What lead to the rise of Defeatism and Pacifism in France after WW I?

That's very little considering the millions in Poland and elsewhere

30 thousand out of a population of over 40 million isn't much of a resistance

You're aware that resistance isnt the norm in developped countries, right?
Did the Germans resist French occupation between 1795 and 1813? Nope
Did the Germans resist French occupation between 1922 and 1930? Nope
Did the Germans resist US occupation between 1945 and 2016? Nope

Shitholes like Poland and Yugoslavia resisted because
1. Shitty economical situation made that they had nothing to lose
2. The occupiers treated them like animals

Meanwhile, the French had a great quality of life and the Germans treated them well
In such a situation, only untranationalist nutjobs will risk their life resisting
And France had quite a high resistance per capita for such a developped country (compared to the Netherlands, Norway or Belgium for exemple).

That's true but it's an even smaller and irrelevant slice of the French resistance.

>Shitholes like Poland and Yugoslavia resisted because
>1. Shitty economical situation made that they had nothing to lose
>2. The occupiers treated them like animals

Pretty much this
Same reason why in 2010, Iraq was resisting American occupation harshly while Germany was totally passive about it (yes, both countries were under US occupation in 2010, and now in 2016 only Germany still is among the two)

>Did the Germans resist French occupation between 1795 and 1813? Nope
They actually did. There's a famous German military funeral song based on a german rebellion against Napoleon's German allies.

In addition plenty of German troops fucked off the artificial German Kingdoms Napoleon created, swearing revenge on the cunt. These guys either fell in with the British, or with still-independent Prussia, and anyone else on the coalition willing to take them. The Black Brunswickers being the most famous.

Their country was decimated during the first world war while germanies saw none because none of the fighting took place in their country

So it sounds like french and nazis got along really well

>>it is now estimated that close to 30,000 Frenchmen of all political movements combined were shot[197][198]
Cute numbers. Now look at soviet partisans
>In the Bryansk region, Soviet partisans controlled large areas behind the German lines. In the summer of 1942 they effectively held more than 14,000 square kilometers (5,405 square miles) with a population of over 200,000 people. Soviet partisans in the region were led by Oleksiy Fedorov, Alexander Saburov and others and numbered over 60,000 men.[citation needed] The Belgorod, Oryol, Kursk, Novgorod, Leningrad, Pskov and Smolensk regions also had significant partisan activity during the occupation period. In the Oryol and Smolensk regions partisans were led by Dmitry Medvedev.

And that's just one of the groups.
Meanwhile french were doing fuck all.

Blacks brunswickers were even less relevant than the French Resistance, and they only operated at the very end of French occupation

Also they were an exiled armies under the command of allied powers (akin to the Free French forces), but there was literally zero civilian resistance in occupied German lands

Napaleon wars and ww1 were both really taxing on French lives.

>Why did French people seems so "weak willed" in WW II

Because you've bought into memes. The quick French defeat was not about weakness of will, it was about catastrophically flawed strategy.

lost a fucking lot of men during WWI
east side of france totally destroyed and country left hard wounded
lost men after due to diseases and broken infrastructure
WWII... Germany give the choice between peace and war after giving a hard strike on France...
> Why did they surrender ???

Second point isn't a resistance.

>Soviet Union
>developed countries where citizens aren't animals

Pick one

You are now aware that "leaving ebin french surrender monkeys" only gets trotted back out when they've donesomething to upset American foreign policy.

We're still in the wake of the post-Iraq Freedom Fries version.

No.

I remember that meme even as a child in the 90s. And I'm even non-western.

>30,000
More people at a Trump rally than in the entire French resistance. Lmao

Trump is a fascist though

>Trump is a fascist
By that measure every populist nationalist with a cult of personality is a fascist, which means the last 13 years my nation was ruled by nazis. Funny considering they're a worker's party.

>DUDE I GOT A PICTURE OF A POLITICIAN I DONT LIKE IN AN AWKWARD MOMENT BEFORE THEM WAVING AND IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE DOING A NAZI SALUTE

I get that you are memeing, but people who actually post shit like this are bottom of the barrel tier retards.

What WAS she thinking

the last french men died in ww1

muh Soviet memetisans

>The Soviet-allied guerrillas routinely engaged in plundering peasants. Documents show that partisan activity often amounted to banditry, rape, pillage, and murder (52-53, 88, 111-112, 144, 158, 166). Occasionally individual transgressors were punished. On the whole, however, the leadership of the Soviet irregular forces considered robbery to be a legitimate modus operandi. Since they largely lacked popular support, the Soviet guerrillas raided villages and manors for supplies. As a top Soviet commander put it, “Most partisan units feed, clothe, and arm themselves at the expense of the local population and not by capturing booty in the struggle against fascism.

>According to that narrative, the Soviet partisans killed 1.5 million “Germans and their collaborators.” In reality, the casualties inflicted on the enemy did not exceed 45,000, half of them Germans. As Musial puts it, “The higher the position of the official submitting the report, the higher the enemy losses reported” (22).

>It was alleged that the Home Army units were “not Polish partisan groups but groups formed by the Germans. These German groups which consist of Poles are to be destroyed,” according to the top secret order of 29 June 1943 (237). On 5 December 1943, it was resolved that “the [NKVD] Chkalov Brigade should commence the cleansing of the area of the White Polish band. The band, especially the policemen, landlords, and settlers, is to be shot. But no one must know about this”

>Musial’s study suggests that the Soviets seldom attacked German military and police targets. They preferred to assault the poorly armed and trained Belarusan and Polish self-defense forces. The guerrillas torched and leveled Polish landed estates much more frequently than they blew up military transports and assaulted other hard targets. By the end of 1943, most large landed estates had been destroyed”

ruf.rice.edu/~sarmatia/406/262choda.html

And? The national socialist party WAS a worker's party.

French Resistance. Free French forces. Probably more.

Beyond that, they fought a war and surrendered. In general, that typically means you stop fighting. Because you lost. Too much resistance leads to extreme reprisals or even resumption of war.

Maybe it's just me, but I think guerilla warfare is immoral if you can't back it up with a decent chance of victory, and it took a while for that to materialize.

Meant this to be a reply to

>irregular force attacks vulnerable soft targets much more than hard targets
>in other news, water is wet.

Because they literally lost an entire generation of men less than 25 years before

>backpedaling this hard
Atleast the free French knew what the enemy looked like and didn't spend their time chimping out on their own people.
To borrow your words ; The Russian partisans did fuck all

french prostitues arent french women?

They're not romantical though

>first post in the thread
>backpeddling
Also
>French Resistance
>Didn't chimp out on their own people
They just needed American help to do that.

>Sarmatian review

but user, that article of yours is about partisan activity in Poland

>Meanwhile, the French had a great quality of life and the Germans treated them well
as long as you weren't a jewish frenchman

Yeah but kikes were too cowardly to resist

Of course, Jews made up disproportionally small fraction the the resistance.

You must be very smart and educated man, user.

>You're aware that resistance isnt the norm in developped countries, right?
This.

They didn't fight as partisans though, they fought as regular troops, wearing uniforms.

All the best men had been killed.

...

France in the 1930's was extremely polarized politically. The leftist government was rife with corruption, with one administration forced out amid scandal, there were riots in the streets of Paris that nearly resulted in a coup when the right, including many WWI vets, attempted to storm the parliament. During the 1936 elections the right commonly used slogans like "Better Hitler than Blum!" and "Better Hitler than Stalin!"

The French surrender meme was actually promoted by France and Charles de Gaulle as a way of uniting the country after the war, essentially absolving those who had found in Vichy France the form of governance they had wanted for decades prior, giving them an excuse for their behavior, an excuse certainly better than willful collaboration with the invaders.

Only idiots blame the stereotype on America.

Your'e sure on that?

Fucking prostitutes is the same as fucking regular women?

>What lead to the rise of Defeatism and Pacifism in France after WW I?

Communism

>Why did French people seems so "weak willed" in WW II compare to pre WW I French ?

Communists sided with the nazis and sabotaged our munitions, there was also huge scandal and the french didn't want to fightt for this free masons-kikes controled Republic

If not then I'm still a virgin

Daily , reminder than we raped all germans women, and our niggers also raped them, same goes for our sand niggers.

Also daily reminder that we did it thrice(Napoleon, WW1, WW:)
)

Daily reminder all Western Germans and Southern Germans look like french, since we mass raped them.

>reduced economically into being britain
Hold on there, Andrew. You were in no better shape than France at the end of WWI, and above all, France never was Britain's puppet. Eventhough this has been your Graal for 1K years (as we can see in any treaty the Brits made us sign the few times they eaked out a victory by treachery, the Brits jump on the occasion to proclaim themselves "French kings for the eternity of time" (lol) or humiliate the French in any shape or form. I think when Sarkozy was received in London even in 2011 they made him purposely wait in the "Salon Waterloo" (which is a dick move, but it's good for the EU that you're proud of your Prussian brothers... oh wait I'm drifting from the main point)).

Anyways, US's puppet at the end of WWI? Yes, unfortunately. Britain's puppet ? Want to start another war you cannot win, boiled beef eater ?

Being this butthurt. :^)

Well done Germany, well done, HOWEVER

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_Bastard

At the time:
>Economic and social devastation of the first conflict still raw barely 20 years later, myth of glorious war shattered, no appetite for more conflict.
>As the """victors""", the french weren't butthurt and out for revenge like the Germans were. Likewise victory in WW1 encouraged the French to stick with existing tactics (Maginot Line), whereas the Germans went back to the drawing board and developed their manoeuvre warfare methods.
>Political upheavals due to conflicts, emergence of new ideologies e.g. socialism etc.
>Combination of these factors lead to a far less enthusiastic, coordinated and proactive approach to national defence, which in turn resulted in defeat on the battlefield.

From 1945-2016:
>'Le surrender monkeys' meme perpetuated by Anglo/American ignorance - most history classes spend 15 minutes on the origins of the war and its opening stages, and the rest of the semester glorifying the roles of heroic soldiers, women and racial minorities. Also the fact it's just funny to mock the french.
>French trying to make up for their military failures with "hurr we weren't trying"

German determination

What about the genetic aspect?
Surely chances of survival in the napoleon wars and WW1 were higher for the mre cowerdly nd the more pacifist frenchmen..The less patriotic and nationalist ones..
The ones that remained were genetically less predisposed to be nationalists and warmongering.

Well, imagine yourself this:
>20 years ago, we had a war with the exact same people
>It was fucking hell
>10% of the men died
>Veterans with destroyed faces and bodies were roaming in the street, begging or just being pitiful
>Your own land was destroyed by bombs and gas. You dealt with news like this everyday.
>The eternal Germs gave up the fight before it happened on their own lands
>The eternal Germs hyperinflated their currency to avoid paying rightful reparations
>You got a piece of clay out of it but it's the 1910's so you don't exactly have the means to travel out of your region. Besides, you never met these people.
>The eternal Germs are then at it again after 20 years of peace, love, pleasure and happiness
>You're well-grounded so you don't buy the autistic ordnung meme and get rid of the riling up fascist minority quite easily.
>Yet, war happens.
I'm pretty sure nobody wanted to send their kids to relive this horror.

>The French surrender meme was actually promoted by France and Charles de Gaulle as a way of uniting the country after the war

yeah I'm gonna need a source on this my friend

The communists who supported Stalin-allied Hitler until the day of Operation Barbarossa when they were suddenly French patriots again? You sure about that or just blatantly lying like a typical commie?

>In the Oryol and Smolensk regions partisans were led by Dmitry Medvedev
>tfw Putin takes his job back from you but sends you back in time for a special mission he himself trained you for.

The entire myth of the resistance is built around it; "Yes the military surrendered, but the people of France fought on."

They were well aware that had the true extent of collaboration been known to the public, uniting the country would been much more difficult if not impossible. It's why French TV censored films like 'The Sorrow and the Pity' for 30 years after the war.

oyc.yale.edu/history/hist-276/lecture-18

IRRC Germany had 30 million inhabitants more than France and an economy three times bigger.
It want an even conflict and the French knew it.

Communism