Non American muscle cars

I'm pretty sure this was heavier than the Mustang and Camaro at the time

can't really find any good pics of one but they don't look like the monaro at all, fairly sure the monaros were based off opels though so could do

Its also (at least in america) more famous for drag racing than almost anything else. when i think "built supra" i always think of thicc drag tires and a shit-ton of horsepower.

Funny how people in supercars get excited when they see a supra, i wouldnt really call it a muscle car it is beyond that.

Think its the same frame underneath, but its the droop snoot firenza that was going to be the British muscle car before the oil crisis. It was virtually unbeatable.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ocEXwEkDzcA

Everybody forgets, don't they?

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alfa romeo montreal

That thing had no power or sporting prowess, it was just a pretty cruiser.

>what are some good muscle cars that were not made in America?
Assembled in Canada

so its the mustang of Non American muscle

Doesn't count, leaf

HOW
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How has no one posted the Celica yet

Daily reminder that it's not a muscle car unless it has a V8

It was based on an Australian platform too.

Aussie muscle has already been mentioned, syrup sucker

It's not a muscle car

It was a Japanese Muscle Car
plus it's styling mirrored the Mustang at the time

>it's a "yuropoors think classic shitboxes are muscle cars" episode

This.

Is considered Japanese muscle to the japs due to the high displacement for their country.

>4 cylinders = muscle car

LOL

see

>vbands and t bolts in a factory engine bay

Tvr griffith

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not much of a car guy but are those big wheeled old muscle cars even nice to drive? i mean do they even handle good?

Why would non-Americans build muscle cars? The bloody things don't make any sense. At best we got some muscle car inspired designs in other places, but with cute four cylinder engines.

what about american kei cars?

They don't exist.

>That thing had no power or sporting prowess, it was just a pretty cruiser.
So its a muscle car then? Because that is literally the definition of one.

That fucking sound man.

>They don't exist.

80mm too long and 65cc too big of an engine but its close

And a complete piece of shit.

kei cars are pieces of shits

at least the Hot Shot has racing credentials and some actual interesting design

They're fine. You just gotta know the limits of the car very well

Not really a muscle car because the most powerful engine it had was a 3.0 v6 but was designed by the guy who made the mustang apparently so there's that.

A muscle car is:
>Cheap
>V8
>Relatively powerful
>RWD
>2 door

90% of the cars mentioned ITT aren't muscle cars:
>Aston Martin
>Jensen
>Jaguar
>Opel KAD
>Montreal
>TVR
>Mercedes AMG
Not cheap, not a muscle car.

>Spanish Dodge
>Volvo 262
>Nissan Z cars
>Supra
>300E AMG
>Kenmeri Skyline
>Celica
>Opel Rekord
>Ford Capri
Not a V8, not a muscle car.

>Aussie muscle
>V8 Volga
Not 2 door, not a muscle car.

>Camaro
>Mustang
Those are ponycars, not musclecars.

Nope. They're literally the shitboxes of their day, but with bright paint and big engines. Horrid in corners, horrid on the brakes, you sometimes have to fight them just to go in a straight line.

And then there's THIS level of autism.

Ok, Jag XJS or XK V8 fills this criteria

Not sure about why it has to be a V8 exclusively, and the 2door thing seems a bit arbitrary but too many people are posting GT cars ITT

>Ok, Jag XJS or XK V8 fills this criteria
Nope, too expensive.

>Not sure about why it has to be a V8 exclusively
Because muscle cars are, by definition, powered by a V8.

>Because muscle cars are, by definition, powered by a V8.
Wrong. Muscle cars by definition are affordable and powerful, nothing else. Neither the number of cylinders nor the number of doors matters.

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Of course it matters. In 1969 MURIKA, you had to have a V8. Anything less wasn't powerful, anything more was expensive and foreign.

Same for doors. 4 or 5 doors was for family haulers, while 2 doors was the peak for performance and styling.

You can whine all you want, but a Vista Cruiser isn't a muscle car, even if it has all the options of a 4-4-2. It's a really nice car, a great wagon, but it's not a muscle car. Hell, I'd prefer one over a regular 2 door, but that doesn't make it a muscle car.

they made one with a little bit of power

>cheep
you aught to do some reading
unless ofc you want to limit your self to a ford model A

I think their downsides make up their character but make it easy to make fun of them and their drivers.

>2 door
Where did you get this idea?

2 doors are cool.

More doors aren't.

Muscle cars are cool, therefore, they should only have 2 doors.

These things literally had a MOPAR 440 under the hood at some point.

So what's a Charger Hellcat?
It's not a sport sedan because it's too heavy to turn, even though every other sport sedan tends to be handling oriented.

Here's a "classic shitbox" with a Chevy 327 under the hood, pal.

>So what's a Charger Hellcat?
A very fun burnoutmobile.

Not a muscle car though, that's what the Challenger Hellcat is for.

That's not a shitbox, that's an obscenely expensive luxury coupe. Not a muscle car either, given that idiotic pricetag.

Commodores had an inline 6 option.

That's still two cilinders and a bank short of a V8 though.

>muscle cars
>cheap

they were never cheap

Yeah, I'm just saying there were bigger options than an inline 4.

Fun fact: the Opel Commodore C formed the basis for the VB Holden Commodore in Australia.

>Why do they build cheap performance? Don't the silly yanks know that anything with more than 6 cylinders is for Nobility? Plebs should be content with 3-bangers
Fuck anglos t b h

>le muscle cars weren't cheap meme

In 1969, a Charger Daytona started at 4K USD, with the 426 Hemi being a 700 USD option. That thing was priced outrageously high, they barely sold It was cheaper than the cheapest Cadillac back then - the ~5500 USD Calais coupe. If you correct 4700 USD for inflation, you end up with 32K in today's money. 5500 USD cebomes about 37K by the way. Both cars are cheap by modern standards.

"Performance". Things couldn't brake or turn, could barely track a straight line, and weren't all that fast either. Just flashy and noisy.

a muscle car is literally a family car with the V8 engine from a truck

so i suggest the Porsche Panamera

If that's all it takes, pic related. The V8 from the Q7 put into a family sedan chassis.

LMAO WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE MIRRORS HAHAHAHAH

>Panamera
>S8
Those are way too expensive to be muscle cars. Also, they've got too many doors, and too many driveshafts: a muscle car should be a RWD 2 door.

What if I put a V8 in a Nissan Z ?
youtube.com/watch?v=WwDFfxTz4mQ

That's not a muscle car, that's HERESY.

Also, it'd be way too good at cornering to be a muscle car.

400hp supra...13 second quarter mile
800hp supra...13 second quarter mile

that piece of shit went extinct for a reason.

typical porsche driver...

>drifting in a muscle car
>listening to Gas Gas Gas over the sound of an LS1

You're retarded

>Aston Martin can't be muscle due to the luxury
Muscle cars were pretty fucking luxourius.

Huh? No they didn't, they were regular sedans, the equivalent of today's Malibu's, Fusions, and Impalas
They were not luxurious in anywhere near the same sense

>people so autistic they have to get a literal definition for muscle car

it doesnt exist

the term muscle car didnt even exist when they were being produced

the idea of a muslce car is just a factory hot rod

something like this fits that definition a small car with a reletively big engine

and you could get these with a 302 still backed by a warranty in South Africa of all places

They were intended for drag racing, and often produced in small quantities with specific option packages.

If you want to play in curves, anything less than an F1 car is garbage and should be hated, especially since there are no straight roads and cornering prowess is everything, everything, everything!

Muscle cars were comfortable and fine for blasting down the highways of the US. No one else has anything similar except Oz so they have zero need for anything similar.

Also some musclecars came with autotragic transmissions, which despite their consistency at drag strip launches are gayer then Elton John.

also in SA you could get a Vauxhall with a DZ302 from the factory

>So its a muscle car then? Because that is literally the definition of one.

No, dumbshit. True muscle cars have large, powerful engines. The makers also sold small gay engines because the only reason for horsepower is racing and high speed isn't usable on the street.

>comfortable

muscle cars ride and drive like shit

only thing theyre good for is going straight for 1320 ft or less and they are still slow as fuck at that

The definition exists though, and can be readily applied: A relatively cheap and powerful, V8-powered RWD 2 door car.

A small car with a big engine? That's a stupid definition, it could apply to just about anything. With that definition, a Golf GTI could be a muscle car.

>Also some musclecars came with autotragic transmissions
Actually, in the early sixties the automatics were still looked down upon, and a 4 speed manual with floor shifter was the golden standard. Those examples also command a premium nowadays.

If you want excellence and schmexyness on a dragstrip, get a Lenco.

in what world is a 3000+lb car with a 2.0L a small car with a big engine

>Actually, in the early sixties the automatics were still looked down upon, and a 4 speed manual with floor shifter was the golden standard

oh you are actually retarded

3 speed was standard and automatics were popular more were sold than manuals

What illiterate faggots post ITT has nothing to do with the actual meaning of muscle car.

Station wagon are what we used for drivetrain donors. They are the equivalent of the SUVs before routing around CAFE regulations required "truck"-based platforms.

Two-doors were all anyone cared about because weight. Four doors were crusher bait and I personally helped send a few hundred to the shredder in the late 1970s. We torched out the engine, transmissions and rear axles then pancaked the hulks. Nothing of value was lost.

>A muscle car is cheap
>Dodge Demon $85k
>Ford Mustang GT350R $56k
>Chevrolet Camaro 1LE $70k

Are these still muscle cars...?

Aren't you forgetting about old Challengers, Barracudas, Cougars, and early Corvettes?

The Camaro and Mustang were never muscle cars, they're pony cars.
The Demon is a factory drag racing special.

This. The two-speed Powerglide is still produced by the aftermarket for drag racing.

atiracing.com/products/trans/pg/index.htm

yeah I think the TH400 took over the PG market tho

its what all the fast guys are running these days

Have you seen how expensive muscle cars are?....

>Cougar
Pony car and platform mate of the Mustang
>Corvettes
Seriously? Corvettes have never been muscle
>Challengers and Barracudas
Again, Pony cars that we're meant to compete with the Mustang NOT A MUSCLE CAR