>Lexus Enthusiast, citing a report from Japanese magazine MAG-X, claims that the GS soon get the axe.
>According to the MAG-X article, the reason Lexus put the development of a replacement GS on hold is because of the new LS. Given that the LS has had its engine downsized from a V8 to a V6, there is no longer enough of a difference between the two products to justify building two different cars. Instead, Lexus is hoping to fill the gap left by the GS with the LS.
>In general, GS sales have never been incredibly strong, partially because the front-wheel drive ES is cheaper and satisfies most buyers’ demands for a mid sized luxury sedan from the automaker.
>LS has had its engine downsized from a V8 to a V6
pathetic
Anthony Cruz
Only a rumor.
Dylan Gray
>muh rumor
>According to the automotive sales tracking website GoodCarBadCar.net, Lexus GS sales were down 61 percent in 2016, with fewer than 15,000 units sold. Yet the ES managed to find almost 60,000 customers in the same year despite seeing a 21 percent drop in sales compared to 2015.
>Perhaps the reason why the GS never really caught on is because Toyota corporate wanted to cancel the car after the second generation, but kept it because of pressure from Lexus executives. It seems that Toyota didn’t really put much effort into advancing the GS into something that could rival the technology and driving experience similar to the Mercedes E-Class, BMW 5 series, and Audi A6.
>It’s not looking good for the future of the GS, and while its demise is still a rumor at this stage, given the market conditions, the fact that we may not see a new model after 2018 isn’t terribly far fetched.
>implying anyone can afford a Lexus in Lithuania >implying anyone gives a single fuck about a countrylet like Lithuania
Evan White
Yeah well Lexus made a mistake when they threw the GS and ES on the same frame. I had always thought the ES was a fancy Camry and the GS was a fancy Avalon, and the LS was the real luxury car. The last iteration of GS shared the crappy fancy Camry backbone with the ES, but with different drive wheels. Lame.
Ethan Brown
The ES and GS aren't the same chassis. I don't think they've ever been. The ES was mostly Camry underneath, but now mostly Avalon, and the GS was the JDM Toyota Aristo before Lexus went global after 2007 and became its own thing.
I could have some of that wrong, not gonna lie.
It absolutely makes sense for Lexus to consider chopping off the GS due to poor sales, but then they'd have to take the ES upmarket, which might be more trouble than it's worth.
Where Lexus went wrong was when they released the current one. They should have turned the GS into their "four door coupe" meme as soon as the ES got bigger on the Avalon chassis. A full tour de force of style in a GS four door coupe with low production would probably have inspired new interest in the model. They were already halfway there with how coupe-like the rooflne was on the third-gen GS.
Asher Reyes
I tried rediscovering where I read that about the shared chassis and I thought it was from wikipedia. It isn't there now. I'm resorting to the fact that I dreamed it up in a nightmare (I own an 06 gs300)
Josiah Smith
I own a 2013 GS and I absolutely love the damn thing. How is it that Toyota could be so dumb as to get rid of one of their best cars? And a fucking V6 on the LS? Disgusting.
Angel Cooper
It's a logical conclusion, seeing as how messy Lexus has always let their sedan line-up be.
Truthfully the ES should have been killed when the IS debuted, but they couldn't do that considering how popular the ES became in the American market. People like it when Lexus does comfy, because Lexus is masterful at it, even in a fat FWD entry-level (now mid size) sedan.
Oliver Adams
To be fair, it will be a 500hp twin turbo V6
Owen Cook
The IS is too small. The ES has a ton of room inside. It's an Avalon.
I think if I read between the lines here, the next gen IS will likely grow more pig fat to fill the gap.
Michael Martin
And it'll be heavy as fuck.
The only lightweight thing Lexus ever made was the LFA with its carbon fiber tub.
Honestly I'm a bit co cerned about the longevity of the TTV6 in a car like that. I'm weary of turbo longevity period, but hopefully Lexus has done their homework.
Leo Hughes
If anything the GS will not be permanently gone. Those spy shots of the new Lexus is probably the next gen ES and an ES Fsport. Lexus may put the GS on hold and in the mean time let every one enjoy an Fsport ES for now. The ES is bigger than GS but not as big as an LS and fills a seperate market. Lexus would never completely abandon the mid size luxury/sport sedan market.
Anthony Peterson
>Lexus would never completely abandon the mid size luxury/sport sedan market.
The CEO of Toyota doesn't give a fuck about what you think. He wants to scrap GS period.
Elijah Brooks
Is this the ugly faggot responsible for how ugly toyota/lexus designs are?
Joshua Martin
Maybe... He has been the CEO since 2009, but it is more like family business. His father is the former CEO of Toyota. The current CEO clearly saw Lexus for what it really was, so they set a new daring path for ugly designs and outdated powertrains to out-Acura, Acura.
Jackson Jenkins
to be honest I don't even understand why lexus are RWD when they're just suppose to be plush commuters
The ES makes perfect sense, I'd daily drive the crap out of one.
Robert Morgan
Tell those anti-FWD shills
Kevin Robinson
they don't complain about mini vans being fwd, why should they complain about luxury boats being fwd?
it makes complete sense for lexus to be fwd, you get more interior room and they can spend the money they save on using a fwd drivetrain on making the ride or interior better.
Owen Robinson
I agree. Those delusional guys believe that the luxury car shouldn't have FWD.
Gabriel Wright
True luxury isn't fwd. The ES isn't the pinnacle of a luxury sedan. The LS is. And it's rwd.
Aiden Clark
At least now Acura will have a brand to compete against :/
Colton Wright
explain how rwd helps to make a vehicle more luxurious
Charles Roberts
Torque steer isn't luxurious, makes the car feel cheap.
Asher Phillips
Can be fixed with AWD you pleb.
Wyatt Brooks
just look at what they did with the ctr, virtually no torque steer with 300 hp
Charles Edwards
You didn't say how can fwd problems be cured, you asked how rwd can make a car luxurious, which it can by reducing torque steer, you fucking pleb.
Christopher Hall
you guys talk about "muh camry with leather seats" as if it were a bad thing
Adam Rivera
Many luxury cars have much more than that these days, I really don't know what kind of specialty suspension setup it uses to eliminate it or what it would cost though.
Liam Gutierrez
he's just some random user, I'm saying torque steer can be fixed with front suspension work like in the civic type r
Carson Russell
Not without making the ride unduly harsh mind you, not very luxurious.
Michael Allen
women don't drive fast enough for torque steer to matter.
Julian Smith
Not my point and don't try and shift the goalposts on me. Literally tons of luxury car buyers are men (of course they fucking are) and it has nothing to do with it. Torque steer isn't luxurious. That's the entire argument.
Andrew Gutierrez
what? the new civic type r is very compliant. you must be thinking of the previous generation, which didn't even have the torque steer fix
Landon Turner
Don't think so buddy
Brandon Hughes
>muh interior room
Care to explain how engineers in 19-fucking-38 were able to have an RWD car without a driveshaft hump, when modern FWD cars do have a hump despite not having a driveshaft?
Sure maybe compliant for a sports car (if you can even call it that) but harsh AF compared to an actual luxury car and changing it would start to induce torque steer. Plus, the civic type r is literally the only car to do this now and it only has 300hp. I would need to see more than one example
Adam Wright
if true, then I honestly don't know why some fwd cars have a hump. Maybe because that chassis is also used for an awd version?
Bentley Lewis
More than likely yes, or just poor packaging, never assume the manufacturer is doing the very best that they can with what they have, cars aren't made like that anymore.
Jeremiah Sullivan
from what I've read, they don't solve the torque steer by having harsher springs or dampers so I don't see how their torque steer solution makes the ride harsher
Jaxson Hill
Some people would argue exhaust, in that case then the same Chevy also had an exhaust system. Granted, they were more or less just straight pipes with no cats or resonators, but even if that were the case, they are usually placed towards the middle or front of the car, where interior room is generally not a concern, so if the same sedan needed them, the car's frame wouldn't need to be changed that drastically, if at all.
Elijah Nguyen
Well what did you read haha because it's totally related if not the sole cause
Henry Phillips
It's the fancy dual and quad exhaust systems that are on every car now.
Camden Richardson
Wow what a tremendous video, easy to understand and I really enjoyed watching it.
Evan Parker
>why does the driveshaft tunnel still exist.
its actually a fairly major point of stability and rigidity within the chassis. The car youre looking at is either high enough off the ground the hump is not 'needed' for that. or interior has something under the footwells that raises it up.
Connor Peterson
>Wider wheels and a clever steering knuckle design allowed the engineers to move the steering axis closer to the vertical centerline of the wheels, key to eliminating the asymmetrical design usually found in front-drive cars.
this
Charles Russell
All of Lexus' sedans sell like crap SUVs represent the volume of their US sales
Isaiah Johnson
Fact: The most luxo luxomobilios have always been fwd. (disregarding Vagshit)
Wyatt Parker
Mercedes used to put a 2.2 I4 diesel in an S-class.
Just let that sink in for a moment.
Caleb Turner
>muh torque steer
Care to explain how engineers in 19-fucking-34 were able to have a FWD car without torque steer, when modern AWD cars can’t even turn?
Brayden Sanders
>disregarding Vagshit
ohh poor you frogfag... your "luxomobilios" outclassed and outsold by a mere Audi A6
Julian Ward
Balance, you dense retard. Fwd FEELS like utter garbage. It's intrinsically imbalanced. And no, you don't race lexus' but even in daily driving , you notice that momentum . That's why an s class or any high end luxury car will NEVER be fwd
Jacob Edwards
Do you know that most high-end lexus car riding on the platform that designed for FWD, RWD, and AWD? Yes, that Japanese Aston Martin forced meme, LC uses the platform of Toyota Prius.
It is same thing with VAG's platforms.
Isaac Hughes
your dumb fucking memes and shit
Aaron Williams
they didn't make nearly as much torque and power as they do now
Brody Reyes
All it means is that there's a similar layout underpinning the architecture to their cars, it does not mean that the lc is a Prius with a bodykit. And still, they end up not choosing fwd for a reason.
Matthew Smith
yeah, Bentley could have a FWD car if they want.
Anyway, Audi is just exploiting the dumb consumers not telling the difference between FWD and RWD with selling their FWD cars. However, the high-end ones are exclusive to use AWD.
The rumor about next gen A6 will use the Porsche's platform, that is exclusive for RWD and AWD. We will see...
Jaxon Thomas
>Jeremy Clarkson the same faggot who claimed the Alfa 4C is better than the Corvette in every single way? I can't take this guy seriously.
Benjamin Cook
Bmw does it too. It's for the badge whores who want a 30k "luxury" car. Vag does offer fwd for their base models, however in the US in only the a3 (which is the only car in their current lineup which actually is a VW with a bodykit) and the a4. (The a4 hasn't been a passat in a couple generations)
Sebastian Perry
He got paid for shilling it. He did for LFA too.
Brandon Flores
>a3 (which is the only car in their current lineup which actually is a VW with a bodykit)
yeah it is MQB. It is like saying LS is a Toyota with a body-kit.
Jack Anderson
Well the a3 and the TT are literally a golf/beetle. The platform thing that's across the other models simply implies that the architecture and layout are similar albeit not necessarily the same actual platform like what a golf is to an a3
James Russell
look up TNGA
The LS and LC are literally a Prius/Corolla/Camry.
Leo James
I used to think the same about audis.
From wiki, MQB is not a platform as such, but, rather, a system for introducing rationality to different platforms that have transverse engines, regardless of model, vehicle size or brand. Thus MQB uses a core "matrix" of components across a wide variety of platforms — for example, sharing a common engine-mounting core for all drivetrains (e.g., gasoline, diesel, natural gas, hybrid and purely electric). As well as reducing weight, the concept allows different models to be manufactured at the same plant, further saving cost.[4][5]
The toyota thing is the same.
Aaron Wilson
The IS is way too small to replace the ES, I drive an IS and the back seat is basically decorative, my wife has an ES and it has a useful and comfortable back seat
Alexander Martin
I'd rather have a 4C with a beautiful design and a soulful engine than some Ameriburger "sportscar" that can't turn.
