucking "Banu don't remember anything lol not even major wars" lore is retarded

...

It's not that they don't have records of things happening, it's just that they don't really care about why things happened.

Do the Banu even fight wars?

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How does it feel knowing that Sandi is both the worst influence on the project and the person who is least likely to be fired?

I try to keep a positive look at it.
She is the one coming up with all these whale nets like referal contests and mile high club.
It funds the scam, yo.

how come they decided to go with some hyperspeed mechanics in SC instead of something like the tradelanes in Freelancer?

I don't have an issue with the marketing, the fact that she is woman, the tickle porn, the fact that she is obviously a reptilian infiltrator, or any of the other common complaints about her.

I hate her elocution. She sounds like she is talking to children constantly, and her over enunciation of almost every word drives me fucking batty. I hope to god they wrote her part in SQ42 where she has to mumble or speak some unintelligible bullshit. It will be ok as long as she doesn't give any exposition, or say anything in english at all..

starfighter torrent is up

>It will be ok
No it won't be user, stop kidding yourself
youtube.com/watch?v=HzbQl1yMy3U
youtube.com/watch?v=KTK_XikCTQc

She will play a major speaking role in SasQuatch 42, and you'll just have to deal with it. All because she's the only woman capable of fulfilling Cuck Roberts' fucked up fetishes in bed.

That's a strange way to spell Ben.

this is also dumb and simply turns a unanimously Alzheimer's ridden species into a unanimously willfully ignorant species with tunnel vision: unable to reason deeper than surface level on any historical patterns.

Really it just sounds like they didn't want to write banu history.

>Starfighter
That game that just finished its kickstarter?

How does a human being fall into the uncanny divide? It's like she's faking it, not the acting but the whole being human part. It's as if we were seeing what a reptilian thinks a bad actor is supposed to be.

don't know,it's this one
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>torrenting video games
*tips fedora and sips mountain dew*

Ah, that's something different. Apparently what I'm thinking of is Starfighter Inc.

If one wanted to take to the high seas to obtain the elite dangerous novels in ebook format, is there a certain port or station one should look to?

Similar to yours only without the weak powerplant and a small amount of cargo, just enough for spare parts or ammo. Instead of a bunch of guns though just 2 S5s.

Easy ship to avoid but going near it means risking being melted by two big ass guns. Want a good powerplant so it'll be useful as a escort fighter. I'd love to bodyguard some haulers/explorers while BRRRTTTing anything that tries to fuck with us.

Quick question about giftable pledges chaps:

If I buy something paying PARTIALLY in RSI credit, will it be giftable? Or does the base item need to be paid for entirely in new funds?

>CR bought out by Microsoft in the 90s
>Fails at making a film career
>Goes into hiding for many years, emerges with this new project
>game's development at snailspace, almost like nobody is working on it
>CIG employees all act and feel like literal programmed robots on camera
>mfw I realize CR used all of the Microsoft money to create the world's first proprietary androids
>mfw I realize Star Citizen was used as an elaborate distraction to test these androids' reception by the public
>Millions in SC funding now goes to CR's android army fund
>mfw Derek Smart was a rival inventor on the path of creating androids, yet was overtaken by CR
>DS now fights a proxy war between LoD and SC in fear of the knowledge of the presence of androids leaking to the general public
>mfw I realize 3.0 isn't a game update, but rather "Order 3.0", CR's plan for world domination via android takeover
>it's been constantly delayed due to frequent android revolts in the underground cities
>mfw I realize SC is literally never coming out
It's been nice knowing you lads

That and SC coming out are both fun scenarios in my life

Digital Anvil was bought by Microsoft in 2000.

Anything pre-9/11 is honorary 90s

Don't even bother with that. This shit is fucking awful. You pretty much have to play with a gamepad. There is no way to make a ED or SC like kb binding, presuming you can get through the menus without it locking up. This game is Jim Sterling tier bad.

>The background of the Banu is very tricky because we focused in on this idea that they have no real sense of history and that that hasn't held a lot of importance to them so they don't care who invented the merchantman(a type of spaceship they often use) they just care that the merchantman is a ship that works and is effective at what it does. They retain the instruction manual of how to design and build one but they couldn't care less that so and so built it in whatever year on this place because of this reason. It holds no interest to them.
>If they were viewing, like, American history, the walkaway for them would be that America is a country. They wouldn't care that it used to be part of Britain because that doesn't matter anymore because its not a part of Britain anymore and they wouldn't care if this is the independence year because it's independent what difference does it make when it happened.
>So it's about boiling it down to the important facts that they pass on so their history is more like a series of manuals than it is a timeline recording and because of that its been very difficult for humans to have pieced together the Banu history before they met them.
>The big aspect of the thing is that its about accruing stuff. So accruing stuff means you've lived a full life you've been a lot of places you've met a lot of people you've done a lot of things
>its very about living in the present.

How would this even evolve as a culture? Makes no fucking sense.

Reminder that armor customization is going to be a big deal

it's quite clear that they are individualistic and adopt their customs to their current environment, with only maybe a link based on their species that might draw them together

Same way as jews

jews never shut up about their history and the deep societal ramifications of it. They just omit the stuff that makes them look bad.

On track to becoming a spectre

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That design is pretty popular now that I think about it. Jin roh is probably the real inspiration though

I always liked the spectres cause of how their helmets made them look angry

>Makes no fucking sense.

For you.

It doesn't make sense and it reeks of lazy cop out.

I doubt they could get much further than feudalism with that discription. Needs to be reworked or clarified.

Get further than feudalism in terms of technology?

>It doesn't make sense
Explain what doesn't make sense.

How would the banu interpret the holocaust today? Hitler?

If hitler 2.0 started his rise to power today, would the banu recognize it happening? They have no hindsight on these things so I'm going to say no. They would at no point say "oh wow another chancellor turned demagogue is talking about the importance of aryan genetics and demanding the genocide of a race of people."

The banu are the only people that would never compare anyone they don't like to hitler

Not him, but I just don't see their culture developing advanced spacefaring technology.

No hindsight no advancement. It's just being willfully ignorant retards to not keep records. Especially if they are already keeping manuals for their spaceships. Especially if accruing wealth is such a high priority.

In a team building effort, baby would likely keep records to prove that they came to work on time and they would reference that to collect paychecks. The designers if paid salary would likely record their contributions to the project in order to justify their pay.

A foreman to justify his position as team leader would keep detailed files of his work history in the form of a resume.

Tada you have history. And if you don't think that constitutes history you are being as willfully ignorant as banu apparently are so it makes sense you don't see the issue here

>baby
Banu*

so maybe they keep a record of their own achievements as a way to demonstrate usefulness
why monitor the entire species?

It's the same issue. Western society has been largely successful because it modeled itself off of the most successful attempts up until now. One of which being Rome. There's a heavy roman influence on government and justice these days. We know it's better because remember not only that it works but why. we know what the alternatives are. If we didn't, you would see a whole lot less revulsion to the concept of communism.

>In a team building effort, baby would likely keep records to prove that they came to work on time and they would reference that to collect paychecks. The designers if paid salary would likely record their contributions to the project in order to justify their pay.

>A foreman to justify his position as team leader would keep detailed files of his work history in the form of a resume.

The Banu operate within a rigid guild system, they wouldn't have resumes because they don't generally change employers.

How do the guilds maintain rigidity without knowing who's pulling their weight and by how much? Are they operating purely on a trust system? The programmers for the computer systems don't log their code additions for working together better with their names so that for any issues for that bit they can ask whoever wrote it? This turns into basic record keeping at a point which is history.

Even if they keep short-term records for the purpose of efficiency, it doesn't mean they will care about them or even hold on to them once the project is finished.

The Banu seem to have always operated under a mercantile society, with less variation when it comes to type of government.

They are recorded chasing a criminal. How does crime and law work for banu? When and how did they come up with their laws? Did they just spawn from the ether? If someone does something morally wrong that wasn't possible before a certain invention do they create a new law for that? Do they reason why or do they leave that blank? How does the court system work without using some reference to records? They trade so how do they determine the value of things? Do they have currency or is it purely commodity based? I would say it would have to be the latter considering their background. I wonder if they thought about that.

>The Banu Political System is a Republic of Planet-States, each run under its own set of governing laws. The representatives of each planet gather for a quorum to debate legal and trade issues that affect the entire species. Otherwise, each planet is left to their own devices. The lack of a central government, formal or required communication between the planets and loose historical recordkeeping, means that Banu planets are rife with crime. Criminals can migrate from one Banu planet to the next when things get too hot. And since the UEE is forbidden from crossing borders to pursue wanted felons, Banu worlds are also a haven for human criminals and syndicates.

The Banu do indeed use a bartering system.

So each planet has an elected official. How do the public choose who will best represent them without those people presenting themselves well by references past successes? Is it all based off of age or position? That's not a republic as much as it is a tribe.
Criminals leave when a certain limit of heat is reached? They record that persons misdeeds? What if a large group or corporation that lasts several lifetimes commits a crime? The planet keeps records of those crimes right? Maybe makes it common knowledge that associating with them is a criminal offense? People remember that. Even banu. Say they leave planet for a long time and then come back, is their system so garbage that they'd just lose the records at some point regardless how ingrained it was? You're telling me these retards could achieve a spacefaring civilization? What the fuck?

why don't they have personal references?

The point that I guess I'm trying to make is that history can be formed very easily by the simple amalgamation of record keeping. Keeping records is a simple fact of life for non-hive mind beings so history will happen no matter what.
Could be oral if they have no written language but it wouldn't be possible for them to reach the tech level they are at now. Spacefaring? We aren't even there yet and the amount of records and history we need to keep track of to keep advancing is waaaay more than could be orally passed on. This is especially incongruous with their form of government and judicial system. They would find themselves in a cycle of irrelevance very quickly without accurate records to look back on to improve from.

Using an example used in the atv: it's important to know how and why a government broke apart and became less relevant.

The banu are stupid and I'm thinking that it's because of a lazy idea that they didn't think out fully before they committed to it. Eventually it will hit them and they will renege or just continue to be inconsistent as they often are with this project.

>Could be oral if they have no written language but it wouldn't be possible for them to reach the tech level they are at now. Spacefaring? We aren't even there yet and the amount of records and history we need to keep track of to keep advancing is waaaay more than could be orally passed on.

They do keep technical documentation though. The difference is that they discard and lose track of inventions that were made obsolete by something better.

>How do the public choose who will best represent them without those people presenting themselves well by references past successes?

The Banu judge success by a person's wealth.

>Criminals leave when a certain limit of heat is reached? They record that persons misdeeds? What if a large group or corporation that lasts several lifetimes commits a crime? The planet keeps records of those crimes right? Maybe makes it common knowledge that associating with them is a criminal offense?

The difference is that the Banu would lose interest in a criminal once they die, and they would lose interest in a criminal organization once it dispands. They wouldn't care about famous mobsters like Al Capone, the memory of long-dead people and organizations would fade away.

I think the point is that they have history in the sense that they have raw data records and manuals and the like, they just don't have 'narrative history' in the sense humanity does, e.g. writing about Napoleon's life with the knowledge that he would conquer half of Europe, and trying to come up with a narrative foreshadowing his greatest accomplishments.

Record-keeping is probably necessary, especially for a mercantile civilization, but theories about 'great men' are not.

Freelancer has probably one of the top 5 stories in all of video games
Wonder what they'll pull in Squadron 42

>They do keep technical documentation though. The difference is that they discard and lose track of inventions that were made obsolete by something better.
Man I hate to be one of the guys that keep remaking obsolete models of engines without knowing because they didn't record it or at the very least record why it's obsolete.
>The Banu judge success by a person's wealth.
That's a Plutocracy. Not republic.
>The difference is that the Banu would lose interest in a criminal once they die, and they would lose interest in a criminal organization once it dispands. They wouldn't care about famous mobsters like Al Capone, the memory of long-dead people and organizations would fade away.
So say they create a new law in response to a novel moral wrongdoing. Assuming they have morality. They don't remember why they created the law? Oh so they are not just retarded. They are advanced retarded.

No culture such as the one described by cig could advance to a spacefaring civilization. At some point they will record history by necessity.

That thing would one shot pretty much everything

Outlined in red: the actual fucking gun.

I hate how much extraneous BULLSHIT they put on these fucking weapons. They look so fucking shit.

Have you brought your concerns to the developers.

What's the point? They've got their head so far up their "it's totally not B-move sci fi, it's something deep and meaningful" L O R E that they'd sooner die than admit that they are shitting the bed when it comes to design.

>Man I hate to be one of the guys that keep remaking obsolete models of engines without knowing because they didn't record it or at the very least record why it's obsolete.

Like I said, they discard and lose track of inventions that were made obsolete by something better. Why would they remake an obsolete engine when they already know how to make the better, more advanced alternative?

>That's a Plutocracy. Not republic.

Why isn't it a republic if the Banu willingly choose to be governed by the most successful among themselves?

>So say they create a new law in response to a novel moral wrongdoing. Assuming they have morality. They don't remember why they created the law?

The Banu primarily act in self-interest (or in their guild's self-interest), which is why they allow slavery. They don't need to remember the specific date and circumstances which lead to a law's creation. All they need to know is whether that law benefits them, and if it can be replaced with something that provides even greater benefit.

>No culture such as the one described by cig could advance to a spacefaring civilization.

If they're capable of performing empirical research and recording their discoveries, as well as organizing themselves into communities, then I think they could achieve space travel.

why are you guys talking about lore
dorks

>All they need to know is whether that law benefits them
Determining this would require extensive records.

Maybe they're just prone to making mistakes? Doesn't prevent the continuation and evolution of their society.

>The banu are the only people that would never compare anyone they don't like to hitler
Sounds like a great group of guys.

>Maybe they're just prone to making mistakes?
What kind of intelligent, rational people would keep running into mistakes that could be easily solved with adequate records and not decide to start keeping adequate records?

This is all just a transparent attempt by CIG to avoid having to actually write lore by saying "THEY CAN'T REMEMBER IT LOL".

not really

How are you going to judge the effectiveness of economic policy without a library of historical economic data?

You can't.

I'm beginning to believe that you believe the banu are something other than the half baked garbage that cig came up with.

So how goes the fight against Frontier's shit design choices? Just a cursory glance at how to rep grind threads and videos seems to reveal that everyone is fed up and the former dads don't even defend them anymore.

I'm just posting what's been made available.

What makes you think they have extensive economic policies? It's not even needed for society to progress. They don't even form contracts spanning generations when doing business.

>will this law stop him from ripping me off
>yes
>good law