Religious threads on Veeky Forums will never have good...

>Religious studies is an actual academic field
Fair, but religious studies is why this exists. And is why the field is so highly subjective.

For your consideration - I know religion is capable of having objective discussion. But the religions you want to have these discussions about have been colluded to the point where they are shells of their former selves.

Faith, Hope and Love

Faith goes away when you can see the object of your faith; Hope goes away when you receive what was promised; Love endures, and is the greatest of these.

lol that's a hot opinion you have there, kiddo

religious ecstasy > fucking while candy flipping on the 4th of July

>religious studies is why this exists.

No, that exists because of arguments about theology. Are you sure you know what religious studies actually is as a field? It's basically describing the cultural elements and history of religions without arguing over what's right or "true' on a philosophical level. There's some amount of subjectivity, like any humanities, but it's as objective as history is (in fact, history is a big part of the field). It's entirely possible to talk about some elements of religion objectively. That's why religious studies is a different field than theology.

"no".

Okay, I am done with you, I tried.

I didn't mean faith in strictly defined theological terms, but as a shorthand for the religious experience in general, which encompasses all that. Agape is indeed the highest passion.

It's not my fault you don't what religious studies is or does as a field.

> religious ecstasy
Still outdone by truly good drugs

No.

Google what "candy flipping" is

t. experienced former drug user

The problem with religion is that it uses circular logic to prove its true.

>"My religion is true."
>"OK. Prove it."
>"Muh holy book is evidence."
>"Ok. Prove that your holy book is true."
>*quotes holy book*

So let's put it this way, if holy books proves your religion to be true, then shouldn't Islam be the one true religion? I mean it self claims it was direct from god, not to be translated, and never to be changed.

Unlike the Bible which was put together by a council of men that were supposedly guided by the spirit on orders from the Roman Emperor. Translated into god knows how many languages with different language meanings.

Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not murder.

Which is it?

> religious ecstasy
Is this Christian version of being euphoric?

> Which is it?
Islam and Catholicism literally have the same god.

tripstacy > "candy flipping"

What the fuck is with you Americans and your shit slang. Holy cow.

This.

>complains about hot opinions
>posts hot opinions

I'd be willing to bet if ranked based on the amount of specific neurotransmitters present, there are several drugs that can outrank any religious experience in sheer intensity. This is ignoring the fact that even a religious experience can be made stronger with certain drugs (LSD actually has a well deserved reputation for causing lasting psychological change and/or damage).

Not exactly. Catholics believe Jesus is the son of god. Also god and not god at the same time.

Muslims. Not so much.

In real life the conversation goes like this:
>"I believe that my religion is true."
>"OK. Prove it."
>"A proven religion wouldn't be a religion. Faith doesn't require proof. When faith acquires proof, it ceases to be faith, as it becomes knowledge. I don't have proof. I do have evidence, though. Muh holy book is evidence."
>"Ok. Prove that your holy book is true."
>"Like I said, I can't prove my religion to you, and muh holy book can only be taken as evidence toward my religion being true, not proof that it is true, and if you don't give my religion the benefit of the doubt, you'll just reject muh holy book as evidence because it recounts supernatural events which you deny a priori."
>*quotes The God Delusion*

You're just heaping speculation on speculation. Unless you've had a religious experience, you have no basis of comparison.

The phenomenon discussed in this thread is
>I have reason to believe that Yahweh, the Abrahamic God may have it's origins in El, as a monotheistic splinter group from the Caananite Pantheon
>Deus vult/Allah akbar, repent sinner for your lies
Partisanship prevents people from secularly studying religious history

There is tangible things like archeological and linguistic reconstruction to document the history of a religion versus the given history in a holy book

One may not be completely clear to us yet, but is objective. The other is easily self-serving.

Sorry. Didn't mean for this post to sound so accusatory.

I'll concede that faith certainly isn't the highest* passion that some people will or even can experience. Some people are physically incapable of experiencing certain mental/emotional states, including any form of passion in the case of certain forms of psychopaths.

*Note that I'm not using "highest" in just the sense of "most intense," although that is implied, but also in the sense of "noblest," etc, although like anything, the better it is, the worse it is when it goes bad.

Why do you assume that I haven't?

Well, even at that, you don't have much place complaining about opinion when what you tout is just opinion.

No topic on Veeky Forums gets "good, objective discussion."

Here, objective history debunks all proddies

Isn't it funny how Protshits deny the very thing this board is meant for

How can proddies even dare post here?

Because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you had.

A carefully considered opinion informed by various firsthand experiences as well as general observations of longterm historical trends, but yes, an opinion. Don't take the "hot opinion" comment too seriously. It's a meme.

Proddies should be banned from this Board

They deny history

>Because we wouldn't be having this conversation if you had.

That's a rather flippant statement. I have experienced many things, and while a religious experience was indeed intense, it was by no means the most intense thing I've ever experienced (ego death takes that cake).

Sorry but PROTNIGGERISM is false

>Turk

Out.

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Psalms 133:1Behold, how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity!

God doesn't exist. Christianity is a slave religion.

Islam is a slave religion and turks are subhumans.

I do not believe in religion but it important to my race so i respect it. Christianity and Islam however are slave religions imposed on us.

Yes but to imply that things like archaeology or linguistics can (((objectively prove))) things about God is naive at best and disingenuous at worst. To use your YHWH = Canaanite storm deity example, yes there are depictions of a deity that is labeled as YHWH but it does not follow that this the same deity discussed in the Bible. The Israelites were constantly wandering away from God to worship idols and these depictions of "YHWH" could just as easily be explained as the work of some apostate or outsider attempting to imitate the Hebrew God. But perhaps you'll counter by saying that these depictions predate the Hebrew bible. Again, that is true but it does not (((prove))) anything because the archaeological record is so incomplete. Perhaps there were writings that are now lost complaining about the fact that some renegades were perverting YHWH worship by making depictions of him. We just don't know.

*tips fedora

Don't mind me, just the most based religion on earth passin on through.

>God DAMN you people
You shouldn't say the lords name in vain.

This is a good discussion.