Are there any racing series in the world that still use manual H-pattern gearboxes, or is racing 100% sequential paddles now?
Are there any racing series in the world that still use manual H-pattern gearboxes...
Samuel Brown
Noah Hernandez
Pretty sure that classic-car racing series in Ausland who's name i forgot uses standard Manual.
Brandon Gray
NASCAR uses H pattern
Nathaniel Sullivan
Spec Anything.
Bentley Gray
? Does classic racing even really count in this thread? Dead ass like until the early 90s like 99% of racing was H pattern racing and it wasnt until the mid 90s that H patterns were phased out of f1 and that was basically it sans maybe like le mans and bikes
So like every historic racing searies that uses cars before 21st century is H pattern
Andrew Russell
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Aaron Clark
Anything aside from Spec and NASCAR? NASCAR is 95% top gear anyway. What about V8 Supercars?
Kevin Sanders
Supercars has sequential
Fuck me I think everyone but Spec and NASCAR and SCCA and amateur and shit is sequential
John Cox
Some hillclimb cars still use a H pattern.
Henry Edwards
it's kinda sad, less and less human interaction each day
Brandon Davis
touring car masters
Carter Rivera
trans-am series
svra vintage stuff of course
Austin Lee
Just saw these at the Glen, had no idea.
Brandon Foster
H-pattern boxes began to peter out in professional intertnational- and national-level racing at the turn of the century. By the end of the decade, there weren't any major racing series that still used H-pattern transmissions unless it was specifically mandated. You can still see those types of gearboxes being used in semi-pro and amateur level racing due to their technical regulations still being very open.
Ryan Ramirez
i was there too, thats why they popped in my head
did you see strollerdoggo?
Asher Cooper
Touring car masters?
youtube.com
Michael James
H patterns shift slower. No reason to use them except ITS HOW WE DONE IT IN THE GOOD OL DAYS.
It's only a matter of time before europeans finally become autofags and manufacturers start offering sequentials on their sports cars instead of the "standard gearbox" because there are no longer any europoors to be confused by their crunch stick being replaced by clicky pole.
James Miller
Improved Production in Australia
David Johnson
They have been banned like CVTs in F1 for giving a competitive advantage.
Matthew Harris
>H patterns shift slower
Actually, they don't. Hollinger 6 speeds for example come in both H pattern and sequential pattern options, and shift speed between them is identical. The biggest advantage with the sequential is the decreased likelihood of stuffing a gear change.
Carson Gonzalez
Supercars are sequential but require clutch and rev match for downshifts
Robert Bailey
Jaxon Long
BMW stuck with H-patterns in professional motorsport for a while, in the E46 M3 sportscars and the 320si touring cars used them until they disappeared from the national series' sometime around 2012-2013.
The M3 GT4 uses an H-pattern as well, but it's currently getting replaced by the M4.
Most production based racecars (especially in GT4) are just using the stock auto or double clutch boxes. Easy to drive, hard to break by amateurs, not much slower than manuals or full on sequential racing trannies and low on maintenance
Lucas Cook
No they dont need a clutch. Same with nascar.
For downshifts, most drivers prefer to use the clutch to match the revs better while using the heel and toe technique.
Fabian Coulthard and Greg Murphy are two left foot brakers who do not use the clutch, essentially driving the car like a go-kart.
Most drivers are not comfortable enough to do whole races with left foot brake downshifts, so they use heel and to rev mtach while braking with their right foot.
Lucas Howard
Sorry for the mistakes. I'm phoneposting.
Kevin Fisher
Wait, so the Supercars have a clutch pedal with a sequential gearbox? Am I reading this correctly?
Jordan Williams
>PCars2 has M3 GT4
Shit, I know what I'm driving now
Jordan Perry
I don't pay much attention to supercars but they probably don't have a clutch pedal very often and just let the computer control it
you have to start from a stop somehow...
Chase Adams
That's what I was thinking, it's quite rare to find a clutch with a sequential
Gabriel Lopez
sequential raving transmissions are unlike auto trannies on roadcars. You still need to use the clutch to get going because there is no torque converter.
a sequential racing tranny is essentially a manual with all gears in a row (simply put) and you just slam it from one gear into the next
Luis Scott
>ITS HOW WE DONE IT IN THE GOOD OL DAYS.
>implying this isn't a perfectly good reason
Ethan Johnson
Yes. V8SC cars have clutches. Just like GT3, GTE, DTM, SuperGT, LMP2, LMP1, WRC, WTCC, BTCC and Formula 1 has.
Well, in F1 the clutch is on the steering wheel, and there are two of them. Here's a neat video of how F1 cars start: youtube.com
Xavier Bell
The M3, 2016 Mustang GT, Boss 302R, and GT86 cars in GT4 are all H-patterns instead of sequential.
William Hall
So are these setups single clutch sequential or dual clutch?
James Miller
Sequential are single brah. Just look up how a motorcycle trans works.
Ethan Hall
lots of series have a clutch pedals with sequential transmissions. The clutch is just meant to get the car going. It's really meant to be used during the actual racing. This is one of the main reasons why you see cars stall after spinning on the track or driving out of their pit stop or stall on the starting grid. This is part of the reason why some series just go with a rolling start since it minimizes the dangers of a car stalling during a standing start.