Toyota thinks it can compete with Mercedes and BMW

>Is this supposed to be a joke?
What do you think?
Yeah, they are desperate...

How does it blow them away? An M3 or C63 rapes the IS F every day of the week

By that logic Thrust SSC is the best car ever made. Except it sucks as a car.

Only the Lexus isnt better as a performance car or as a luxury car

the corolla is also suppose to compete with mazda3 and the civic

Actually after the mid-cycle revision, the MY2011 IS F was just as fast as the contemporary M3 around a track.

really?
youtube.com/watch?v=aHkFf3i6fZA
btw i'm pretty sure 2011 was the last production year of the M3 of that gen

>2017
>still think Merc and BMW are something special

more special than anything to ever come from Japan they surely are.

>2018
>still living in the past
The fuck are you doing

>video is of 2008 vehicles
What part of MY2011 do you not understand?

caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2011-feature-lightning-lap-2011-ll2-class-page-3

>btw i'm pretty sure 2011 was the last production year of the M3 of that gen
It was the last year of the 4dr M3. The coupe and convertible versions continued through 2013. Not that any of that matters.

they could have tested the updated version of the M3 too (M3 ZCP) but oh well.

BMW BTFO

They could've also tested an IS F with the CCS package, too.

Current BMW M cars suck and most AMG cars are just sportier trim levels of their regular cars.

There has been plenty of time for Lexus to catch up.

They could have tested the M3 GTS too

Whats wrong with current M cars?
the new M5 is pretty epic, M2 is great too.

AMG is the new M, current M is just a regular BMW. BMW now is more or less on Opel's level, way behind MB and VAG

What the fuck do you even mean by this?

People that pay for performance only don't even consider BMW as an option anymore. Bimmers are for soccer moms and 12 year olds that watch hip-hop videos on youtube.

They thicc nigga.
Also M aren't M anymore, they're tuned up street versions, the 1M and M2 are prime examples, using the standard N55 engines just with bigger turbos, instead of the S5X purpose built M-car engines of the past. Also they're turbocharged in the first place. Fuck that noise, literally.

They sound like wet farts for one

Except BMW M still buids good performance cars with manuals while AMG only builds overweight luxury straight line cruisers with autotragics.
You're clueless

M2 is good. It's everything else that is lacking.

- M3/M4 is slow as balls unless you spend more money on performance packages
- M5 barely had any notoriety that BMW. The new M5 is AWD and no longer has a manual option.
- We have M versions of SUVs and crossovers that nobody asked for, but a small M roadster/coupe is 404.
- M6 is way too fucking old and should've been replaced 2 years ago.

M3/4 is still the fastest on track in the category despite being a 2011 model.
M5 is just fast as fuck, AWD was necessary because it will have ~700hp.
Small M roadster - see upcoming Z4
I don't see a problem with M suvs because every manufacturer has fast suvs nowadays, even Porsche.

No it's reality BMW sucks cock.

>autotragics
Why is it mostly busriders complaining about muh autotragic?

learn to drive a manual cuck

you can't pass the driving test in my country without learning manual, the only people who continue to drive manual are women you dumb piece of dogshit

Only women drive manuals in your country? So all the men in your country are numale cucks, nice.

I've never had a chance to drive a manual before. Am I a real man?

If you complain about manual gearboxes in performance cars you are the biggest cuck.

>cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck nu male nu male nu male nu male nu male nu male nu male nu male nu male
We get it you're from Reddit and you're trying desperately to fit in.

I feel like sports cars should be manuals in my opinion.

>M3/4 is still the fastest on track in the category despite being a 2011 model.
uhhh

compare the M3/M4 with the new Audi RS5, Alfa Giulia, Cadillac ATS V or Mercedes C63 the BMW is faster on every track.

>he thinks people who buy these new will care about how long they last

How's the M8 looking? Heard it was supposed to be a massively upscaled version of the 7 Series V12.

it will be a 2 door m5

It's basically just taking the spot of the old 6-Series which historically used the 5-Series' drivetrain. The M8's drivetrain is probably going to be the same as the upcoming F90 M5.

what a let down