>>On 8 October 1912, during the First Balkan War, Lemnos became part of Greece. The Greek navy under Rear Admiral Pavlos Kountouriotis took it over without any casualties from the occupying Turkish Ottoman garrison, who were returned to Anatolia. Peter Charanis, born on the island in 1908 and later a professor of Byzantine history at Rutgers University recounts when the island was occupied and Greek soldiers were sent to the villages and stationed themselves in the public squares. Some of the children ran to see what Greek soldiers looked like. ‘‘What are you looking at?’’ one of them asked. ‘‘At Hellenes,’’ the children replied. ‘‘Are you not Hellenes yourselves?’’ a soldier retorted. ‘‘No, we are Romans." Thus was the most ancient national identity in all of history, preserved in isolation, finally absorbed and ended.[15]
>On 8 October 1912, during the First Balkan War, Lemnos became part of Greece...
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rip Romanes
N-N-N-N-N-O!!11 THEY WERE JUST PRETENDING!!1 THEY WERE REALLY GREEKS IN DENIAL LOL!!11 HRE AND BYZANTIUM WERE LITERALLY THE SAME THING!!!11
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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Can someone please explain what he meant by this
genuinely sad
>finally absorbed and ended.
How? Did the Greeks rape baby them out of jealousy?
Sauce?
>thread talking about greece, rome and the ottoman empire
>no t*rkposting tripfags
i-is it finally over?
>during that same period greeks killed or otherwise purged and chased out albanian, bulgarian, macedonian and turkish people out of their ancestral homelands
No, Zorba, you are the turk.
At long last. No shitposter rules forever my son.
wtf i hate hellenes now.
>albanian
>macedonian (?????)
>turkish
>ancestral homelands
kill yourself
I'm not even Greek, though I am a Balkan-nigger.
>living there for 600 years
>its not ancestral LOL
Even half the greeks are historically documented to be invaders in that area. There is a point in time that you stayed in a place long enough to become local, and turks are local. They have owned Thrace longer than the Greeks have.
>ancestral homelands
They were all invaders who displaced local Greeks from their lands. They got what was coming from them.
What about the Pelasgians?
Also, fuck the spelling of their name.
>local greeks
Who? Dorians, Aeolians, Achaeans, Thracian, Macedonians and Ionians?
Because only some of these are historically local, and if we go back enough in time, none of them are, because out of Africa theory and all that.
You have to pick a point in time to claim "local", and that is arbitrary as fuck. Turks have been on the Balkans for centuries, they are local, they belong.
I don't get this meme. In Turkey we still call the Greeks who live in Anatolia and Cyprus Romans.
Proto-Greeks
>Who? Dorians, Aeolians, Achaeans, Thracian, Macedonians and Ionians?
Stop playing ignorant, cunt. Those were all already incoperated into a single Greek identity some centuries after the Roman conquests. And they were all living in their respective areas for thousand of years, until the Turks came and the muslims began displacing the natives from their homelands.
>And they were all living in their respective areas for thousand of years
"No". Read a book.
WE
Not an arguement.
>arguement
Read a history book, and then a grammar book.
Still waiting for your argument.
My argument is that those tribes which would later emerge as "the greeks" didn't come there at the same time, and some came much later.
Further, in some parts of modern Greece, they never were a majority to begin with.
As I said, read a book. I am not your teacher and I am not getting paid to explain to you basic 101 stuff about greek history and origin.
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t. urk
Does this imply they were the last Romans (from italy who migrated to Greece or something) or just that they were Greeks? Did these kids still think they were in Byzantine times or something?
Because the wiki link of 'Roman' refers to greeks being roman CITIZENS of ERE, not ethnically from italy.
en.wikipedia.org
Kaldellis, Anthony (2008). Hellenism in Byzantium: The Transformations of Greek Identity and the Reception of the Classical Tradition. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521876885. pages 42-43
>'Roman' refers to greeks being roman CITIZENS of ERE, not ethnically from italy.
Yes, but Greeks called themselves Romans and not Hellenes since about the 400s. The line between citizenship and ethnicity was blurred by uneducated peasants who didn't know the difference, and these were the majority of the population.
You do realize that even according to Roman tradition there is no Roman ethnicity? "Roman" is not an ethnic term.
The greatest crime of nationalism and a perversion of of the nation-state. This is the true evil of the Left and socialism.
Byzzies were totally greeks tho.
No, the article is very misleading. Greek speakers in Turkey still call themselves Romans. The Greek Orthodox Patriarchate is called the Roman Orthodox Patriarchate. People didn't care much about ethnicity back then; so when Turks conquered the region, they simply grouped anyone a part of the Greek Orthodox Church as "Romans". Greeks started to refer to themselves as Hellenes after ethnic nationalism became a thing; they wanted to distinguish between a Greek and, say, an Armenian speaker who was a part of the Greek Orthodox Church. These kids were probably just unaware of ethnic or linguistic differences between peoples, so when they heard that the "Hellenes" were coming, they thought that they would be something different.
The article makes it sound as if these islanders were very isolated and never stopped calling themselves Romans and started calling themselves Greeks. But the words Roman and Greek are used interchangably in Turkey.
Back then people who get called by the name ''Greek'' were Hellenic and not Christians. Thats why they didnt call themselfs Greeks they got executions,got mass murdered burned their Temples and Librarys their studys. If they were continue sciences by that time today we would be far better in tecnology
WTF? I hate Greeks now
>tfw you'll never call yourself roman
We still call them Romans.
t. Turk