/arena/ - Arena FPS General

>want to take the quake formula and make it attractive to a wider audience
>fuck up movement and split the full movement options randomly between "heroes" as abilities, pissing off old players
>fuck up UI and keep ultra-low-TTK weapons, pissing off new players
They've finally succeeded in making a game that even fewer people will like than Quake 4

Have you played generations arena or WODX

>Zoom damage
Whose dumbass idea was this

What is the point in increasing damage when zoomed in

I would get maybe having damage falloff that disappears when zoomed, that might make a little sense, but just extra damage for holding right click? What the fuck?

The design decisions these guys have made are fucking baffling.

Generations is just combining Quake 1-3

WODX is just a server variable toggler. I'm sure there's some autismo QC like mode in there that nobody played

Strafe Jumping is still in the game, its just capped for certain Champs.

momentum conservation when turning is fucked

strafe jumping with the caps on is basically pointless

quakepurist pls go

>lightning gun just stops firing if the target or obstruction is out of range
whose idea was this

Oh and DOOM and Wolf3d. idsoftware shut it down iirc. No clue why you bring that up. It has fuck all to do with it.

It's apparently a bug.

The lightning gun will just randomly stop firing for no apparent reason. Sometimes mid-fight.

Bethesda, Id, and Saber are bad at their jobs

it's the same shilled message over and over again
>poster count: 7

>damage bonus when zooming

>upload speed bug still not fixed, not even acknowledged by developers
Welp, time to never actually play Q:C. I guess I'll just hang around in hopes of porn.

You're thinking of KTX. WODX is a clusterfucky weapons mod with random abilities as well as grappling hooks and jetpacks that is somehow still popular which was my point. Generations arena is different from generations for quake 2.

>What is the point in increasing damage when zoomed in
it slows down the game, making it more newb friendly

>new game mode is about standing still in one place, defending shit

>standing still
maybe if you are retarded

?

WODX is not and was never popular and it was only a mode clueless retards ever played. And it isn't a set mode of play with competitive rules. It could be anything the server admin wants. It's disingenuous at best to claim QC is a progression of that whack shit mode.

Generations is a faithful port of the original characters from their respective games. QC again is absolutely nothing like that. Visor feels nothing like Quake 3 nor does Ranger feel like Quakeguy.

Also Generations was a cute gimmick that nobody played.

Combining a non competitive whack ass server side mod with variable rules and a gimmicky id tribute mod for the competitive duel game mode is possibly the worst idea in the history of video games.

youtube.com/watch?v=t_h2BHr6jvE

this voice actor sounds gay as fuck. at least he actually says useful stuff

thread after thread this french nigger, you are shit and your opinions are shit

youtube.com/watch?v=K3O322kzUBA
go back to sucking off muslims and learning unity sptx

clueless retards makes up the majority of quake players
you needed to download a mod to even get proper duel rules

>first beta without an NDA
>game instantly declared DOA by oldfags and newfags alike
>download it anyway
>it's shit
Why does this happen to the games I am excited for

game uses so much upload bandwidth it overloads your connection and/or auto-kicks you

if it works on my machine it can't be that bad lol

th-thanks

You dont have to stand at the obselisk.
You just need to make sure the enemy isnt on it taking the soul

I think it's an ok game, but the fact that it will probably take up the spot for the first year it's out over Quake Live is going to be shit. I don't think this is an "esport" game at all even with Classic mode. It would just be a castrated version of Quake Live.

>pretending

stop living in africa maybe

are you really that stupid that you think only one person could possibly dislike this shitheap

It's getting trashed everywhere but twitch

it's just one paranoid shill shitposting, he has been doing this for weeks. ignore him

I guess you are new to /arena/

Not an argument.

>clueless retards makes up the majority of quake players
They somehow managed to find and popularize Team Fortress, Rocket Arena, Action Quake (turned into CS), Duel and CTF

They did not, however, make mobaquake into a thing.w

Im on a 1gbit connection and i still get DC'd

Why didn't they put ranked classic with duel, ffa, tdm, ctf and ca in by default? Do they actually think nostalgicfaggots like Quake players wouldn't still buy their Championshit just for the skins alones? Because they will and they'd be beta testing much more than your casual retards would.

Oh that's right they ruined Classic by making the models have different hitboxes so Classic would only buy and play the smallest hitbox character.

Fucking beth/id filled to the brim with retards these days.

>why didn't they X
>why did they Y
>why does Z
The answer is that they're incompetent.

I love all the old quake players thinking they matter at all lmao. There's like 1000 of you, your opinions are irrelevant. The game won't survive by pandering to you. All my normie friends are hype as hell for this.

>so Classic would only buy and play the smallest hitbox character
So basically same forcemodels/brightskins player as always?

>implying old players are the target audience
>implying this isn't about creating hype, luring in casuals and making it a new esport that is 'fun to watch'

>new esport that is 'fun to watch'
They've already failed horribly then

>this hurts the quakedad

I'm not saying it wouldn't be the same you fucking retard learn to read god damn why should I keep replying to you when you don't understand basic English.

It's not bad for us it's BAD FOR THEM AND THEIR RETARDED CHAMPION BUSINESS MODEL.

If they didn't make hitboxes different sizes intentionally for advantage purposes then Classic players which are likely going to comprise the majority of their population, would buy ALL THE CHAMPIONS just for the nostalgia value of playing as them alone.

That won't happen now or rather very few will since most who play Classic only would rather just buy the most advantageous character. But they'll probably fuck over Classic so hard it won't even be relevant thus this game goes down the shitter along with all flash in a pan modern ride the wave trend bullshit games these days.

Champions isn't new player friendly either nor does it appeal to old players. What few players who play it will be holdouts from old Quake games who smurfstomp newshits who leave because it's still too hard for them. It's not fun to watch either. Q2CTF was probably the most exciting Quake esport I've ever watched, followed closely by Q3/QL/CPMA/etc duel.

>no Orbb
fucking
ruined

Hey man truth hurts. I love QL but a new game simply can't live that way.

it's over boys

no one is watching

>implying people wouldn't use forcemodels and brightskins regardless of how similar the hitboxes were just because certain skin shaders are 0,0001% harder to see

>Classic players which are likely going to comprise the majority of their population

the delusion

>Quake popularized nearly every popular FPS game played to date
>HURRRRRRRRRR LETS FORCE THEM TO PLAY A MODE NOBODY EVER PLAYED
>LE QUAKE DADS DON'T KNOW WHAT US NEWKIDS WANT

I'm a Quake newb, only played QL for a bit but I don't think QC is that good. I mean it's kind of fun but a game that was supposed to be about raw skill for map control and aiming ability having classes just ruins that a bit. Games with classes are never balanced, ever. Every game that I've played that ever had classes clearly had top tier ones that all the pros used, or ended up being rock-paper-scissors to counter your opponent's pick.

I would've played QL more if it stayed free, but I'm not sure how I feel about QC.

Classic mode is custom games only

french nigger

This is the thing though, nothing is stopping everyone from using the same champ if they feel it'd OP.

That's my point. They'll completely butcher their only saving grace. Coulda made a fortune on skins and esports selling mtx to nostalgia riddled Quakevets because honestly QC has a graphical appeal that has been distinctly missing since Quake 1-3 and tight controls that has been distinctly missing since that time period as well. But it completely lacks any sort of knowledge about Quake rulesets that people enjoy playing, hence it's deadshitgarbage.

Racism is a mental disease. I'm white as the snow and born in America btw

but samefag shitting up /arena/ said the game is DOA, how could this possibly happen?

Every hyped up newshit game attracts streamers trying to make a buck on the hype alone

Diablo 3 has had over 60k viewers at a time at one point but averages less than 1k

20k viewers is fucking nothing on twitch, especially not for the first day a game is being streamed. if there was any hype at all it would be 50-100k

It's not fun though, there's usually an annoying aspect to a class that makes it OP, so with everyone picking that class it makes it worse.

This argument is silly, the same could be said about weapons, if there are different weapons people will "feel" one is OP like all the shitters currently whining about the LG. Something being actually OP or being "perceived" as OP are quite different things. It's perfectly possible to balance classes.

Sorlag best girl

>Saved: Nickname, Skill Rating, Contacts (Friends/Followers), All Champions are still unlocked
How do I unlock all the champions?

Not in the patch notes:
>Increased FOV max to 140

so is sacrifice good or garbage? I won't have my desktop until tomorrow

I like her VO, it's a like a evil grandma

it's a guy

You go back in time and play last weekend.

>How do I unlock all the champions?

i have them all unlocked (i played in previous waves)

i really like it

>oh cool a beta key
>bethesda launcher crashes when installing quake
>try again
>takes a year to load on my SSD
>game movement feels wrong, teleporting errywhere, shit weapons
>uninstall game
>uninstall launcher
I should never get my hopes up.

they are only unlocked for closed beta fags

worst mode by far. they should have just added classic ctf.

>bitter quake dads would rather complain about QC 24/7 instead of playing their dead games

Incorrect statement. While certainly weapons need to be balanced the fact you can use any one you want instantly as a pickup means they can be used situationally -- as a finisher or as a damage dealer or just to humiliate. Your choice in champion forces you to be used through the duration of the round or game, leading to more balance issues than mere weapons that are not tied to champions.

>you can use any one you want instantly
Actually no you have to secure the pickup and your spawn might be far away or the enemy might deny the weapon you want. Also anyone can spawn as any champion just as much.

can someone post a webm of skull shotgun in action?

Alright so I played a few rounds of QC before work and here's what I thought:

Pros:
>Looks good graphically
>Reskins of classic maps
>Weapons feel pretty good
>Champion abilities dont impact the game too heavily (will mention a con related to this)
>New maps are well designed
>Gameplay is similar to QL

Cons:
>Hit registry
>Weapons look abstract and odd
>Champion abilities dont seem needed would rather just not have them
>Although similar to QL, gameplay is much slower and won't get to the same level of speed and mobility QL has.
>Menu screen ui is clunky and unintuitive
>Champion voice lines/personalities aren't needed.
>Skins and loot boxes arent needed

Overall I liked it. It reminds me of QL quite a bit but with skins and hero abilities. I don't think these are needed and would rather just have an updated version of QL. At least they're trying something new though. Hopefully it takes off

>Hopefully it takes off
The smart bet is that it won't.

Its older audience won't abandon their more faithful versions and new players aren't going to like it

ep*c taunts when?

Anyone have an infographic for the best doom maps? Just replayed it for the first time in years and I want examples of good level design.

Unrelated I know but it's pointless to make a new thread. Thanks.

Also quetoo.org/

>Actually no you have to secure the pickup
Read the rest of the sentence you quoted, I already said that and you're still utterly wrong and retarded.

For one, duel and FFA are pretty unique in this regard, duel moreso than FFA as in duel it's far easier for a good player to deny the other player of good items. I never claimed duel was good or balanced, either. Some of the most played game modes in Quake historically don't suffer from this issue. In CTF you have a base with all the items already in it, the only issue with picking them up is if you have greedy teammates or your team is so shit you get baseraped, even then, if you're being baseraped that means their base is likely poorly defended and a player of even below average intellect will simply stock up on items in their base. In TDM the concept is similar in that you sorta create a "moving base" with your team. A really broken matchup in TDM is the only time this isn't true, which is hardly a good place to form an argument from. Also one of the most popular game modes, CA, this isn't an issue at all. Everyone has all the weapons, armor and health and there are no pickups, as it is a pure skill based gamemode.

>Also anyone can spawn as any champion just as much
This doesn't solve the problem of imbalanced champions tho it only forces everyone to use the same one, thus defeating the purpose of having different champs. Weapons have no or very little such balance issues. Each weapon type has a distinctly useful purpose.

singleplayer or multiplayer?
either way i would recommend checking out memento mori 1 and 2 if you want oldschool level design rather than slaughter maps

>two duel rage quits in a row after 3-0'ing them
This game will not take off unless there is matchmaking.

>This game will not take off
FTFY

My disappointment boner is massive

samefriend

>twitch viewer numbers for mobaquake already declining

Thanks. Just looking for good sp maps, I don't have a preference for modern/old school LD.
No slaughter sillyness.

I can actually play the game with low upload bandwidth.Oh my fucking god!

you are an idiot

I agree that games need to innovate/adapt/update or they'll just die out, but this doesn't feel right either. There has to be a better way of making the game more accessible instead of just adding classes.

It just makes me think of TF2, how many memes come from and how much attention is given to the character personalities, it seems to make this weird kind of cult around them and then any discussion of the game being unbalanced just gets a million "git gud" responses.

Even with QC, I keep seeing posts of"slipgate!", "sorlag best girl", "won't see nyx cummin' lol", and discussions of unbalance and issues with it not feeling fun get multiple responses of "quakedad reactionimage.jpg"