Why did they pick the worst possible location for the Jewish nation?

>Arabs are native to the Levant

Nearly all of their holy sites are in that area, which is the best way to get fellow Jews to actually participate and migrate there. The Ottomans were inept enough to allow migration to the region with the intent to create a parallel society and eventually a separate nation. European colonialism precluded Arabs from interfering since there weren't Arab powers to speak of.

What, you would have them try to get everyone to move to Madagascar?

>arabised levantines aren't levantines

even if they're arabs they have been living there for hundreds of years, they're more legitimate than the new european jewish migrants

If Jews don't get their own country, they'd never shut up about it.

now that they get one, do they shut up? kek

>live in a region continuously for 4000+ years
>arabs swamp you out for a fraction of that time
>this is arab land now
no,

>empty land

Don't blame Jews for not wanting to make their country in the Rub' Al Khali.

>fraction of that time
yeah its only 1200 years
and arabs are the first one who allowed jews to comeback to the land after total ban on them by the byzantines
there's nothing inherently wrong with the right of jewish return, whats wrong is driving out other ethnic which have lived there for thousands of years for the sake of 'jewish homeland' / ethnic domination

they always brag about turning the desert to cultivated land, why not?

>why not?

Because Saudi-Arabia was already a sovereign state in 1948.

it is still better solution than what the current condition evolve to
or can't they return and just assimilate with local population? without having to split the who land to two for example?

>it is still better solution than what the current condition evolve to

No it isn't. Where do you suppose Jews go now?

seeof course there's compromise, since it wouldn't be homogenous jewish state, but its more fair and rational solution than splitting the whole land to two and expect non jews to migrate to one side of it

>muh ancestry, we wuz israelites n shiet

no

Last I checked, humans do not have lifespans of thousands of years.

Who says the Jews had to go anywhere?

>muh discrimination

Do you really think the situation we have now with the Middle East is better?

They weren't driven out because Israel has regained its independence. They fleed after starting a total war to conquer the part that was designated for Israel and lost.

>We
Who the fuck is we? Are you the earth spirit or something? Perhaps you should stick to your own problems instead of having such strong opinions. Especially when they are based on some fragmented salad you created from bits of information that originated from the info wars between the two sides.

Jews won it fair and square through the ancient right of Futuh.

I see no problem here.

Ironic coming from the guy eager to group the Jews together and saying that they needed to go places. You can't have it both ways, you can't go hard individualism and then justify nations via collective claimed ancestry.

Perhaps YOU should stick to your own problems instead of posting on here? What's that? You're somehow immune to your own standards? Oh dear.

Madagascar

and never allowed to return, their homes are stolen by new jewish owner, or outright destroyed, with the remaining people discriminated, and insisted in various ways to leave

you'll be kidding if you don't notice that the illegal settlement in the west bank and palestinian teritories are specifically made to further drive out palestinians

youtube.com/watch?v=5aPe1iRFPws

Bibi seems like a reasonable man :^)

Via victis. Their destruction was not as a result of creating Israel but a sirect result of them starting and loosing a genocidal war. If you expect anyone to survive a terrible war and than let his attaker come back and be his neighbours you are delusional european cuck. Are there many Germans in the sudetene now?
Regarding the settlements, there is no reason why Jews shouldn't be allowed to live in their homeland just as there are arab villages in Israel proper. They are built in empty land and not in place of any existing villages. We are not sorry for winning. We are proud of it.

How quickly the victim becomes the perpetrator.

yes, its understandable consequences, but don't pretend that palestinian act is unjustifiable, brutal demographic change that happen through 1900-1930, combined with jewish terrorism like irgun
would be enough factor to worry about jews, not the mention what israel aim for is basically ethnic cleansing

some foreigners come and ask you to give half of their homeland to them, because their ancestor lived there thousands years ago, how would you react? just give in? how do israelis even think they have higher moral ground to claim the land?

if it has always been 'might makes right', you don't even have to make various excuses, reasons, and victim playing on how the land belong to you, yes just admit it, you're the aggressor, its good that you show your real side, i just hope more israelis are less hypocritical than you are

>muh discrimination

Is actually a legit reason. Europe proved to the Jews that they weren't safe there.

They aren't safe in the Middle East either.

>european jewish migrants
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews
>Among the Jewish population, over 25% of the schoolchildren are of mixed ancestry of both Ashkenazi and Sephardi/Mizrahi descent and increases by 0.5% each year. Over 50% of the Jewish population is of at least a partial Sephardi/Mizrahi descent.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yishuv
>The Old Yishuv (Hebrew: היישוב הישן, ha-Yishuv ha-Yashan) were the Jewish communities of the southern Syrian provinces in the Ottoman period,[1] up to the onset of Zionist aliyah and the consolidation of the New Yishuv by the end of World War I

it was not the worst local out of the possible options back in the late 19th century, the next best thing was the offer from the british to form a jewish state in uganda which had no jewish presence prior and was more populated at the time

the middle east was a safer place back then than eastern europe for jews especially directly after ww1 when the entire place went to shit and communists were on the rise

people might have been "zionist" in their ideology but the majority of people who came up until the foundation of israel were mostly people running away from either eastern europe, nazi germany from the late 30s onwards or pogrom ridden iraq and north africa

>the middle east was a safer place back then

Gee, I wonder why.

>They aren't safe in the Middle East either.

They are safer because they have their own state. They didn't have a military to defend them against the Holocaust and Soviet pogroms.

it did not start becoming dangoures when they arrived. it started becoming dangoures in 1920 when the battle of tel hai happened and the arabs started rioting in the streets of jerusalem holding up signs such as "al-yahud hum kilabuna" ("the jews are our dogs") followed by the pogroms in jaffa and jerusalem
up until that point, the tension was minimal at best and why would it? all the jews really did was build some new towns on former swamp lands which they killed and subsequently stopped the maleria outbreak in the region by doing that as well as make new room for farmlands which increased the local export market that the arabs ran

i very much dunno if even the jews back then seriously even had a plan on how the future state will look or even thought it was gonna happen in the coming years

besides that, it was still a hell of a lot safer where in an area they had sizable majority areas and the ability to actually defened themselves as oppose to eastern and central europe which had wars, stalin and eventually hitler

btw, does the Khanate of Judea still give out free money and land for people doing the aliyah?

or is that replaced with a free kevlar and ar15 to avoid stabby wahabbys?

I'm not going to waste time on arguing facts like when were the first majir arab massacre vs when the irgun was established and what were its purposes. There were litteraly no zionist organizations at that time that advocated ethnic cleansing.

The idea was to establish a 1st world country with equal rights. There were 1 million arabs and 0.5 million Jews living in this territory. Now there are 12 million and there is still shitload of space. But they still had to go all nationalistic and attak. Couldn't accept another non muslim country beside theirs.

Arabs are not capable of living in advanced countries. Not in Israel not in Iraq and not in France or Germany.

If you expect us to accept the loos of our homeland while getting genocided in exile so muslims can have a slightly bigger territory your expectations are delusional.

Our nation is 4000 years old, and our claim to the land is both historic, internationally ratified and forged in battle. And while we found the perfect model for a modern national democracy, the west spirals into degeneracy and multiculturalism unable to find a middle ground between democracy and nationalism.

We established a modern country that contributes to technology and science. The fact that you belive that this is somehow bad and should be replaced with another arab shithole that producess nothing but corruption and murder is a great sign your judgment. Some differences of opinion just can't be resolved peacefully. That's how things are.

Bavaria.

>If you expect us to accept the loos of our homeland while getting genocided in exile so muslims can have a slightly bigger territory your expectations are delusional.

>The idea was to establish a 1st world country with equal rights

A homeland you haven't lived inside for years, equal rights when there are residents in your so called homeland that have no rights. You guys treat Palestinians in the territories worse than Gulf Arabs treat the Pakis and Phillipinos they import.

Don't you realize how politicized the Israeli education is? Or how much Israel pressures other nations to give them funding (Israel receives more funds from the US than every other country combined) or support? Do you really think everyone is magically wrong, the UN's stance on settlements, the millions of Palestinian refugees, governments around the world where Israeli lobbies don't have influence but that Israel is right?

Don't get me wrong. There are some fucked up Palestinians and organizations but how do you think these people came to exist? Have you looked at living standards in Gaza? Have you seen how much better things were before mass immigration? It's a shock that such a demographic change would cause problems. Don't make this about nationalism or religion. Arabs are barely homogenous, there have been Turks, Kurds, Christians, Jews etc. living together without major problems until this.

>You guys treat Palestinians in the territories worse than Gulf Arabs treat the Pakis and Phillipinos they import.

Lmao

>A homeland you haven't lived inside for years
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yishuv

>equal rights when there are residents in your so called homeland that have no rights.

what rights are lacking for arabs living inside israel proper? they're an officially recognized minority who as a result get their own school system (which they can choose to optout of if they want to study in the normal one and they are in charge of implementing the curriculum for), they receive affirmative actions by both the state (such as in universities where arabs constitute a gigantic % of the overall students) and often times private "progressive" high tech companies, the law forbids law discrimination and religious freedom is guaranteed by the law, the arab led party is currently the third largest in the israeli parliament and one of the main members of the supreme court of israel currently is an arab

what's missing for them exactly?

>You guys treat Palestinians in the territories worse than Gulf Arabs treat the Pakis and Phillipinos they import.
are you retarded? it's bad but to believe it's that bad you'd have to be delusional or sucking up propaganda your entire life 24/7. how is it worse?

>Don't you realize how politicized the Israeli education is?
at best you can claim that the history curriculum is for the mainstream school system which does not apply to arabs if they choose not to and that's widely discussed and criticized and often times the bias swings to the left, not always the right. do you even know what's taught in it that you're claiming that?

>Or how much Israel pressures other nations to give them funding (Israel receives more funds from the US than every other country combined) or support?

germany, i can give you but the case with the US is retarded as fuck when the US receives in return weapon tech access and weapon testing but that is not an argument for why israel isn't a 1st world country and just some retarded random argument spewing 1/2

The gist of it is that you guys are just a bunch of Eastern European immigrants going WE (e.g. Szymon Perski).

You own the land and there is nothing anybody can do about but please spare us your Israeli Kool aid.

2/3
>the UN's stance on settlements
the UN who it's human rights council is ran by the saudis and that recently announced that pokemon teaches toddlers to be killing machines? the settlements are retarded, yes but you're a fucking retard to take the UN seriously on any topic

>the millions of Palestinian refugees
second generation/third generations descendants of refugees*
which are still denied rights in other arab countries i might add because they still plan on kicking them out of the countries they were born in the first second they could but that aside, if you wanna play the victims game, when will the jews receive compensation for the mizrahi and sepharadi refugees which the arabs ethnically cleansed in the 19th century? i guess as well that the jews deserve more mony from germany from the holocaust even if it's three generations later :^ )

>but how do you think these people came to exist?
radicalization, jihadists, foreign funding, communist intervening in the middle east, arab nationalism, arab need to blame everyone else but themselves for shitting up their countries
tell me again what evil thing did the jews did to them in 1920 when the jaffa riots broke out? or why before the 6 days war when the arab nations owned the entire globally recognized borders of palestine, they still played the same game?

>Have you looked at living standards in Gaza?
they self ran it after israel gave it back to them in 2005. the siege is the result of rocket fall and even when that happens and you really should check out more about gaza, it's bad but when hamas themselves release tourist advertisment about beautiful gaza showing the beach resorts and the candy shops... really makes you think
also last i checked, they have a border with egypt as well... which egypt closed fully and is far harsher than israel is on it thanks to hamas and the MB fucking with the egyptian army

>Have you seen how much better things were before mass immigration?
>better

3/3
> Don't make this about nationalism or religion. Arabs are barely homogenous
then what is it about when the call for a "palestine from the river to the sea" is common and flags of palestine are sold all over jerusalem and the west bank where haifa and tel aviv are part of palestine?

>there have been Turks, Kurds, Christians, Jews etc. living together without major problems until this.

there were a fuck ton of problems before then, don't kid yourself. it didn't just spawn randomally in the middle east out of nowhere and
>Turks, Kurds

yes because this is so relevent for that area of the middle east. kurds were so common back then and the turks and jews are so violent to each other since the beginning of jewish settlements in the region in the 1890s!

Ur mum

Look up the word: "palingenesis".

I'm not an expert on foreign relations but I see Israel putting themselves into a hole you present yourselves as a bastion of democracy and peace in an otherwise extremely volatile region, with immense and diverse ethnic and religious differences... the Middle East has been nicknamed the "Eurasian Balkans" how do you think there ever would be peace unless you start ripping down (metaphorical) walls down with your neighbours to assert that that your not an alien political entity that your a friend not an enemy like all your detractors say you are and capitalise on?
If a serious geopolitical situation whether it's in the far future or just around the corner arises worse than say Syria how would Israel Deal with say terrorist attack say it's a massive wmd attack on one Israelis major city's how would Israel deal with it? The thing is that the Arabic soul (read how you want) is dying and giving way to despotism and theocracy in order to preserve what respect and dignity Islam and the culture Arabs have left, pretty soon in a hundred years the west will be going the same and your allies and supporters financially, metaphysically and militarily won't be around forever being eclipsed by states like china Russia, India as the next super powers. America and Europe can not expected to back up every act of aggression forever.

>You guys treat Palestinians in the territories worse than Gulf Arabs treat the Pakis and Phillipinos they import.

>continuously for 4000+ years
[citation needed]

Madagascar

the oven

Why did the Samaritans mostly vanish? They were much more relevant than the Jews. Now they have to live under Jewish rule.

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>Why did the Samaritans mostly vanish?
cuz' they weren't good samaritans to the society.

There is tons of empty land in the US.

Because they felt like their religion entitled them to a very specific piece of a land cause reasons.

How did Jews manage to survive as a collective ethnically homogeneous group for over 1900 years without any homeland? How did the Jewish peoples remain ethnically homogeneous for thousands of years despite constant migrations and being thrown into exile as well as dealing with being conquered and having to put up with wars?

Has any other single ethnicity had such an amazing, unlikely yet verified history?

New York

by being parasite to other civilisations

turkic people

Pakistanis and philipinos are slaves in all but name

well they want to steal the patagonia

Almost 2000 years of exile should be enough to render null any claim to the land

Give Istanbul to the Greeks then

being segregated and kicked around is what kept them 'homogenous', they were most likely far less homogenous before ad 70, other than that its strong family ties and a identity based on religion

They are free to try retake it.

Like they did in 1919.

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I hereby designate, as agreed per the UN, half of your country to be given to Israel.

Accept it or you'll lose the other half, you terrorist.

It's good to know that modern israelies consider the UN and its decissions to have no legitimacy, so we could start by disregarding them from the start, in 1948.

We don't need Constantinople anyways. That was a Roman monument, built by citizens of Rome and it will remain a Roman monument.

It was never truly a Greek monument, ergo, what is there to retake?

You can have it, T*rk

We really don't need it

Holy shit guys look out.

eυχαριστώ ;)

at least use a tripcode that is related to your character

What you said also applies to Assyrians,
Romani (Gypsies), Kurds, Pashtuns, Manchus, Hmong, Mongols, and many other ethnic groups. It's not that unique.

Hi guise is this the new brown nations shitpost thread?

Tbh, its muzzies and pol-tier faggots who are mentioning jews, Israel etc

The number of Jews in ancient Rome was about 6 million it's 10-20% of the empire population before the great revolt. Their number was supposed to be about 100 million today if not all of the shit that happened.
When the Roman wars were lost and the exile started Jews were already 2000 years old and had a strong national conscience. When the Roman empire collapsed Jews found themselves as one of the last old civilization people. Most of the Jewish population knew to read and write etc and nations don't dissapate into less advanced civlizations. After the said barbarians became post middle ages advanced Europeans, Jews were already marginalised by Christianity so they couldn't easily integrate anyway. Wishful thinking imagining Israels demise while the arab countries are the ones that collapse all the time. And this phantasy about the new superpowers. Fucking delusion. Israel handled being the enemy of both USSR and the whole arab league at the height of its power. China and India have good relations with Israel and don't give any shit about the palestinians. It's Islam and european multiculturalism that's dying.
Jews are semitic people that originate from the middle east. Jews look different from europeans and have mediterranean features and modern genetic studies prove it. The fact that Jews originate from palestine was well known and never disputed by anyone in the west and in the muslim world until 70 years ago.

Wrong.

>The number of Jews in ancient Rome was about 6 million

never forget the six million goyim

Hi I'm the delusional one, what I was talking about was not necessarily that Israel would succumb to attacks via the Arab nations but would be drawn into wars in the middle east that Israel would carry out it's geopolitical interests and in doing so would create more problems for itself aka resurgent terrorism/insurgency which they handled brilliantly with Hezbollah in 2006. Also I wouldn't write off economic needs of China and India they would back the Saudis or Iranians to keep the oil flowing not necessarily overtly supporting armed attacks (however China supported the groups that make up the PLO up to the 70's and 80's ancient history of course). Also If we look at the ideology of the typical Jihadist they would love to see Israel the "lesser Satan" in flames and I bet when there moped up in Syria that the next operations for the likes of Al Qaeda maybe a dirty bomb for instance? This why if we see that sought of situation playing out with Israelis nuclear arsenal a cluster fuck of immense proportions would happen...though hopefully Iran hasn't got the bomb yet. I don't want to see Israel to go to shit and I hope this wait and see attitude with Syria continues to play out because any manoeuvres would leave Israel in a pile of shit metaphorically speaking. Also if multiculturalism dies in Europe what do you reckon the end game would be for the Rothschild's banking empire.

It's a far better location than that of Waterloo, where the British crushed Napoleon.

Implying?

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"the west spirals into degeneracy and multiculturalism unable to find a middle ground between democracy and nationalism"

Yes yes I'm sure this has nothing to do with the constant congressional lobbying of goldensteinMcSchindlebergs creating disastrous foreign and domestic policies regarding immigration/wars etc

>what you should be saying is that "U.S. gwai lo's need to man the fuck up and take control of their political infrastructure and make lobbying punishable by death

>country is built on religious faith, nationalism, and a rejection of multiculti
>supports apartheid in South Africa whenever they can
>routinely tell the UN to fuck off when they're dealing with brown people
>/pol/ hates them

Where were you when you realized that antisemitism was just a divide and conquer tactic by the real enemy.

nah thats just prove how hypocritical jews are

>points out reality based on list of known lobbyists

DURR U RACIS SON

Try harder.

It's been centuries though and Jew radically change form their dispersal.
It's like the whole concept of Liberia being total shit barring the fact it was a place to dump free blacks. The American Blacks there were culturally American, heavy white admixture and culturally barely African and all they really had was being negros and ancestral ties to the wrong part of the continent their ancestors came from.

The difference is my country is a real sovereign entity and not some patchwork arbitrarily cut out from the defunct Ottoman empire.

If America collapsed and was re-divided your scenario would be relevant, and in that case I wouldn't give a shit and I would hope the new management does a better job running the place than the old regime.

So how come Israel didn't went to total shit and the population is one of the most patriotic in the west? Everything changes and evolves trough the years it's not a bad thing. I wouldn't want to have exactly the same mentality as some iron age person that sacrifices animals to Yahve. We retained our national identity and sense of mutual history. You can judge by the results of creating a strong homogeneous country.
Nice meme. I would be proud to be even partly decended from those proud turckic step warriors but historic and genetic research disappoint. Khazaria didn't fully embrace Jewdaism, it was mostly the aristocracy religion and the Ashkenazi Jews don't look turckic. There is a theory that some small Jewish groups from the caucas montains are related to them.
All of what you said is just the reality of the middle east and the world. Other countries have their challenges as well. Western Europe's is flooded with islamists, east Europe lives in the shadow of Russia. Korea and Japan can be nucked by a crazy person any minute and Australia is potential Chines clay. Such is life. The flood is coming, we're just more prepared for it than others because we are handling bad weather all the time.

The original Israelites were from the land of Ham (Africa) and got enslaved by their black brothers in Egypt.

>If people from the same ethnicity/country have opposition opinions than the ethnicity is hypocritical.
No, this means that a healthy political discourse exists.
What about sjw's from your country, does their existence make you hypocritical?
Go back to pol where each nation or country is one person and brain damage is the norm

Religious reasons. Mostly.

Meanwhile, the Palestinians want it for secular reasons. Mostly.

I'd say your ancestral homeland is a pretty good place

>inside israel proper

Can you please tell us where the borders of israel proper are?

1967 border which should have been obvious you retard

bottom of the ocean