/org/: Summer's basically over at this point edition

my ego is not on a physical doll

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Pics or it didn't happen

Gay

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I dig it

Boy I love me some KAY OH TWOOOOS

why

I think when these tires are kill im going to go larger.

KO2s? If so, you might be waiting a while since your pics look still quite meaty. Do you have lifts / disk right now or did you just try and stuff 33s in with some rubbing?

Save up money and do an IFS swap it.

>IFS swap
Wait, are the Tacomas SFA from the factory?

Oops. Sry. SFA swap *

They're definitely IFS see . I wonder what vehicles come stock with SAS nowadays that aren't lumbering status symbol barges.

I have a lift. Whats a IFS swap?

I believe it has coil overs up front and leafs in rear.

I think the 70-series Land Cruiser you can get brand new in Australia and Asia are SFA, but that thing really is an antique

Same goes for the Y61 Patrol, which is still manufactured and sold in certain shitholes of the world, and that does have SFA

You could do a SFA swap. Been in a gen3 lifted taco and they're comfortable enough to maybe justify a solid front swap. Then you can go over any rock you want. The only problem is that anything you crawl over on 38s will chew through your doors if you want to keep up with the clubs. Even if you have autistically bubbled out roll cages, shards still get in.
Depends how much you value the look and resale value of your new truck. You'll definitely be the most comfortable rock crawler out there.

[spoiler]The price of doing an SFA swap could get you a YJ running 40s but don't let me stop you from something this cool[/spoiler]

You mean the Land Cruiser 79 and 76 "reuploads"? Also, what are shithole patrols going for in the "certain shitholes of the world"?

Aye, that'd be the ones

And I really have no idea - but I'd imagine that they aren't stupidly expensive, and I'd expect that since they are now produced in an aforementioned shitholes there is a lot of price-reducing stuff being done like no airbags, less luxury options, cheap plastics and such

Honestly once i get a house ill get a shit box to build. Right now this truck is my overlander/camping rig.

>ill get something like pic related.

Weren't that the Patrols to begin with? Nissan never fell to the SUV barge fad like Land Cruisers and Land Rovers, did they?

Nah bro buy an RV and funnel all your money into an empty plot of land with 3-5 different vehicles and a gun range outside your stoop.

>that cargo carrier
>on the roof
Wow that's actually a surprisingly good idea. Gonna install a trailer hitch on the roof just for this. Need to make a note of that somewhere.

Toyota did something a bit different by having essentially two lineups of Land Cruisers at all times; one that was more offroad-oriented, while another was more for luxury

The Y60 Patrol only came in one type, but you could equip it either like a farmers shed, or you could pour it full of equipment like rear AC, velour upholstery, loads of speakers, leather and so on

Y61 was much in the same way, but landed more in the middle-ground between offroad anc comfort; it sat tall, had relatively low gearing, proper transfer case, locking rear diffs, solid front axle and solid rear axle, but you could get every luxury comfort you'd ever expted in a full-size SUV like it

Because people like to bully me for being 2wd (with a locker) but I also play along

What are you running right now?

He meant SFA swap. Solid front axle because Yellow YJ guy made it a meme

Asking for a friend

What's American made SUV that is comparable to the Fj cruiser?

I want something nice, so if your answer is suburban, I think that is tooo big for me

I want something like an fj cruiser but American made and something that lasts/has easily found parts for repairs.

I want one, I really do but how long can these last?

Two door Jeep. Why not just buy an FJ Cruiser since it lasts pretty well and has easily found parts for repair as well.

What part of them lasting? They have electronics that will turn off one at a time as you drive them for more than a decade but then again you really don't NEED adaptive crawl control or TPS monitors. Buy it, dip it in a galvinisation tank, and do routine maintenance and you should be good forever. Once it hits 300k, engine and trans swap it and keep it chugging along with the destroyed electronics from your river crossings, mud boggings, dust gremlins, etc.

>Two door Jeep. Why not just buy an FJ Cruiser since it lasts pretty well and has easily found parts for repair as well.

Bro, parts for these vehicles are rare...

Define "rare". Toyota and Jeep have the most aftermarket support of all offroad vehicles. On top of that, every mechanic can service these vehicles.

I have money...

I've been looking for an engine/trans and parts for an jf cruiser..

Can't find any parts, best I would need if the toyota lasts over 300k is getting it rebuilt or buy a low millage salvage

>Enjoy what little bit of summer is left
I can't wait till the first snowfall comes in a months time

Still debating wether or not I should go mad and "invest" in a set of 35x12.5x17'ish Duratracs, have them extra siped and shot up with some semi-truck studs

I get to enjoy slip-sliding around this year for my first real winter with a RWD truck

get the duratracs you h*cking cuck. make sure to get the d-ratings. i'm probably going to sell these 33 KO2s and find 35 Duratracs when i get the next chance.

I wonder if I could get a cheap patrol body and put... say... a Scion cube or prius body on it and toss a cummins in the back seat to power it FWD.

How. The FJ Cruiser uses a similar everything to the Tundra and Land Cruisers. Rockauto, toyota dealership, any reputable mechanic can find parts for you.

If not, aftermarket toyota FJ places like crusierparts and other us based websites have pretty much the entire vehicle for sale piece by piece.

Get some decent tires and it shouldn't be a problem, unless it also has wide tires as standard, an automatic gearbox and loads of power

I run in RWD just about always here, with no weight in the back. I did experiment with having a good 450 pounds of concrete on the bed, and it sure did increase the traction - but I still get around no issue with nothing in it

Why is that d-rating so important if I'm only going to run it in winter? Are the sidewalls at danger when running low-low pressure even on something like soft snow?

The side walls had issues when aired down on mud against rocks and branches and everything. Then again, people were doing something stupid like 5PSI on their tyres.

I think D-walled are now standard on their tyres since wranglies had to up their game to deal with the fact that people kept popping their tyres and dealing with "warranty". But like most things, if you're going to spend over a grand on them, simply don't cheap out.

I just have my AT tires, but I think I might deflate a bit when it gets icy

I'll have to look it up - still, those tires won't ever see bare ground, rocks, mud or anything like that. Just snow and ice

>deflate
>icy
You want to have more weight on a smaller area when its icy. Still, its an AT-tire; your ice grip is non-existent anyways

Shit. I just bought these and don't have the money for another set of tires

what gains should I expect?

maybe a tumour in your brain

Unlimited wheel travel and over 350 horsepower to all four wheels

fuck, can't wait

>inb4 faggot

New to offroading never owned a 4x4, my dad owned a Patrol GR i remember being a young land and going up mountain roads, it was a beautiful machine, of course back then i didn't knew it, but no2 the 4x4 thing is starting to grow on me, first with patrols,then defenders and now the land cruiser 79, i watched a lot of Ronny Dall the australian fella he seems pretty cool, any other channels you can recommend?? I'm already putting money aside for an overland vehicle, don't really know what to get, the 79 series is pretty scarce in europe, i was leaning more towards the defender 130 with portal axles , so in the back i could build a small box in the back for the fridge etc. I don't really like the new oval shapes of the new toyotas the don't look rugged at all, where as the defender and the land cruiser 79 series look the part, and i know it's a very subjective thing but box shapes i lykeallot, that's why i have a soft spot for the g wagen but that's not a realistic dream it's too far out for an overland build.

Thanks for the help

G-Wagen overland builds are only money because of the rare tax. You can probably get one hauled over from Germany for around $13 k USD of those old ones powered by the OM617.931. If you do that, swap in an OM617.952 for an extra $2000.

This will be more reliable and better suited for offroad than your Defender 130 and possibly be cheaper as well. As an overlander, you could get the Defender 110 but the gas prices would make this vehicle somewhat unreasonable compared to the initial investment (mainly time) in getting an old(er) G-Wagon.

This is coming from a person in the Americas. I'm assuming you're in Bongistan and not central EU snice you're eyeing the Defender instead of the more common Land Cruiser 70s/60s. So of course, the downside of the cheap(er) land cruiser / g-wagons is that you will probably find a LHD one instead of RHD.

If you can settle for a small oval shape, consider the Land Cruiser 80 or some of the vehicles we mentioned Patrol / Pajero / Navara etc.

You'll find the majority of Defenders, be they 90s, 110s or 130s are diesel anyway. And I'd by no means rate a G-Class ahead of a Defender unless factory lockers were taken into account.
If you're looking at Landrovers, aim for an early mechanical injected 200TDi. They've got just enough grunt to pull the skin of a rice pudding, reasonably economical and will run forever. Being all mechanical fuel injection systems are cheap enough to upkeep. Plenty of folks run around in TD5s, but I would avoid it.
Another budget conscious platform these days are 2nd Gen Montero/Shoguns. Big overkill drivetrain in a moderate size SUV big enough to carry two people and everything they'd need for weeks on end. I'd aim for the 4M40T 2.8 diesel, which itself was designed as a light commercial.industrial powerplant adapted to a light 4x4. Or if petrol is more your thing the 3.5 V6 is the go. Avoid the 2.5 diesel and 3.0 V6.
Can't go wrong with a J80 Landcruier or Y60 Patrol either, depending what they're worth in your location. Either version with a 4.2 diesel speaks for itself, but the factory turbo diesel 1HD-T powered J80 would be the pick.

>modern gen 2.5 Montero exists

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Nice Xterra

>factory turbo diesel 1HD-T powered J80 would be the pick.
agreed. it's got the displacement, torque, and fuel economy to match. It's also an S-class overlander due to the space and the luxuries that toyota gave it.

>I'd by no means rate a G-Class ahead of a Defender unless factory lockers were taken into account
Depends which G-Class we're talking about. But he mentioned that a G-Wagon would be his definite choise and I was just giving him options he has in Europe.
I'm thinking of importing a two door Gelandewagon and OM617.951 swapping it one day (simple bolt on job with the trans and moving it a 14mm back with the mounts) to use it for rock crawling on 38 inch tyres or something. That's the dream. Or a Land Rover 90.

>gen 2.5 Montero pre-dates first gen xterra by 2 years
What's it like living with brain damage?

Mitsubishi a shit

Why

Mitsubishi a best

He's memeing, senpai. It's like when people see a Ferrari on this board and they say "nice fierro".

At least you understand

It's also the shear construction of the 1HD. Tear one down and you quickly get an idea of what they're capable of. Also, if you're chasing horsepower and want to stay mechanical, they already have a 12mm plunger equipped injection pump to begin with.
The "Silvertop" TD42 equipped to the early Y60 Patrols is another bulletproof unit that's more or less a miniature 6B-T Cummins. They just need a turbo manifold and a fuel pump upgrade if you want to chase big horsepower.

I have a great appreciation for the OM617 powered G-Wagens, but further than the motor I don't really know much about them. What sort of gearbox, transfer and differentials they run. Where as I know the Salisbury LR units, while they have their minor flaws from factory, can be built into a tough unit with very little outlay. The biggest thing I hate about Series LRs and Defenders is gearbox exchange requires half the interior removed and an engine crane. It's a reminder they really did originate from the Rover parts bin with a simple platform slapped up around it in a half assed manner.

Best of luck with the Gelandewagon dream.
Also, I forgot about the Isuzu powered Landrovers. They'd be THE desirable model. And the 4BD1 3.9 Isuzu engine would hold together better if you end up chasing a little more grunt. I guess the 200TDi is a good consolation.
Mitsubishi a best

I love you Tay, please go offroad with me.

The US has the market for the diesels that were overlooked in Canada simply due to the sales volume being so low. The shitbox gasoline FZs and FEs are what powers almost all the 80s in Canada with the diesels going for 2x the amount. That's why you see Cummins swaps and other diesels (like my reported OM617 swap) going into the FZs as life goes on.
The issue with higher HP output on the 1HDs is that emissions can get kinda rough here with messing with the injections, intake manifolds, etc. This and overcharging with improper boost could mess with your lines later on down the engine's lifetime. Not so much on the 1HD but on the G-Wagon OM617s, they can cause cylinder fails if you just turn up the fuel / air input without accounting for a few other factors. 1HD can handle boost pretty well from a turbo, though but at the cost of gas mileage, of course. This is why I'm opting for a smaller diesel to put in my FJ80.

Also yeah. Most of the good Nissan engines were modeled after tractor engines simply due to their lack of diesel engineering experience in trucks (IIRC). Patrols never sold in Canada (or the US, I think) and if they did, they were probably in the 1000s per decade due to special orders so you'll never see them or their components here. And the Nissan Titan wasn't released until 2003 and equiped with a V8 and later V6 and never got the massive I-6 torque that it could have had they been manufactured in the 80s.

bhomst?

Oh and on the 617s. I like the fact that the OM617s are a five cylinder. My first car was a five cylinder which is why I really wanted to put one in the land cruiser and sourced both an OM617.951 (turbo diesel and more solid construction capable of handing massive amounts of pressure) and an OM617.931 out of a 1981 G-Wagon. A few things are different on the G-Wagon and it'd be a monster of an engine if I were to keep those g-wagon specific parts of the engine to shop onto the more modern and capable OM617.951.
The .951s never really made good truck applications (not sure why) and were put in their lux sedans and faster barge vehicles because they could finally push their 4000lb solid barges past 180km. For this reason, the transfer cases were never really specialised to them and figuring out how to make adapter plates for the transfer case / transmission may take a lot of time. The G-Wagons are now too archaic for me to really read into their transfer case and gearing of the stock G300s. If I get a beaten stock G300, the first thing I'm doing is engine swapping it out and maybe getting a different transfer case with a set of other axles. They weren't meant for high strength rock beating in the front/side leafsprings. These people on the G-Wagon forums tend to try and restore old G-Wagons back to their original components for some weird, weird reason. They're uncomfortable and slow. Why.

The Canadian army uses a special turbo diesel i-5 g-wagon that I would absolutely die for. But they scrap them all with a contract under Mercedes-Benz Canada because G-Wagons need to have that status symbol and they can't have poorfag no-moneies buying up all their 2000 units they throw out every year and stancing them or some stuff. Bloody shame, though.

Land Rover maintenance can go to heck. That just makes me angry. Same thing with the Ram 2500 modern cummins how you have to remove the cab of the truck to get to the engine because they're way too heavy to lift out.

No argument here. If I was looking for a diesel Landcruiser option in North America, I wouldn't be looking at a factory Toyota motor. Even in Australia where they're reasonably plentiful, they're quite highly revered amongst the diesel tuning community and quite overpriced IMO. As an Ausfaggot I'd simply go with an N/A 4.2 1HZ (HZJ80) version and have the bottom end built with 1HD crank, rods and piston. You might miss out on the multivalve direct injection head, but the savings are worth it, and I'm not really after big power.
If I was in North America looking to repower a Landcruiser, I'd simply go with a 6.2/6.5 GM diesel. Been done heaps of times with absolutely everything required being off the shelf. There's also the Isuzu 4BD1 option, although I'm not sure how you'd go with adapters. There's a few J80 Cruisers running around the states with Mitsubishi 4D34s with the auto gearbox and transfercase out of a 4x4 Fuso Canter truck that pique my interest.

As much as I like the OM617, and most things Mercedes diesel for that matter, I just have my doubts as to how an older mechanical 3.0 diesel will go pushing a 2200kg tare SUV... Although it can't be any worse than the Y60 Patrols factory fitted with 2.8L RD28T... Just try find 4.6:1 gears if sticking to near factory tyre sizes, or around 5ish:1 if going near 33-35".
Nothing wrong with personal preferences.

On the subject of military light vehicles, up until recently Aus used Isuzu 4BD1 powered Landrovers with an N/A version for the 4x4 and a turbo'd version for the 6x6. However the LR fleet is currently under going update with a switch to 3.0L CRDi V6 diesels.
At least here they auction their old cars off, and unlike the US they are legal for road registration.

You're going to hate me for this and wonder why. But I'm putting in a VW 1.9L I-4 and doing a massive turbo upgrade. Then mating that to an older mechanical transmission off an FJ70 and using that to power my FJ80. TDI already bought and sent out to Vancouver for the computer to be modified to work with the transmission. We have limited options in Canada so we get very creative. (pls no bully. thank.)

GM was something I was going to do with odd heads off a Vortec onto a 6.2 or 6.5. Or a cummies swap. But the cruisers around here with a cummies on electronic transmission are having quite some issues so we'll see that.

The OM617 N/A ran 90HP and pushed along a 4800lb G-Wagon just fine in the 80s. TD OM617 (the 951 I keep talking about) pushes the land cruiser up to a top speed of 135km so it works. You can always upgrade the turbo like the Scandnavians do, anyway.

Hmm might be worth looking at Aus made Land Rovers for cheaper military spec vehicles. Something to consider. Could even swap out the whole dash and steering column and front axle off them to easily do a convert of RHD to LHD, too. "easily". sry.

>I'm putting in a VW 1.9L I-4 and doing a massive turbo upgrade
O_o
I didn't expect that.
That's also what I like about the 6.2/6.5 option, is it adapts straight to factory gearbox, so here's no changes to any of the drivetrain and the teething issues that come with custom driveshaft lengths and angles.
I don't know how you'd go with Vortec heads on a diesel though...

Hi mates. Newfag lurker here. What's with taylor swift being a reoccurring meme in these threads? Does she offroad or something?

Thanks alot guys will be definitely follow the threads and lurk. So it comes down to defender, patrol and land cruiser.

I'm also new but i guess it's slang for toyota?? I'm probably wrong

It's because one regular poster here is beyond obsessed with her, and if he didn't work so much he'd literally stalk her. There was a time when he wouldn't make a post that didn't include a Taylor picture. Therefore he earned himself a nickname. And we kinda like him, so we tolerate it.

any youtube channels like this one'?

youtu.be/nhQnFRyY_io?t=13m59s

or is he the only one that can afford doing this??

Don't disregard the Shogun ;)

no i'm not but i just don't like the mitsus from an aesthetic stand point, they look really weird to me.

Each to their own I guess... If you were talking aesthetics I would've rated the 2nd gen Shogun marginally above the J80 Cruiser and well above the Y60 Patrol. Likewise the 3rd gen Shogun comfortably above the Y61 and well above the J100.

That's a nice ride. I definitely think they are capable offroaders but i just like the Box shape aspect, they look ok but it doesn't shout at me "put a lift and big tires on me" where as the 70 series looks so dated i was surprised how the didn't do much to it, looks exactly like it did 40 years ago, now depending on your taste that can be a good or a bad thing. I just prefer a very rugged box look.

What mods you plan on adding??

How do you guys feel about the suburban vs anything else?

looks like a thug mobile, the diffs seems pretty low

I may be biased, but I love suburbans, my old one...

just got a 2016 Tacoma TRD Sport with 30,000kms on it, previous owner put on KO2s, leveling kit, and some other minor stuff.

I've ordered some recovery gear; some snatch straps and Treds, has anyone put air lockers on their Taco? Any recommendations?

pic unrelated, some Prado action

Man this is what i would like the 130 to be like, but with a full canopy

youtube.com/watch?v=XLqc5ICnDSU

is the price too high??

autoscout24.com/offers/land-rover-defender-130-crew-cab-70500-km-airco-black-white-diesel-white-ce222a13-6df9-41bb-837b-dcc704bd8ce9?cldtidx=4

i think he is asking a bit much for a 70k kilometers pick up, also those fucking wheels gotta get rid of them, i'm just mainly looking around not buying yet maybe in a couple of years, but the 130 in the video is what i would like as a starting base

I always recommend ARB lockers if you want to go air. Got any pics of the Tacoma?

I'll update as life goes on...

y u give up on g-wagon dream!?

Seems about right for a reasonably build Defender. I still say you should go try to find a Land Cruiser FJ70 or 80. It'll be a third of the price and you'll be able to get the roofrack addition with a tent on top and a lot of your own personalised armour.

these fucking auzzies have money to burn

youtube.com/watch?v=yHKWIJpScRw

also what is it with patrol drivers?? is the car not capable or the driver? it seems they are putting these long wheelbase models through some very harsh tracks. they don't seem well suited for it.

>y u give up on g-wagon dream!?
i wish i had enough cash for it, the plan right now is just allocating money so in about 4 years i should have the starting budget, everywhere i read the g wagen has reliability issues talking about the 2000 and onwards models, they seem pretty flimsy, and very expensive to maintain, even though i would love an overland G320 with portal axles i don't see it happening.

>Seems about right for a reasonably build Defender. I still say you should go try to find a Land Cruiser FJ70 or 80. It'll be a third of the price and you'll be able to get the roofrack addition with a tent on top and a lot of your own personalised armour.

yeah the 79 series dual cab is really really attractive, it's got so much potential and capability.

cheers, have been looking at ARB and Pelfreybilt

I'll try to take some decent ones soon, only have a few shitty ones from when I installed the TRD Pro grill, didn't dig the chrome one...

Nigga I told you that G-Wagons prior to the 2000s can run you around $15 - $35 USD. That's E13 000 - E30 000 for an older G-Wagon that you can offroad and have. If you get the older G300 with the OM617s, you can swap out those axles for under the price of the base Defender 130.

Get the 79 if only to make me jealous that we can't egt them in North America.

makes my nether regions engorge

youtube.com/watch?v=gQfFO51TJh4

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they do look good all kitted out, gorgeous machines

but i mainly like the new g's even though their reputation has been tainted by rappers and rich milfs in beverly hills.

But i do hear your advice, older is better, even though the new ones look fuckin insane, with a lift and some kits on it. Fucking mercedes and rich people man, i hate it when they ruin shit.

also speaking about the new G's let's not forget this epic fail

youtube.com/watch?v=1fNwKYPX5ws

only the military speck survived.

i shouldn't be this hard on it, anybody that goes in to the outback with stock suspensions is not going to make it out alive, it's just to rough for standard coils and little travel, so this test is pretty much retarded, if anything else goes to show how much the cars endured.

Pic related. I got to finally ride in one of the LUVWs in Central Ontario back in Feburary. They're the I-5 TDs I mentioned . The CF use them for light recon, troop support, coms, and general fast calvary-style purposes.

And doing Timmies / McDonald's runs on their off-time.

You should hate modern Land Cruiser J200s if that's the case, too. New money Saudis and generic urban families buy them to shuttle themselves around as well.

Get an old two door, chop it into an extended/access cab, extend the frame, and put a bed on it. You'll still have the short wheelbase but get essentially a box-style you like and the utility. The best part about this is that it'll cost half the price of a Defender 130 in both initial price AND yearly maintenance.

I'm also going to need a TL;DW on that video.

Oh and the reason I'm especially salty about the Canadian Military destroying around 100-1000 LUVWs per year instead of selling / scrapping them is because these ones have the half-inch steel thick doors. They're literally built armoured for rock crawling but still passing for a civilian vehicle since they top out at 120km/h. The doors can probably hold up the weight of the vehicle so if you lift them on portals and run 40 inch tyres, you would have to try really hard to actually dent one of the doors. The only downside, I guess, is the fact that they have no crumple zones whatsoever since it's just fully armoured (for deflection, anyway) and covered in solid steel all around. Wear a helmet when driving at all times.
They're also rarely driven in salt since most of the scrapped ones are the ones shipped in from overseas in the Middle East / Africa.

AHHH AND THE BEDLINER STYLE MILSPEC PAINT THAT THEY USE. Ahhh I'm mad.