/o so I think by now we all agree that the GM series of LS Engines and current Gen LT engines are the best engines on the road. Really the only engine that is cheap reliable and fast. Plus there's a huge aftermarket that is unmatched by anything domestic or import wise.
Only downside of LS is that their limited to around 440 cubes, possibly a little more with an aftermarket tall deck block or an LSX block.
Also fuck the ford fanboys and wannabe 2jz ricers!
Christopher Richardson
Neat, but expect your thread to be ruined in about 3 minutes.
Brayden Smith
Wish we could create a board for lsx
Hunter Garcia
Why? Just don't say "the best" and you avoid 80% of the shit that will be coming at you.
Luke Perry
It's a cool novelty. But the weight and most likely more fagility taking power will outweigh whatever advantage it gives which is what exactly.
Lucas Lee
>It is the best...
I don't see how you could say otherwise besides the faggot that shows the pic of michovitz 5 sec mustang or whatever that uses a mod motor. (Nvm the fact that he once went through 13 blocks in a season)
Gabriel Reed
U drive LS?
Oliver Brown
I wish GM themselves had done something like this and made a mid-ship luxury vette with it but atlas it likely won't be used in anything but kit cars and can't exactly be sold as a crate engine either. id like to discuss this more but shame about your bait so strong in smell the lochness monster would come flying right out of the lake sticking to it like a magnet.
Brody Jackson
Wrong. 2 LSs in w16 configuration.
Zachary Ramirez
Because there is no definitive "best" engine. Somebody focusing on a lightweight car will be happy with an N/A 4 banger screamer. Somebody shooting for 6 second E.T.s will want a big block. Etc. The LS series is fantastic for out of the box power and plug-and-play nature and I adore it for that. An LS3 makes what, 430 hp stock? As in, lasts for hundreds of thousands of miles stock? Yes please. If my Windsor 302 ever goes kaput, I can see an LS replacing it with a full drivetrain overhaul. But there is not a single one size fits all engine.
David Ramirez
>N/A 4 banger screamer?
Lmao
Michael Rogers
Why "lmao"? A screamer is an engine that revs high. Suitable for little gokarts like Miatas, S2000s, FFR 818s, etc.
Dominic Gray
Cuz those cars are for vaginas
Brandon Rogers
>The only thing better than an LS engine is a twelve cylinder LS!
Yet the LS still can't beat the 2JZ or the Modular and now even a S2000 with a 4 banger is closing in on the fastest LS's in the 1/4
Oliver Phillips
And I can care less how many Corvettes u smoke at your local autox with a miata
Gavin Rogers
Please stop making the rest of us Americans look bad. You dont even know what an 818 is.
Aaron Cox
So what are you trying to imply? 2jz or VTEC is better than LS?
Wyatt Perez
Oh this'll be good, the dumbass OP vs the eternal autist.
Matthew Thomas
I don't know about the S2000 but i think the 2JZ was using non-factory block
Aaron Wilson
Anything in that territory is running custom everything, thus it's even more retarded than normal benchracing.
Juan Martinez
The only people who hate on LS is the people that Haven driven LS. I
Liam Long
Fastest LS is slower than a 2JZ and a Modular so yeah. A F22 powered S2k is running high mid 6s now.
Ther still isn't a single 5 second LS.
Wrong, the 5 second 2JZ is stock block and head. The 5 second Modular is stock block.
Austin Ross
Please fuck off back to Facebook if you're the kind of """person""" to actually, unironically post garbage like that.
Jonathan Mitchell
When will people realize the LS isn't even a good engine but just mediocre at best. Even old school SBC engines BTFO the LS.
Landon Adams
BBC > LS > SBC > everything else > fords
Jonathan Price
Has anyone ever told you that the engine does not matter at that point? As long as they are +- 100hp and have a relatively close torque curve, they will be about the same. The biggest challenge at that point is suspension and aerodynamics. That is what's winning the race. Not the "muh air pump is only 6 cylinders but I put enough boost in it to flow the same amount of fuel as a LS"
Jaxon Long
Because when you're just benchracing hp numbers, you don't have to worry about anything else. Whereas in the real world, putting a standalone ECU/LS3/T56 package together gets you a car that makes well over 400 hp crank and gets 20plus mpg easily, runs on regular octane, and just runs period. And it's aluminum, so it's not as heavy.
Hudson Johnson
>It's not shit, it's the cars fault
lolno
>It's not shit beause I overpay for a mediocre engine that makes pathetic power for the price
lolno
Dylan Morales
>Because when you're just benchracing hp numbers, you don't have to worry about anything else. Whereas in the real world, putting a standalone ECU/LS3/T56 package together gets you a car that makes well over 400 hp crank and gets 20plus mpg easily, runs on regular octane, and just runs period. And it's aluminum, so it's not as heavy.
Post of the fuckin year!
Jeremiah Rogers
I get it though, if you're ignorant of cars and lack any real skill you're fine with mediocre. Just don't call yourself a car enthusiast because you picked the easiest path. Because you're not one.
Luke Gomez
I think actual enthusiasts understand over 400hp is a lot and a finished project that drives like a factory car is the best project, instead of sacrificing convenience for special snowflake status.
Tyler Scott
Can it be shoehorned into an 8 series
Sebastian Barnes
>having a slow and boring car is the best
see
>Just don't call yourself a car enthusiast because you picked the easiest path. Because you're not one.
Anthony Clark
>400hp car is slow Ok, then, champ, bread on hood. Let's see this beast machine.
Camden Powell
Could you try to stay on topic or is that too much for the non car enthusiast? Stock vehicles that came out nearly 20 years ago made 400hp, it's not impressive fyi.
David Price
Cadillac made a LS based V16 and put it in a mid rear concept and various ultra luxury concepts. Emissions will forever make sure America will never bother with V12 engines.
Landon Lewis
Christ I'm off my game tonight, why didn't I realize it was a shitter sooner?
Jaxson Cox
Of course, can't even defend the mediocrity.
Josiah Taylor
Such as?
Daniel Perry
I prefer to be called a "gearhead". "Car enthusiast" is someone who reads magazines
Sebastian Rivera
thats because they ran on leaded gas, on unleaded they are lucky to make 300.
Justin Clark
>already a V12 >should be inherently balanced and smooth >still make it sound like a broken mess What the fuck is it with Americans and trying to make every engine sound like a V8?
Bentley Johnson
its just an ls with 4 extra cylinders what do you expect? its not like they changed the firing order.
Jackson Torres
I have no idea what the crank looks like, the cam setup, etc, and neither do you. Of course it might sound weird for a 12. Don't respond further.
Camden Torres
The Z06 made 385hp Aston Martin had cars over 400 996T made over 400
There are more, 400 was impressive 20 years ago, not now.
Didn't know leaded gas was a hot item 20 years ago.
That's fine, it's obvious you don't care about actual cars.
Jose Hernandez
>Can't defend your shit >But claim it's the best >Get mad and tell people to not respond when confronted
I don't use this word a lot but you guys are truly cucks. Stay in the land of mediocrity and circle jerks. I'm out.
Wyatt Brooks
It should be obvious by now that he's baiting.
Carter James
>Z06 made 385hp Heavy iron block >Aston Martin had cars over 400 Exotic unreliable forgotten about car >996T made over 400 Needs turbos to do so
William Cruz
M8. Stop. He's being silly on purpose.
John Russell
>>Z06 made 385hp >Heavy iron block NIGGA WHAT?
Aaron Murphy
ummm the ls1 is an alloy block uleh
Eli Morris
shit right. 20 years ago is 1997.
Robert Powell
The LT5 weighs 600 pounds compared to the LS 500 pounds max
The LS based 400hp didn't come till 2001
Brody Collins
C5 Z06 had an LS6 not a LT5.
Bentley Williams
in Australia they were still under 400hp in 2001 >342hp
Daniel Russell
V8 hayabusa engine makes over 400hp N/A and weighs what? 1/3rd of V12 LS?
Adrian Ward
It's a cool engine no doubt but do you see it in any full weight street cars? NO
Why?
Because it makes no torque...
Aaron Thomas
No one seems to talk about the weaknesses of the ls engine. For as much as you gargle its proverbial nuts you would realize it's made with shit grade aluminum. Factory supercharged versions have upgraded aluminum that is stronger so the block doesn't crack under moderate boost pressure. If one of it's lifters collapse on a high rev pull all of a sudden your crank is starved for oil. That's how retarded the oiling system is. Then the rockers have interference on high lift cams, something the big diameter camshaft was supposed to be a benefit for. Then we have ten bolt heads which are weak for anything with serious boost. So much for the "god engine".
Caleb Jones
>take american v8 >give it to aussies >they turn it into a v12 thats actually good americans can't do fucking anything right.
Jace Brooks
Sad but true
Cameron Torres
DELET THIS!!!
Joshua Turner
Fucking shit idea. Brb >less power than an 8 with same money spent >too long >obscure >somehow sounds even worse than 8
Lucas Wood
>the LS engine is the best if we ignore the best engine
just kill yourself you delusional GM fangirl
Hunter Thompson
You don't need shittons of torque when you weight nothing
Elijah Sanchez
I'd love to build one of these someday, but using the 6-speed transaxle from a Porsche Cayman and an Audi V8 or V10.
Nathan Lee
>best engines on the road >the only engine that is cheap These aren't the same thing. And it isn't both.
Caleb Campbell
You'd want a GTM, it's just bigger and designed for a Porsche transaxle.
Easton Hill
Fair enough, although the GTM uses the rarer and more expensive G50 transaxle. Can probably be modified to use the G87.20 though. Still, a homebrew V10-powered 6-speed manual RWD supercar sounds like the fucking dream.
Gabriel Young
It's more just in terms of packaging. The 818 is designed as a small roadster, it's insanity to use a supercar drivetrain. A guy trying to fit a VR6 has had to do a ton of work.
Mason Walker
That's the worst sounding V12 I have ever heard.
Grayson Martinez
Yeah, it looks like it'd be a pain to fit anything longer than the Subaru flat-4 in there. Only thing I dislike about the GTM compared to the 818 is the bodyshell's construction, just 4 parts as opposed to separate panels. Would be harder to store while building the car and more expensive to ship.
Benjamin Sanders
Whats better than a 12 cylinder LS? A 16 cylinder LS!
Brandon Peterson
Love the way it sounds too. Very exotic
Jacob Gray
>/ It sounds like shit and they balanced it like two V6's for some idiotic reason.