How in the fuck did this happen? What are Google/Apple/Tesla doing, jerking off?
>When GM paid $1bn in 2016 for Cruise, an artificial-intelligence startup, many analysts wondered whether it was throwing away money. But the marriage of cutting-edge technology and large-scale manufacturing seems to be paying off. The carmaker has learned to be more nimble; Cruise has picked up how to make its fiddly technology robust enough for the open road. As a result, GM can now mass-produce self-driving cars, says Dan Ammann, second-in-command to Ms Barra. Scale will help steeply to reduce the cost of sensors, which are the key components of an AV.
most normies who will be out to ban your manually driven deathmachine in the next 10 years
Ryder Phillips
>implying I'd rather have full control of the clutch, brakes and throttle myself than have a botnet do it
Nathaniel Hughes
Me motherfuker. I’m assuming here that self driving cars will follow the road rules and stay out of the fast lane when not overtaking
Grayson Powell
and an ever increasing amount of people is convinced that you can't trust a human behind the wheel and that the botnet is a better solution
Jaxson Barnes
You will when the government bans all non self driving cars because muh safety. Muh “think about the childrens” pearl clutching.
On the plus side: >no more dumbphone distracted normies crashing into people >no more drunk drivers >get to nap on long road trips >no more fast lane bandits
Cooper Russell
depends on what level they're shooting for ford did basically the same thing with argo AI but they're basically not going to go to market until they have a level 4 system which needs to be certified to handle literally every possible scenario on all kinds of roads, climates, and conditions.
gm and cruise might be settling for level 3, which is mostly autonomous but if the car doesn't like what's going on it can hand control back to the driver or pull itself over until the driver can take over.
level 3 is relatively easy compared to level 4.
Jaxson Sanders
You live up to your name I’ll say
John Barnes
i guess. waymo's being kind of retarded though they partnered with chrysler but keep them at ten foot pole length. there's no inflow of chrysler engineers into the waymo team, they just have like an embassy to chrsyler. good fucking luck getting anything to market with an integration bottleneck that tiny. They'll make a really great system for prototype cars then try to get it on real cars at a factory and run into a SHITLOAD of problems they could have caught way earlier
Jacob Morris
Just proves Tesla is a scam. They've fallen behind in EVERYTHING, battery tech, software, cars. Google and Apple are probably striving for the real deal and don't have to release anything anytime soon, it's not a market they have to enter.
Carson Long
Elon's wacky antics are the only reason Tesla's still around
Leo Harris
Yet telsa is worth more on paper than GM or Ford
Teslas stock is worth $860,000 per share per car sold Its all speculation and why people are betting against the auto giants who have a supply and logistics for full scale manufacturing is beyond me.
If people think tesla somehow has better engineers than any of the giant car companies they dont know how any of this works.
Aaron Sanders
tesla has this really weird aversion to lidar, and wants to use cameras for most of the perception equation i can...kind of understand it. Long term, cameras will dominate but not for like a decade at least. vision is good but it's got to be a lot better to shoulder ALL the perception.
much better to pair lidar with cameras and radar and ultrasonics, a more broad sensor suite is always better
Dominic Mitchell
The issue with LIDAR was that a few years ago the sensors on the market were totally different from what we have now. Now a couple firms are producing solid state LIDAR sensors and they're a magnitude faster and more accurate. The combination of LIDAR and RADAR sensors for navigating tight parking lots would suit all needs of any autonomous driving system or driver assistance system. Cameras however were chosen because there was far more work done with machine learning pattern recognition utilizing conventional devices. Companies have monitored the DMZ in Korea with automated weapon systems for way over a decade. The same type of software is used to recognize pedestrians, cars, signs, etc in vehicles today.
Blake Turner
>Who gives a shit Your wallet in 10 years. Insurance companies will give discounts to autonomous drivers since they are obviously far safer statistically even with the imperfect autonomous cars out there now.
Because the good accident-free drivers will move on to get the discount, that means the pool of drivers the manual-drivers are in will be top heavy with poor drivers. Thus, instead of your rates remaining flat, they will go way up. That's because your pool of drivers no longer has the accidentt stats diluted by the good drivers.
>Who gives a shit Privacy advocates. Because every autonomous car will have a shrinkwrap license, that means everyone with such a car has given up privacy rights. With such losses in privacy, politicians will hesitate less in giving yet more rights away to lobbyists.
Connor Perez
>waymo's being kind of retarded though >they keep chrysler at ten foot pole length It may be a question of patents since Alphabet probably refuses to cooperate on any subject where they also don't get an unlimited patent access. No sense having a future car and then suddenly the chinese company that bought FCA whips out the patent lawsuit to hold Waymo hostage.
Besides, Alan Mullaly joined the Alphabet board of directors after he quit being Ford's CEO. It seems that Mullaly would have a lot to say since the timing of his recruitment to the board of directors is suggestive of Alphabet's great interest in manufacturing high tech autonomous vehicles. As a young engineer, Mullaly was head of a Boeing team whose tasks included autonomously operating flight software for a Boeing liner. So,Mullaly has a long history of autonomous vehicle software.
Will Alphabet have a soft side for Ford?
Evan Baker
How the FUCK is there room for motorcycle and classic car enthusiasts in 10 years with all the pro-self-driving legislature being lobbied for?
Hunter Rogers
classic cars have survived until now pretty much untouched in terms of legislation, no indication that'll ever change, and self driving cars can easily account for a manual car among them
Colton Anderson
>gm destroys the car industry yet again >except this time it's for good we should've listen to uncle ted kaczynski
Jackson Brooks
If they get to be too much of a threat the big three yank strings in Washington and crush them.
Wyatt Sullivan
they already tried and failed
Julian Adams
Those motor law cucks can't stop me.
Eli Sanchez
>classic cars have survived until now pretty much untouched in terms of legislation, no indication that'll ever change except, you know, all the laws saying they'll be banned in european countries in 2030-40.
Blake Gray
actual laws on the books and passed or "some random politician said something to get brownie points with soyboys"?
Jack Phillips
hopefully they can create software efficient enough so that they can finally beat Ford at LeMans
Wyatt Wright
autonomous and EV will not make the carmaker profit It will soon be Commoditization
Josiah Myers
Silicon Valley soys btfo, Detroit strikes back.
John Morris
>Just proves Tesla is a scam. They've fallen behind in EVERYTHING >This news article says this manufacturer has better tech coming soon! Yet Tesla has -the most advanced battery tech that is actually on the road -the best self driving hardware that is actually on the road -the most EVs sold -the biggest fleet to pull data from for autonomous development (if you don't understand why this is the most important thing you don't know anything about self driving)
Pretty laughable statement "yeah google and apple already have better stuff, they just don't care to release it." "Yeah Porsche's charging tech is way better, they just aren't in a hurry." "GM has way better self driving, they are just sitting on it as part of their plan."
The only thing those brands have that Tesla doesn't is an advertising department. If you can't get this tech into customers hands it's not worth mentioning to begin with. Fire your marketing department and hire some better engineers.
James Perez
>The only thing those brands have that Tesla doesn't is an advertising department. and manufacturing capacity
