>practice farming (ants fungus, aphids, scale bugs and mealy bugs etc... )
>practice agriculture (ants farm fungus, plants etc)
>build cities/nations consisting of billions
>highly structured and complex society
>cities consisting of fortification, food storage, nurseries, brothels etc..
>have extensive and complex communication systems
>b-but they are insects, they arent supposed to civilized
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The structure of the ant cities is very complicated. Inside the mound is an extensive system of tunnels and conduits that serves as a ventilation system (air conditioning) for the underground nest. In order to get good ventilation, the termites will construct several shafts leading down to the cellar located beneath the nest. The mound is built above the subterranean nest. The nest itself is a spheroidal structure consisting of numerous gallery chambers. They come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. Some, like Odontotermes termites build open chimneys or vent holes into their mounds, while others build completely enclosed mounds like Macrotermes. The Amitermes (Magnetic termites) mounds are created tall, thin, wedge-shaped, usually oriented north-south.
one ant nation was estimated to contain 306 million worker ants and one million queen ants living in 45,000 nests interconnected by underground passages over an area of 2.7 km2 (670 acres).
it was demonstrated that the largest Japanese, Californian and European Argentine ant supercolonies were in fact part of a single global "megacolony".[5]
Another supercolony, measuring approximately 100 km (62 mi) wide, was found beneath Melbourne, Australia in 2004
bump because this thread is interesting
I find termites to be very sophisticated animals. They build massive structures and have other aspects that could be civilized such as fungi farming. One thing that I find interesting about them when compared is that they don't go to war with other colonies or species.
Honey pot ants are essentially living food storage
>the picture
I hope all of you realize a brown bear would kill a gorilla 10 out of 10 times, right? Gorillas are very strong, bears are word-endingly strong.
>used to dig up ant nests and genocide them all
>shove the hose into their tunnels and flood them
>crush hundreds of them
>force different ant species to fight to the death
>feed ants to spiders
Why are children so cruel
You also forgot about the nomadic not steppe people legion-ants OP
Not if you teach gorilla how to use spear
don't try to derail, this isn't /b/
>post unrelated pic
>complain when people talk about it
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crazy ant best ant
But can they transfer information to one another?
Invertebrates cannot feel pain, their body parts being simple can regenerate meaning they dont have to care about losing a limb or two because its gonna grow back, its only when life lose regeneration that it developed pain.
I always figured bears were much more sluggish. Wrong or right but insignificant?
Ants communicate with each other using pheromones, sounds, and touch
Sounds may be used to communicate (language) with colony members or with other species.[77][78]
Pheromone communication in ants: a detailed analysis of concentration-dependent decisions in three species
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Chapter 5Chemical Communication in the Honey Bee Society
Ant societies have division of labour, communication between individuals, and an ability to solve complex problems.[10] These parallels with human societies have long been an inspiration and subject of study.
This is why historic materialism is retarded.
Civilisation is about religion, art, philosophy, science. Not about being cramped in the biggest cities or complex economies.
Ants have advanced learning skills
Many animals can learn behaviours by imitation, but ants may be the only group apart from mammals where interactive teaching has been observed. A knowledgeable forager of Temnothorax albipennis will lead a naive nest-mate to newly discovered food by the process of tandem running. The follower obtains knowledge through its leading tutor. The leader is acutely sensitive to the progress of the follower and slows down when the follower lags and speeds up when the follower gets too close.[94]
Controlled experiments with colonies of Cerapachys biroi suggest that an individual may choose nest roles based on her previous experience. An entire generation of identical workers was divided into two groups whose outcome in food foraging was controlled. One group was continually rewarded with prey, while it was made certain that the other failed. As a result, members of the successful group intensified their foraging attempts while the unsuccessful group ventured out fewer and fewer times. A month later, the successful foragers continued in their role while the others had moved to specialise in brood care.[95]
ants maintain the nest temperature by choosing the location, nest materials, controlling ventilation and maintaining the heat from solar radiation, worker activity and metabolism, and in some moist nests, microbial activity in the nest materials.[99]
Nests may be protected from physical threats such as flooding and overheating by elaborate nest architecture.[90][91] Workers of Cataulacus muticus, an arboreal species that lives in plant hollows, respond to flooding by drinking water inside the nest, and excreting it outside.[92] Camponotus anderseni, which nests in the cavities of wood in mangrove habitats, deals with submergence under water by switching to anaerobic respiration.[93]
>practice farming (ants fungus, aphids, scale bugs and mealy bugs etc... )
Myrmecophilous caterpillars of the butterfly family are herded by the ants, led to feeding areas in the daytime, and brought inside the ants' nest at night. The caterpillars have a gland which secretes honeydew when the ants massage them.
the aphids secrete the honeydew in response to ants tapping them with their antennae. The ants in turn keep predators away from the aphids and will move them from one feeding location to another. When migrating to a new area, many colonies will take the aphids with them, to ensure a continued supply of honeydew. Ants also tend mealybugs to harvest their honeydew.
Mealybugs may become a serious pest of pineapples if ants are present to protect mealybugs from their natural enemies
Fungus-growing ants that make up the tribe Attini, including leafcutter ants, cultivate certain species of fungus in the Leucoagaricus
Humans BTFO
Is ant communism done right?
>Civilisation is about religion, art, philosophy, science
>metaphysical dreamtime, pantheism, rock paintings
Aboriginal civilization is oldest and GOATest
#antssuck
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They can pass the mirror test.
I never understood the cuck meme, until I read this post.
Ants have their own shit.
Read E.O. Wilson, his sociobiology studies.
>biocommunism
ants practice it
humans dream it
fuck you delete this shit
they are not more intelligent than us they have really tiny brains, how can this be
Some animals have larger brains than us but are stupid as shit.
In truth it is not brain size that matters for intelligence but how well you can manipulate your surroundings.
Triggered by a picture for ants.
Read Wilson it's the social structure that is intelligent.
That makes smarter individuals.
What is going on in this pic?
They are just insects. It isn't like they can wage world war or something!
Ants helping with an ingrown toenail apparently.
Bumping because this is incredibly interesting
Is this the right time to bring up how chimps are learning how to group hunt with spears?
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that is pretty interesting
shame for them though we were first and unless we make ourselves extinct they won't be reaching civilization status
They eat infected tissue, just like they do with fly larvae.
Small species of ants do all sort of crazy things, like being atracted to electronics.
Not so sure about that, time will tell.
>One thing that I find interesting about them when compared is that they don't go to war with other colonies or species.
Termites do 'go to war' like any other species. They are simply waiting, waiting for us to become complacent, so they can take back what is rightfully theirs.
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>Slave-making ants are brood parasites that capture brood of other ant species to increase the worker force of their colony. After emerging in the slave-maker nest, slave workers work as if they were in their own colony, while parasite workers only concentrate on replenishing the labor force from neighboring host nests, a process called slave raiding.
There is literally nothing wrong with slavery.
>Some animals have larger brains than us
Example?
Not him, but are you being retarded on purpose?
The sperm whale has the largest brain in the animal Kingdom. Tons of aquatic mammals have larger brains than us and Elephants have larger brains than us.
It only takes one time to see a bear in a frenzied state to erase that thought. They're really fucking scary.
Elephants, orcas, dolphins, and several species of whales.
We're smarter (as far as we know) than all of them.
The human brain is DENSE however. Very dense. Our brains are made up of neurons. Each neuron is pretty dumb.
Ants are smart because each "neuron" of an "ant-brain" is a single ant that is capable of more than a human neuron. All it takes is for an ant-brain to learn how to learn and things change rapidly.
Bees are amazing. Born fully grown, on the job Day One. Bred for their jobs, they do them until they drop dead.
A honey bee has a dance that is beyond human comprehension. It can tell the rest of the bees by turning in circles, and shaking its tail in the right direction where the pollen on it came from.
And the bees can take 5 or 6 of these instructions and plot a flight path to those 5 or 6 sites minimizing the flight time and distance, and hitting all of them.
It's unreal.
> don't know the order from largest to smallest of all brains in animal kingdom
> Ur a retard 4 not knowing this factoid
I do however know large animals can have tiny brains, so I asked a question, you retard.
Thanks
It's pretty much common knowledge, no need to be so mad. I mean, it's not like it's such a basic question you could have googled it came to the conclusion and saved yourself the embarrassment.
Newfriend.
>It's pretty much common knowledge
It literally isnt
>embarrassment
This is an anonymous imageboard
That humans don't have the largest brains? yeah, yeah it is. That brain size isn't directly related to 'brain power'? Most certainly.
Then why are you and him replying?
Neither is common knowledge
If you say so.
American schooled retard.
Nothing better to do I guess
> don't know factoid
> Ur a tard
Dumbass
It is literal common knowledge hahaha, look how mad you are at not knowing something so little. It's okay user. You don't know what you don't know. Maybe before asking such a basic question you should use google.
What ever helps you sleep at night though.
While you are arguing what is common knowledge ants and bees will take over the world.
>It is literal common knowledge
They're not though
YOu can keep saying that all you want dude, there is nothing I can say when faced with pure ignorance.
You can stop at anytime, this is actually getting embarrassing, for me and you.
Prove it's common knowledge then
Make a twitter poll
Kek, that's up to you, and requires some form of social skills you are probably lacking which is why you are fervently pursuing this argument.
If you are wondering what I mean, you have to go outside and ask some other, real people.
(I mean it's not like 3 anons replied to you (extremely timely for a slow board) giving you evidence that maybe it might just be common knowledge)
(maybe)
First poster gave essentially first hit on google, second poster knows his shit, might be the ant fan boy hanging around and you gave no answer at all.
Anyway, you made the claim, you can prove it.
>Anyway, you made the claim, you can prove it.
Kek. I suppose you want me to prove god exists as well. Hang on while I grab my cam corder and hit the streets with a fun Q & A so I can prove you wrong!
You are an actual, overweight idiot. Aren't you?
People on Veeky Forums aren't common
This thread makes you think, what's the end goal of a species, "civilization", or survivability of the whole.
Would a "civilised" species, with our construct achievements of art, law, and lore be more worthy than an "uncivilized" species with almost guaranteed survival, through hardiness and numbers?
I think not. Who's to say that we are more successful as a species than ants, grass, dust mites? Nothing really. We have ensured our survival almost all equally well.
Just make a poll on facebook.
Yes, it's all those religious threads that devolve into shitfests here.
>We have ensured our survival almost all equally well.
Wrong. Show me an animal which is as close as us as getting off of this godforsaken rock that is constantly hurdling towards our sun.
Technology is the ultimate form of evolution and will ensure any species survival that is capable of utilizing it. We will soon exist in a space which is unfit for almost all life on Earth.
>implying I have enough facebook friends
nou.
You just need a few hundred to calculate results for a larger pool.
The bees went somewhere, man. Just sayin'.
>You just need a few hundred to calculate results for a larger pool.
>this is an accurate statistic
>and not modelling what ever you want
Truly an ignorant millennial.
And those dust mites, ants, and grass will come with us.
>And those dust mites, ants, and grass will come with us.
And that has literally nothing to do with them? Their survival is ensured BY US (and technology), which is entirely different than evolution ensuring survival of a species.
Dude if never watched an elephant and asked yourself how big their brain are, there's not saving you.
It's not about common knowledge, how do you expect to cope with a discussion about animal intelligence, if you can't even ask yourself such a simple question.
> he actually thinks you need to poll everyone or even the majority to get accurate results
> doesn't know statistical trends tend to continue regardless of size of pool
> calling other people retarded
Tiptopkeks
And you'd be the one calculating everything so on top of it all you're outing yourself as a dishonest fuckwit.
>Their survival is ensured BY US
Our survuval is ensurec by bees
>muh human ego
Are you retard
>Their survival is ensured BY US
Only in so much as our survival is ensured by our resources.
To them we're another resource to be exploited.
They're still given guaranteed survival, damned be the reasons.
Humans will want to replicate earth wherever we go, and while there is "earth" they will thrive.
Might even evolve to live on Mars, or maybe venus.
>Our survuval is ensurec by bees
For now, but the point is, when we properly utilize technology - that will no longer bee the case. No other animal has that ability. No other animal does it 'willingly'.
What?
>muh we are the same as all other animals
Fuck off, life is a competetion. Evolution gave us the tools to win, and we did. Stop hating the game - we are simply the best this planet has to offer, deal with it.
>we are simply the best this planet has to offer
By what metric? You stay alive long enough to reproduce, and so does an ant.
Both have met the goals.
What did we win? And what is the price? And how to i get that price?
I wish that would be the case, but much of our human technology and resources heavily depend on animals and plants, we don't take them with us to space, because they're leeches, we need them.
Ants have their own methods of territorial expansion and they work, regardless of human intervention.
Are you american?
>By what metric? You stay alive long enough to reproduce, and so does an ant.
>Both have met the goals.
What? By metric of technolgy, stop being facetious. I mean I have been saying it over and over, technology is the end game of Evolution. Technology is essentially evolution humans create and control. Birds had to evolve the ability to fly over potentially millions of years, we created a plane and flew in a matter of hundreds.
>You stay alive long enough to reproduce
We do, so long as ants no longer fulfill their purpose, we will not keep them alive. Assuming it becomes detrimental to keep them alive of course. The slave is not better than the master.
pic related.
Huh? Almost nothing we do today relies on any animals. Unless you want to go the route of, bee's and their pollination, which is valid but is obviously ignored for the purposes of this argument.
Machinery dominates our modern life. Of course there are still people out there who rely on animals to do work. But I mean, in this modern world it's becoming essentially not morally acceptable to use animals anymore, because we can use machinery.
Knowing there are animals with bigger brains might not be common knowledge but it darn sure is basic ass common fucking sense
How retarded do you have to be to not imagine a fucking whale would have a bigger brain than a human
Also, it's kinda common knowledge that there have been some human species before us who had bigger brains (neanderthal maybe?)
Society it's the end game of evolution, you can be last human hugging a bomb, and you'll look like a retard.
City life really do a number on you, where do you think all that materials for technology comes from?
It's not just the bees that does polinization,there also animals that keep population of dangerous species, that could probably fuck our shit up, under control, like mosquitoes that carry diseases.
Without natural predators for them you'll have to use pesticides and end with genetic defects and cancer in no time.
We actually slowed enviromental destruction in the last years, that's why you are still here able to claim this bullshit, but if we go back to full enviromental destruction, survival of the fittest, we'll be the idiots holding the last bomb.
But what about 10 billion lions?
10 billion lions vs 10 billion bears: bears would win. They are way heavier and when wrestling it mostly comes down to that.
10 billion bears plus 10 billion lions vs 10 billion gorillas with spears: gorillas would win
Technology is merely means to an end. Everything we invent benefits us, and those benefits greater or chance of survival.
Other animals can ensure their survivability to the exact same extent but through other means.
>Birds had to evolve the ability to fly over potentially millions of years, we created a plane and flew in a matter of hundreds.
How long did it take humans to evolve the intelligence and accumulation to fly? It took longer than birds did through evolution, because they were already flying. I'm not saying it isn't wonderful, but you we were late to the flying game since other animals already did it.
>Other animals can ensure their survivability to the exact same extent but through other means.
That's factually wrong though. We are not quiet there yet, but we will get off this rock. Every single species that survives to the point where Earth loses it's orbit will die, because they could not get off the rock. It's a very, very long time away. But I mean it's still coming. It's something we will not be subject to, and unless animals evolved the means to utilize technology before that time, they will all die, unless we take them off this rock.
> but you we were late to the flying game since other animals already did it.
Wha?
>How long did it take humans to evolve the intelligence and accumulation to fly?
Arguably 40,000 years. I took arguably millions for birds to gather to ability, and now their whole life revolves around flying, ours does not - it's just one thing we are capable of thanks to technology. We also fly much better than all animals on earth (higher, faster and longer).
You made literally no points.
What makes you think that we will be the only species leaving? There is bacteria in our stomachs, dust on our ships, and other things. They will live while we live. They are winning just as much at being alive.
Now think of the first life form on earth that we all descend from.
The first "birds" that would evolve millions of years later were flying for millions of years before our primate-ape-human selves began flight in the last 200 years.
Society as the end game of evolution it's a pretty strong point.
Your individualistic view, it's not going to be helpful in the long run.
As I said technology and resources come from somewhere, and I know as a fact that many people will refuse to do their jobs if their don't have their pets taking care of, (that's just a strawman but if your not dumb, you'll see where I'm going with it) stoping your whole production chain.
Face it, without nature you are as useless as a brain in a jar.
Guys, I'm getting scared
>Turn out to be too small in order to make advanced computers or metallurgy
>to alien a body structure to make vocal communication possible, rely only on pheromones to communicate
>have no way to know these giant monsters are poisoning you because you can't taste or examine it in any way.
>if you do you can't ask them to stop because you are too alien a being for them to recognize your intelligence
>too small to manipulate fire, the most you get are embers that burn out quickly.
>too small to manipulate stones, they do nothing but become minor abstractions
>Write language can't work because they dirt falls away easily and you can't carve stone, and even then your eyes might not be able to read it
>so everything you have left is word of mouth lessons
>Literally stuck in pre stone age by your size.
there are approximately 1 million ants for every human on Earth.
>spacefaring species
Scientists have recently discovered what may be alien strands of bacterium in the upper atmosphere.
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Bacteria found to thrive better in space than on Earth
Fungi Survive Mars-Like Conditions On Space Station
Bacterial life survives in the stratosphere, making it a part of the biosphere
Fungus Feeds on Radioactivity: The Rise of Space Fungus
They have found sea plankton on the outside surface of the International Space Station. The implication is that it somehow gets into space hitching on water droplets.
B. safensis is no stranger to space travel either, having already hitchhiked on the Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity and Spirit in 2004.
water vapor escaping the earth's surface into space
Water vapor is a relatively common atmospheric constituent, present even in the solar atmosphere as well as every planet in the Solar System and many astronomical objects including natural satellites, comets and even large asteroids. Likewise the detection of extrasolar water vapor would indicate a similar distribution in other planetary systems. Water vapor is significant in that it can be indirect evidence supporting the presence of extraterrestrial liquid water in the case of some planetary mass objects.
Its signature has been detected in the atmospheres of the Sun, occurring in sunspots.
The brilliance of comet tails comes largely from water vapor