Can somebody give me the rundown on Land Rover Discovery IIs?
In the market for a new ride, must be 4x4, and really want a (((current gen))) Tacoma. Had planned on saving up for the next year (recent grad, new job) but my transmission just went out on my 2000 Jimmy (a year too soon; just hit 190k miles).
I've lusted after the LR Discovery since I was a kid, and after spending the evening digging through overpriced used Tacos, decade old Sierras and Silverados, I've come across some good deals on a few Discoverys.
Do I fulfill a childhood dream, Veeky Forums? pic related is 2002 LR Discovery II SE AWD, 77k miles for $12k. I am frequently on gravel/trails/off-road, camp often anywhere from the Ozarks to the Rockies, and am planning a 2-3 month overlanding trip for sometime in the next 1-3 years.
Look up Doug demuro's review on his Land Rover. It's a fucking money pit. Unless you get a 6+ year 60,000+ mile warranty I would suggest not buying one.
On my phone so I can't do it for you
Blake Johnson
bump
Jose Torres
There's a reason you find a good deal on em. It's cause their fucking shit regardless of low miles
Ryder Cox
Expensive to fix, all of them have electronic issues and just about every model year has some unique mechanical shortcoming. Sometimes it's valve timing issues, others its differential problems, others its transmissions skipping gears/rough shifting, etc.
They're cool cars but they're not the most reliable vehicles. Definitely not a good choice as your only DD. More like a cool second or third car to use for fun/camping.
Ian Nguyen
His Range or Defender? I'm talking Discos.
Christian Richardson
care to explain?
Leo Flores
You're best just sticking to LR forums. The problem here is anons who've never had anything to do with the subject just parrot vague critisms as though it's their own wisdom, but when pressed they cannot substantiate any of the claims.
Christian Rivera
thank you. I should have figured. maybe /overlanding general/ can help more.
Camden Scott
No worries. I'm quite fond of the earlier 200TDi, even 300TDi Discoveries, and they're reasonably bulletproof. Slow, but reliable and frugal. Wish I could tell you more about the later Disco 2 V8 and TD5 but then I'd too be regurgitating other folk's anecdotes.
Jason Phillips
tell me about the 2 and 300?
Josiah Collins
Just a solid old fashioned mechanically injected diesel. They're by no means as refined as the later TD5, but a lot more bushproof. As I said slow, but you can manually adjust the boost compensator pin on the fuel pump and bleed a bit of pressure away from the waste gate for more power (like any other mechanically injected turbo diesel with a compensated pump), but I wouldn't recommend that unless you have an EGT monitor. Increasing EGT through over fuelling on these is a sure fire way to catastrophic failure.
For me I'm happy living with a slow diesel, I just drive for economy on the road and keep it maintained, where as I found the turbo gave it enough (only just) to climb long, power sapping, low traction hills.
I'll add, I've never owned an LR, but have friends who love theirs, and are happy having a hand lent to turn spanners. While I was looking for a 4x4 I ended up with a 2.8L turbo diesel Montero for a steal, of which I like for similar reasons to the Discovery.
Connor Williams
Decent ones can be had for ~$1,500+
Carson Collins
Fuck it dude. You've always wanted one, go buy it. Everyone is going to tell you they're a lot to maintain and they're right, but that doesn't mean they're impossible to keep running. There are loads of resources online for almost every problem you'll run in to so just be prepared to learn how to work on it.
Dominic Johnson
pre crysler g wagon will do better, and ricemobile will do even better. they are comfy af to drive but break like shit and expensive to fix
yota prado or whatever is better if u want muhh status symbol buy used g class
Alexander Jenkins
with less than 150k miles that don't need a ton of work (or won't in the next 10k miles)?
Wyatt Green
any specific years to look at? g wagon ((wagen)) is another lusty 4x4.
Benjamin Williams
Go check it out in person. With that mileage and the price it might actually be in good shape. Run away if it has rust though. Come to terms with becoming your own mechanic. Do it. You won't regret it.
Jayden Jackson
any year literally before crysler magna steyr or nothing my man
Isaiah Edwards
also older ones seem to be better offroaders, 463 or whatever the fuck these small engined fuckers are called
Chase Ramirez
Are you this much of a newfag to automotive? RUN AWAY AS FAST ASYLU CAN FROM ANYTHING LANDROVER OR JAGUAR...unless you have more than $10,000 on hand to handle repairs for a year or two.
just look at it. isn't it beautiful, Veeky Forums?
Eli Sanders
I want one but I'm on the wrong coast.
Daniel Evans
eastie problems
Parker Carter
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Jaxon Perry
they're hunks of shit, if your after a cheapie serious 4x4 get a cherokee
Eli Gonzalez
>accuses others of being new >gets his auto info from doug demuro >autistic meltdown when challenged to support his argument
Robert Morris
Ok sir, don't listen to all the clueless anons.
The Discovery II is somewhat of a reliable car, depending on the configuration. This car does have its fault, but nothing will brake on it that will leave you stranded. Things you want to buy on your Discovery : >coil suspension as the air suspension is the real issues with Land Rover, especially from that era. Sure, air suspension got a whole lot cheaper in 2017, but you are still looking at 1000 euros for the entire system. But usually the problems arise in the form of a broken compressor. >The engines. Sturdy engines but many electric gremlins. The 2.5TD is from BMW and it is a bulletproof engine, but it is far from fast. The 4.0 V8 is nice, but thirsty and full of electrical issues >The gearbox : The manual gearbox is pretty terrible. The 4 speed auto is from ZF, also borrowed from BMW, and is a thing of beauty and reliability. Other weak points to consider: >mainly electrical stuff and the A/C crapping out. However, unlike the Ranger Rover, the Discovery has less technology on it, therefore less stuff to break down.
This is just about the most reliable Land Rover you can get, if you follow the specifications which I told you about above. That being said, the general impression of Land Rover from this era is that yes many small things will not work, but never will you be left stranded. Nothing major breaks on this car ( except for the listed things above ).
Ah yeah, one more thing : They do tend to eat batteries, but nothing too horror.
Charles Cruz
Also, don't take advice from Doug's videos, as he has an LR322 Range Rover, which is a completely different animal from the previous P38 Range Roger, let alone the Discovery. The LR322 is notorious for being a massive heap of shit and as the first Land Rover which had air suspension only.
Btw, don't think that the Land Rover air suspension was bad. They were all bad back in the day. The W220 S Class suffers from this especially. Ever wondered why the W220 S Class is so damn cheap? Here's your answer.
Jacob Cruz
What makes you think a Cherokee is any better?
Juan Harris
The 2.5TD is not from BMW at all...
Lincoln Phillips
Which 2.5TD are you talking about anyway? I only know of the early 4 cylinder 200/300TDi based on a decades old LR design, and the TD5 which at the time was a ground up modular design. Niether of these are remotely related to any BMW...
Blake Thompson
Im sorry senpaitachi, the 2.5TD from the Discovery is actually an Rover design, the 2.5TD from the P38 Ranger Rover is actually the BMW one,.
Chase Jackson
thanks, user. I don't mind wrenching a bit, but how is electrical on things like windows, locks, radio, moonroofs, etc.?
Also not looking at diesels, just the V8. And you've reiterated lots of what I've read: small issues that won't leave one stranded. Also, I don't watch youtube auto or /k/ channels.
Jaxon Scott
no. just getting done with my trusty Jimmy; would like something more of a new flavor.
Lucas Johnson
this guy gets it
Justin Campbell
It's reliable and will take a beating off road. Aftermarket is massive and largely inexpensive.
Leo Price
I don't know much about the Disco, but on the P38 Ranger Rover ( same period ) all the electricals are bolted to one huge panel, so when something fails you're gonna have a good time finding which circuit is operating what. The biggest problem on this generation Land Rover is the A/C which tends to crap out and tends to eat electricy like a black person in a Walmart parking lot from a taser. Just make sure you buy the correct battery. Also, it's a fucking classic Land Rover, it's easy to work on but you will have to work constantly if you want to keep yours pristine.
All in all the Discovery 2 is hailed as a great off-roader in the off-road community. Just that is abit rare due to it being very long and very, very heavy, which are bad when it comes to off-roading.
But for forest roads, farms and everything that is not competitive off-road, the Disco II is a great car. Not very reliable, but great.
If you want to go all out on reliability and off-road abilities but to hell with any sorts of comfort, then the Defender is for you.
I used to have a P38, and it sure was a damn good tractor. The last Ranger Rover with which you could actually go do some hektik rock-climbing. Not like the frail, luxury stuff of today.
Adam Phillips
anybody care to comment on pricing?
Gabriel Stewart
Way overpriced. I'm assuming you live in the US and a lot of the diesel recommendations on here will not apply to you. You're stuck with the V8 petrol with the automatic gearbox.
Things to look for: >rust the frames tend to rust on the D2 >head gasket terrible over heating problems on the D2 if not properly maintained >front propshaft they tend to disintegrate if not lubed
I like the 2004 because of the more powerful 4.6 V8 (but sensitive as well with the head gaskets) and locking center diff. If you can find a 2004 that isn't a complete clusterfuck, you should go for it.
overpriced 15 year old money-sink that get like 9mpg..... WHY? you could lease something new -- Jeep wrangler unlimited or jeep GC -- for the same amount you'd be paying in maintenance, gas, insurance, car payment on one of these shit boxes
nobody is going to think you're rch or cool with a 15yo land rover parked outside of your apartment complex
Brayden Jenkins
>childhood dream Did you miss that part of op's plea or are you willfully ignoring it to be contrarian?
Julian Myers
It's a 100" wheelbase and marginally over 2 tonnes. It's niether long nor heavy.
Hudson Parker
More so with the LR. Not to mention there's a shit load more options with the factory LR drivetrain, where as the diffs in the Cherokee are junk.
Isaac Ross
I was reffering to competitive off-roading, where the wheelbase and the weight should be as low as possible.
Brayden Hill
In terms of competitive offroading, you might have a point on weight, but wheelbase is near perfect. Even then, compared to other fullsize SUVs they're weighted quite reasonably and make a good basis for a winching challenge truck. If you're comparing it to a tube frame rock crawling buggy though, that's just stupid.
Colton Rivera
parts are hard to come by tee bee aytch
Cooper Hill
Hey OP I'll give you a few pointers. I DD an 03 D2. >what to look out for Headgasket problems, the "three amigos" (look it up), and undercarriage rust. That's about it. What will go wrong is the small stupid stuff. Oh and UJ's >tips Don't buy a shitty one and think you can fix it. Just don't. Better off spending more initially than spending the same amount on a pos over a period of time (it will happen). Trust me I have 5 Rovers >things to look for 03/04 "facelifted" versions. (4.6L and better headlights and CDL on 04) there is a very noticeable difference between the 4.0 and the 4.6 believe me. >my experience Bought mine at 90k has 125k now. No major issues at all. Like I said earlier it's the little shit that gets you. Parts aren't really expensive as people say they are, most can be swapped between GM parts. I love this truck. So unique and if your TC system works literally unstoppable. I go up power line trails every weekend and have yet to get stuck. Pull the trigger if you find a good one. I'd check the Land Rover groups on FB. One thing I love about LR's is we're all a family. Might sound queer but we are. Lots of very helpful people.
Isaiah Reyes
How would you check for headgasket problems?
Jack Johnson
OP, I'm a mechanic by trade and I specialize in British vehicles. The most common problems I've seen with Disco I and IIs are blown head gaskets and owners not keeping up with tune ups. They will run fine with blown head gaskets as they usually leak coolant out the back of the head and down the rear of the block, almost never into the cylinders. And crappy old plugs are just crappy old plugs, people waiting +100k miles before changing plugs. And I found that for some reason Land Rovers don't like Autolite plugs. Not really too much besides that.
The Disco II specifically though is a little weird. The CV joint on the front driveshaft can go bad so look at that. And for several years they made the Disco II with the older transfer case that has a diff lock position but never hooked it up, so all you could shift was high or low. You can get a new transfer case shifter that allows you to access that though, and the combination of the mechanical center lock and electronic 4x4 aids make a vehicle that is nigh impossible to get stuck.
Angel Hill
if you're asking this it will be too hard for you, just take it to a mechanic for an inspection and ask for a compression test
Jose Reyes
Not op, just asking out of curiosity. How's anyone supposed to learn things like this if the answer is "have someone else do it for you"?
Cooper Robinson
I got a Cherokee 4.0 4x4 at about the same time my friend got a disco. In my ownership of the Cherokee it's only major failure was a water pump at 220k miles. My friend d sold his disco at 60k miles after countless repairs.
They have a reputation for a reason, if you want a large comfy suv get a land cruiser or lx
Elijah Howard
The best way to learn is buy an absolute piece of shit unreliable car like a Land Rover Discovery, wait a few weeks until it breaks down, then have no money to fix it, forcing you to learn how to diagnose and repair the vehicle. You will almost assuredly misdiagnose the vehicle multiple times, install the wrong parts or install the right parts in the wrong fashion, allowing you to learn even more systems as you go along.
Anthony Murphy
thanks everybody. lots of good info here.
also, I just bought a 2011 Tacoma.
Cooper Watson
Most of them are pretty obvious. Look on the very back of the block between Cyl 7-8. That's the most common spot. Also an exhaust leak sound.
Liam Rivera
Pretty much how it goes but hey I'm satisfied with my unreliable pos. Lemme guess you drive a 2005 V6 Mustang
Camden White
Can confirm Disco II is a POS. AC, radio, air suspension, third brake light, starter, crank position sensor and more all broke in a few months. In fairness it only cost about $2k.
Mason Morales
Don't think we had any electrical problems with ours but the turbo broke and had to be replaced which was about a grand I believe and then apparently metal got into the engine and we ended up selling it and getting an xtrail lmao. It was nice enough, rubbish turning circle and SLOW XD We had the TD5 and with a bunch of camping gear in the back we did a 0-60 and it was something like 20 - 25 seconds sooo keep that in mind. But I think it would probably be alright for it. That's just my 2ยข though.