Why are LS Engines popular?

They're more complicated, probably more expensive, and don't really offer the same incredible aftermarket that the LS has. If you're swapping a hemi into something you may well find yourself welding your own headers, which is fine if you know how and have the tools. A lot of people don't.

>Power
>Compact
>Light
>Cheap
>Ubiquitous

>A 2JZ can make 1000whp when you build there entire engine with lots of $$$, and then it'll still be a boat anchor with packaging the size of Texas
Ftfy.

An LSX will be cheaper to build, weigh less, and will make heaps more power reliable (and with a better powerband too). Any 3rd/4th gen SBC is objectily superior to the 2JZ, if only in weight.

More expensive, no aluminium blocks, and no swap kits available, which makes especially the ECU stuff very hard. In raw performance they usually outdo both the LS and Modular though (in competitions like Engine Masters for example), since they've got the best heads of the bunch.

Lets just hope the 4th gen Hemi goes out to 426 cubes (for the SRT8 models), has an aluminium block, and direct injection. That'd bring it well up to par with the LS and Mod.

this is so much wrong I cant help but laugh

LS engines are more expensive
weaker
makes less before losing reliability
slower (sorry no LS has come close to the fastest JZ cars)

LS is mediocre garbage for people who dont like cars and/or know nothing about them

Oh wait it's you.

i own 2jz and ls1 cars

ls1 is better

kys tripfag

>LSfanboys
>Foxfags

why are fans of American things always the worst

cool argument

cool argument

Here we go again...

cool argument

$500 and an afternoon t.b.h

>2JZ
>1000whp
>stock bottom end
maybe for 2 seconds before it blows up

better than a LS that blows up at 700hp

fastest stock block 2JZ is faster than the fastest stock block LS as well

came in multiple vehicles
made for a long time
multiple different version of them with good part interchangeability
huge after market

That's what people seem to misinterpret about reliability in boosted engines. Every time I see someone posting "1000hp on stock bottom end" it triggers my autism because it's obvious that that person has never built an engine much less a 2JZ. They don't understand that the sentiment only comes from a few guys that have actually built ~1000hp engines on stock internals only made a handful of passes with them without blowing them up. Then you get the benchracers who believe that these cars are running at 1000hp all day because they never see the builders turn down the boost and teardown the motor when they get home.

So much this

>and of course you have to pull out a non LS engine to try and defend the LS
TOP KEK, this nigger has no reading comprehension.
>iron block version
So the same engine but heavier and more widely available. Go back to school son, come back here when you can read a more complex book than The Cat In the Hat.

Because every other engine in existence is literally shit and counter intuitive and should be eradicated from history

still not an LS :^)

And to think they use antiquated pushrod technology.

Push rods push gods.

>Light weight
>Cheap
>Powerful
>Reliable

the LS engine is trash

It's a great engine. Reliable, powerful, fuel efficient. People here are poor and only own four cylinders and eco diesels and either
A: have never driven anything over 100hp and can't conceive what it's like,
B: tried to build their four cylinder up, made 125 hp, then tried to race and got slaughtered by an ls powered vehicle and are mad jealous, or
C: closed minded about anything not japanese.
Even the earliest (1997) ls1s made ~285hp at the wheels, they've only gone up from there.

It's an airport shuttle motor that lasts along time and GM puts one in almost all of there products.

its ok that trip guy is a neet and literally rides the bus

Cool argument

correct amount of cylinders

>
There is so much truth to this. It is a real shame knowing that more then half of the bench racing keks would think otherwise. To assume that even 500hp does not take a fanatical owner and total disregard for reliability and driveability does a great disservice to the people who actually build or run these things.

You are actually a retarded fuck with zero knowledge or experience if you think a stock internals 2jz can't reliably handle 500hp
A stock internals 800hp build will last over 20k miles easily

>bbbut ebay ricers that fucked their build up and had it detonate at 7000rpm mean I'm right!
You're an idiot
Stop posting any time

It goes both ways
You cry about weeaboos touting 2jz as some god engine
But there are even more dumb shit American fanboys who literally think you can get a ls from a junkyard for less than $500, throw another $500 at it, and suddenly you're making four digits horsepower and it will run for 100k miles without issue... as if it were bone stock
Go bitch about that.. but nah you won't because you're one of those dumb shits

Yes, Both will be unreliable if you run them at full boost. A 3l putting out 800hp is going to be a lot more stressed than a 6 liter putting out 800hp, You don't need to be an engineer to figure that out. If you ran 2 psi on the streets on the LS it'd last a pretty long time and you'd still have usable power across the powerband unlike a 2jz with a huge turbo. Even if you blow the LS it's 500 for a new block vs $5000 for a new 2j block.

yeah, well an lq9 can do it in less bars and last longer than 4 dyno pulls.

the 2jz is about as dependable as any TVR ever made.

Why cant we come to the agreement that the ls is a good engine and the 2j also good.. instead of listening to u 2 insufferable nutswingers.. some peoples kids

>displacement dictates reliability
How does it feel to be this stupid
although I guess that's what you get when you learn about cars from Veeky Forums

You can put a bone stock f20c through more shit than a 4.2l audi
the f20c can make 700hp on stock internals reliably... the 4.2l audi can't even make its stock na power reliability

Your logic is retarded
So are you

>displacement dictates reliability

That's why all industrial engines that have to run 24/7 are 2l Honda's with the highest possible hp/l, right? Few engines are worse than the Audi 4.2 so that's not really saying much to be more reliable than it.

the real question is, in all those years, why didn't anyone bother to give it dual overhead cams and 40 valves?

I literally bought an iron LS from a junkyard for $500. Swap kit for my car was $600 tho. Also no turbo. IMO everyone is being a sperg about turboing an LS. Biggest benefit to the LS isnt turbo potential, but just how much HP you can get in reliable stock form for the weight/money.

>iron ls
No such thing

>swapped it into muh chebby truck for $600
Good for you user

americans like to overpowered everything

>overpowered
dude theres I4's half the size of a small block and they make more power. americans just don't give a fuck about efficiency - basically because they were never told there was any need for it - so they build massive engines instead.

There are NA 4 cylinders making 300+ HP?

inb4 some high strung modded 2L

lq4, lq9, lm7 are all cast iron blocks and LS based.

Have you ever seen a small block in person? They're tiny and weigh as much as a turbo4 engine. Show me a sub 3 liter naturally aspirated 4 cylinder making a streetable xxxxhp and usable torque.

youtube.com/watch?v=fnq7qja7As8&t=6s

lsx block is ls based and those are cast iron.

overpowered cause they have no idea of what balance is

Because it would be bigger in size given the same displacement.

>GM practically put an LS derived v8 in almost every single product they offered so they're fucking everywhere
>stupid reliable
>stupid cheap
>can make stupid power with very little money
>small, decently light, and plenty of variations.
>any retard with half a brain cell and the Internet can stick one into a car of their choice
>aftermarket galore
>almost every single person that knows how to use a wrench can probably work on an LS

It's pretty much the best characteristics of all engines mashed into one.

It's cheap and simple, much like the people who say it's good.

>you can get a ls from a junkyard for less than $500, throw another $500 at it, and suddenly you're making four digits horsepower and it will run for 100k miles without issue

Nobody has ever said this.

Tbqh the only bad thing about the LS series is that they don't sound very good. Something like the Ferrari v8 in the Granturismo sounds like sex but the LS sounds like a tractor or industrial appliance.

>huur have you seen how small a v8 is
>proceeds to post video showing fuck huge v8
lmao

>sub 3 liter naturally aspirated 4 cylinder
whats wrong buddy? afraid of a turbo v6? LMAO

people say it all the time, do you even browse this board.
and mrcrummy says it every other day

>1000whp 2jz
>stock bottom end

Pick one

>people say it all the time
Citation needed.

>do you even browse this board.
If Veeky Forums is where you get your impression of the auto community, then you need to get out more.

the viper is faster than the gtr

Nope wrong

They are ok

There are
youtube.com/watch?v=Rx02iq78OJ8

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lurk more autist

>the 2jz is about as dependable as any TVR ever made.

delusional

Fuck off bus riding faggot bench racer

>this assmad

>Its another all you need is a boost controller and down pipe 600whp episode.

google "penetration pricing" and then "gm performance parts"

>GM performance parts
>not inferior to Ford Racing

pick 1

the LS1 is not a light engine by any stretch of the imagination. 500+ lbs fully dressed is heavy as shit and unless you are getting a C5 engine out of a vette its going to have X-box huge dimensions. its also not cheap because that C5 engine will run you 6k for one that isn't thrashed to shit with a gorillion miles on it. only the truck motors are plentiful and cheap-ish.

any import jap motor can be had for less and will come fully dressed, with less than 35k miles, AND a warranty.

The old belt-driven 4.2 is reliable as fuck though. The problem with the chain-driven 4.2 is the retardedly complex chain drive at the back of the block, not the block or internals.

How is the same engine out of a corvette any fucking smaller you monkey

google "reading comprehension"

Not him, but the corvette accessories are a bit tighter to the block. But the difference isn't that much

>this thread
All these benchriding busriders that never have worked on an engine

Ah yes just as I expected. Yet another LS thread turned into a sperg war. Never change Veeky Forums.

>came in multiple vehicles
So did I, but that doesn't make me a good engine.
I just know good places to hide from the cops.

I expected nothing less in all honesty

and into the crowd it goes.

actually they are ls based.

>not reliable enough to drive from track to track

Typical Ford....

youtube.com/watch?v=DMtD4nwrHiM

Because most people just stick shitty flowmaster 40s on their otherwise stock exhaust system and call it good. A properly built exhaust setup sounds baller as fuck.

this

What kind of tractors do you have around you? Most tractors are diesel.

Can any autist here explain why Chrysler/Dodge doesn't do a 426 hemi in the Charger/Challenger it seems like an obvious marketing win and surely the Hemi block is capable of 7+L. You could even make a 440ci cheaper version. Also does anybody know if Fords Hurricane V8 is capable of fitting in Mustang? I know the Hurricane is capable of 7L.

because theres no reason to make big engines these days and HEMI is all the marketing you need

>I know the Hurricane is capable of 7L.

an old ass Windsor is capable of 7L

This. Many engines make shitloads of power on oem parts but they're also being rebuilt and refreshed every few thousand miles at most.

>6 seconds

slower, and it uses a proline block, not a chevy one

sperg more

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The hemi design is more complex, the ECU is a nightmare.

A lot of the swap applications deal with small engine bays, something that the LS is perfectly suited for. All aluminum, no overhead cams or centrally mounted spark plugs to add head thickness. If you look at the side profile of the heads, they are almost triangular. Tiny package.

It may not be the best V8 by specs, but its hard to argue with results. GM took the best parts of the old small block and just made it better in every way. That, and its dirty cheap power.

for how much this board cares about weight, you think that the 2j would be less popular here.

>better than a LS that blows up at 700hp
???????????
Weakest part are the rods, get a later 5.3 and it can easily take a good raping

He's just a weeb with a fwd shitbox. Don't take him seriously.

because LS leg humpers lack originality and are like a retard on viagra, theyll stick it into anything. its a dinosaur pushrod engine that lacks originality

Considering there's 3 engines to choose (ls1-3) plus a variety of 4.8-6.2 liter lesser LS engines. 2 block generations, multitude of aftermarket brands, and ability to mix and match across generations. You can get fairly creative with your build.

im not saying theyre bad engines and i have a 6.0 LS Chevy pickup but i dont get the whole shove them into a S2K, Cressida, whatever fad. my Toyota Crown i did a bunch of work to the shitty regular 7MGE and get compliments on it, dont see the point of shoving a V8 pushrod in random cars