Looking for a good first car for up to 2000 Euros, my priorities are good fuel economy and the lowest possible maintenance costs. Not much else really, don't care about the styling or the brand, or standard equipment as long as it has AC and the basic safety kit.
So far the first gen Yaris with the 1.3l petrol seems to cover all the bases, it should be extremely reliable and the parts appear to be cheap. The other car I'm eyeing is the Honda Jazz with either 1.2l or 1.4l petrol. Which would you chose between the two, and do you have any other suggestions?
Jacob Gomez
Forget about the Toyota and Honda Jizz, picrel car is everything you'd ever need.
Pros: Fuel efficient, you get a nice arm, chest and leg workout when steering and pressing pedals, enjoying the bitter looks of normies getting overtaken by you at astounding 90km/h top speed. Cons: none
Jason Lee
Fuck AC and basic safety, get a Toyota Starlet they are hektik
Xavier James
Oh, I forgot to say that I have one for sale for only 50 euro
Jeremiah Lee
four Twingos
Leo Sanders
The Honda Jazz is a lot more spacious than the Yaris (and any other hatch) thanks to the raised roof, clever packaging and rear seats that fold away completely.
Other than that there isn't much between these two.
As you said: Reliable,cheap to run, not lacking in any of the basics... way better than anything made in italy or france.
Just buy the best (condition) car you can find, wether it's a Jazz or Yaris
>you might find a bargain Jazz with CVT, if you can deal with the noise go for it. Fuel economy and reliabilty are equal to the 5 speed
Hudson Sullivan
>getting a toyota or an honda in Europe >expecting low maintenance costs You got memed. Buy european, you fag.
Michael Rodriguez
>way better than anything made in italy or france. Better in what, exactly? The Yaris is atrocious to drive, the Jazz is literally an elder-mobile.
Jeremiah Long
>nipboxes in Europe Yeah no. Get some VAG 1.2 MPi cuckbox (Fabia, Ibiza, Polo) or a 1.3 Multi-Jet Opel or Fiat.
Ryder Cruz
He wants a small petrol. Europeans can't into small petrols.
Brandon Bennett
Why not? The only issue I can see is rust.
Andrew Morgan
>Europeans can't into small petrols serious? The 205GTI is an all time great small petrol, and Ford Europe have made some great ones as well. The Fiesta ST is basically a European car.
Sebastian Powell
You could get a solid '01-'03 Skoda Fabia
Josiah Mitchell
That's not what the OP is looking for. Besides, by small I mean yuro-small. 1 to 1.4 liters or so
Andrew Sullivan
Lmao m8, look up the A segment cars. The aygo/c1/107 came and still come with .7 and .9L turbo i3's.
>fiat Punto has a 1.4 i4
Daniel Cruz
wont beat the yaris desu. I wanted an automatic and those start at 2k for ~2000 yaris. Honda jazz is also a good option. Just don't take it in diesel. This comes from someone who has friends in a japanese car service in europe. They mostly repair german cars or diesel japanese cars because those petrol toyotas are fucking immortal. What I got was a 2001 chrysler neon 2.0 automatic for 600 euro. Also a decent car and I'm in love with it.
Dominic Thompson
More expensive to service, weaker aftermarket. If something shits itself for good in your car, it's extremely easy to source used parts for VAG cars, including major items like replacement doors, complete engines etc.
Andrew Turner
or germany. The krauts make horrifying shit after 1996 especially diesels.
Joshua Lee
>automatic 2000 yaris >paying any money at all for this
John Ortiz
Yurop sure as fuck can into small petrols, shit like VAG's 1.2 MPI or Renault's 1.2 in 8v or 16v (or even 16v turbo) form are basic as fuck and will run for ages with basic maintenance.
Ryder Clark
The maintenance costs on european cars, much like diesel car ''fuel saving'' will break your bank when (not if) something goes wrong.
Kayden Carter
In what Romanian village must you live to think that Yaris or Jazz parts aren't cheap and abundant? i3 engines are garbage. I'm not saying Europeans don't produce small petrol engines, I'm just saying that they're shit when compared to Japanese ones
Mason Adams
I'm kinda american in terms of mentality and overall mindset. I also live in a big city which has tons of semi highways and horrifying traffic, very few small streets. I wanted an automatic car that wont break JUST CAUSE, and that is hard to find in europe regarding older cars ;/ well lucky me with my neon.
Jace Richardson
Funny, because the engine in the 107/108/C1 is sourced from Toyota. They 107/C1/Aygo was a collbaorative project between PSA and Toyota.
Ryder Turner
agree. In addition- those toyotas wont fucking break. There is a reason it costs more than a same year mercedes/bmw on average while being an absolute shitbox tier car.
Xavier Gutierrez
Hey man the Japs aren't saints either. Lemme guess these engines make like 50hp right?
Mason Thomas
Between 60hp (for the lowest-end, earliest ones) up to like 130hp for the 1.2 16v turbo.
Nicholas Phillips
2000€ shitbox won't be 'extremely reliable' regardless of what you buy. >automatic Literally why?
Adrian Anderson
At best something like 50kw. Okay I guess thats acceptable for a piece of shit plastic shitbox but holy fuck those low displacement engines and european cars in general are the essence of throwaway shit. My friend has a small ngo and he needed a few trucks- a fucking 1995 vw transporter costs more than a 2005 one cause they still run and their engines are at least repairable. The only way any reasonable person could like modern european cars is a.being a silverspoon kid who gets a leased mercedes on his 18th birthday b.a faggot who believes the marketing scams and has never paid a visit to a local mechanic to see 5 year old VAGs and BMWs with rusted away undersides and doors.
Jayden King
Stop using mom-logic. A well maintained used car that is known for being reliable to start with has all the potential to be solid af
Jaxson Sullivan
probably because like me, he doesnt like droping the clutches and gears in a traffic jam, also it is not a fucking 300hp sportscar to profit from a manual to suffer through all the mental pain of suffering through 1 hour long traffic jams
Jaxon Anderson
Yep. Sadly even in Eastern europe the retards realized that toyotas are reliable so the prices are higher than fucking bmw 7 series of the same age. >I WONDER WHY A SOULLESS UNDERPOWERED SHITBOX CAN COST AS MUCH AS A LUXURY LIMO FROM THE SAME AGE MMM WHAT COULD BE THE REASON MMMM.
Adrian Perez
Why not Civic?
Gabriel Cooper
Or this box on wheels.
Ethan Martin
The Yaris used and new are expensive because literally everyone wants one so that drives the price up.
There are better choices out there in terms of reliability and cost.
And don't listen to these fags. Don't buy European. Cheap European cars are shit. The interiors all apart in a month and you always end up replacing some expensive shit in a matter of a few years.
Andrew Gomez
Anyone knows something about these? Are they reliable?
Jace Cook
This Skodas are on the top of this.
Charles Smith
all I know is that it's actually a Renault engine.
Levi King
so it's shit shame, they look kinda neat
Henry Hall
Keep in mind that you can find a clean one below 100k km around 1k eur.
Hudson Thomas
yeah but >renault engine
there's got to be a reason they're so cheap even at that mileage
Caleb Baker
It even has a 1.2 fire that's been proven extremely reliable for years.
Andrew Long
Why do you bring up your 3 SPEED 2L NEON W/ 70k mi in every thread? Holy shit
Jackson Martinez
Those engines are producing decent power for their time and economy class. And I haven't heard anything bad about these cars. Could it be that they just aren't that impressive? When a friend of mine is looking for the first car I'm usually suggesting the 440 for a thought. But they usually go ''meh'' by just looking at it and get what they think looks cool at the end.
Wyatt Edwards
Yaris and jazz are miserable
Get a golf 3 GL, was my first car and for a first car it was perfect.
Parker Sanders
The Yaris is fun with the 1.5L Petrol. All other variants are trash though