>it sure damn helps Does it really, though? Can you back that up with anything but saying "they won the cup"? You're free to do a round of similar tests with /lgbt/ on and off height abuse.
>the reasons why they're successful Why are they successful? Are you implying that the reason is height abuse? Do you have any proof that it's the 199 cm Kinsey that made them win? Actually, you don't have to go far. How about the fact that Kinsey scored only one goal in Summer, while 189 cm Autogynephilia scored six, Special Snowflake (175 cm 77 SS) three, LGBTQetc (88 LMF) one and Hon (193 cm CB) also one?
>every winner lucks out >/lgbt/ had better tactics because of HA Proofs, user? Anything to back that up? You acknowledge that luck is a thing in the cup, yet you're so sure that /lgbt/ won not because of luck but because of their tactics. Have you tested them? 7/8 last cup winners have been away teams. Nerfs when?
Bentley Thompson
It's as proven as the original Height Abuse was, even moreso since we've had more of a sample size to work with.
Dominic Sanders
Time to try and revive /dng/
Brandon Hill
Nth for height abuse is not proven to matter, at least except for some limited evidence for GKs. Cup success is not statistical proof because as we seem to have agreed, all cup success is rather random. Arguing that 3/4 winners (or whatever) used HA = proof that it's abusive is like arguing that a coin is unfair because it came up heads 3/4 times.
Alexander Smith
>7/8 last cup winners have been away teams. Nerfs when? I agree heights should be unregulated. Everyone should be 205 at all times.
Xavier Evans
So you don't have anything to add to this. Here's your (You) back.
Zachary Evans
I'm simply taking your ideas and implimenting them retroactively. Results don't matter, so the fact that three of the top 4 in that cup were the tallest teams in the cup is meaningless, and Height Abuse is not a real thing. Plus, heights don't matter, right?
Christopher Bell
Perhaps teams like /lgbt/ have a big man with way higher stats that's way taller than 98% of opposing CBs to win balls in the air and then play them on to little men (little being relative in the case of 189cm Autogynephilia) who then score or assist. Big man, little man. Just a thought. Not to mention that corners are absolute fucking bullshit in this game and having taller players helps a fuckton on those.
Anthony Cox
>You acknowledge that luck is a thing in the cup, yet you're so sure that /lgbt/ won not because of luck but because of their tactics. There's a reason it's called a weighted diceroll, dipshit. Their (and /u/'s) tactics were able to incorperate HA successfully, while teams that were able to incorporate the AA positions fell relatively early.
Jack Martin
>setup men don't exist
Dominic Torres
And by what methods have you figured out the weight on the dice? If you had a d6 that came up 4, 4, 3, 4, 6, 1, would you be sure that it was weighted toward 4? Because statistically that's not an especially unusual result even with a fair die.
Daniel Allen
technically if they were able to incorporate the AA positions effectively they wouldn't have fallen early.
Noah Kelly
Remove fun all together
Zachary Smith
If the height charts were even, yes. But that's not what happened now, is it? Or are you saying every single AA tactic was terrible?
Ryan Cruz
just let the cup die at this point its all just one big circlejerk
Nicholas Thomas
We have a lot more than 6 dicerolls over even just 2017's cups, la. The fact that over 3 cups plus the VGL the dice keeps rolling on height abuse not just for the finals but for the final losers and a lot of the KO brackets says that maybe the die is a bit more loaded than it needs to be.
Christian Wood
OK, Height Abuse will stay.
Caleb Lopez
I'm not informed enough on what AA tactics were tried to make that judgement call. I'm just saying that either:
1. they all were bad or 2. the bonuses to use them weren't sufficient
Mason Cox
Veeky Forums is coming back. See you fuccbois in Autumn.
Xavier Wood
/d/ were the best team that actually used AAs (/an/ barely used theirs instead going for their 180cm CMF at SS for two knockout matches and they're the worst frauds this year anyway). They got PES'd by /m/ who used their AAs literally once (not counting their awful livemanagement to one part of fluids against Veeky Forums).
Colton Harris
That's possible. Kinsey has three assists, same as Special Snowflake, the special manlet. I thought the issue was more the tall player receiving a high ball, whether from a corner or a cross, and heading it into the net.
How do you know that they incorporated HA successfully, and that they didn't just, you know, lucked out on the diceroll? How do you know that their tactics were successful only because of HA, and that they wouldn't achieve the same result without it?
It's simple to find out, just test the same match a couple times. I did, and I haven't found anything that would suggest you're right.
Benjamin Richardson
F A S H I O N M I S T A Just use a gold supersub on it this time, trust me :^)
Michael Martin
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James Lopez
>Veeky Forums is back >They make the babby cup >Lose in the finals again
Jonathan Price
Absolutely based.
Robert Cooper
You're goddamn right it's possible because I just described how most /lgbt/ attacks go. NOW you're getting it.
Nathaniel Barnes
does this mean theres someone doing verifications again?
Alexander Cox
Wow what a faggot
Easton Gray
/lgbt/ is basically the fucking hawks of the cup, regardless
>No fans at all >Always fucking sucked >Never had anything going for them >Suddenly get a transcendent talent >Start to get good >Win babby cup >Go undefeated until """throwing"""" game against /toy/ >get to the final in a rigged way >Win in the most bullshit way possible
They're guaranteed to be busted soon. /lgbt/ can fade out just like /trv/ because of how many """fans""" they goy
Ryan Jones
> Fuji
Stop mercing, you faggot.
Ryan Morris
>the Fujile memes were real all along
Daniel Stewart
>How do you know that they incorporated HA successfully, and that they didn't just, you know, lucked out on the diceroll? Because /lgbt/ wasn't the only one who did so. You're going to tell me every HA team just got lucky, then? I'm sure out of alllll those dice rolls it just so -happened- that it popped up the same way everytime.
Or maybe they have good tactics because they know how to integrate HA into their tactics, which doesn't have an equivilent with AA.
Jonathan Thompson
As much I go to the board I don't want you managing the team. Either fuck off or revive your old team.
William Stewart
>people are talking about AA seriously when the second A is just a 10 point nerf instead of 13 or whatever
Jose Baker
>tfw you mare your fake team in a few days but fell in love with it after AGL2 Any other memes I can enter a fake team in?
Jace Powell
t. you cannot possibly browse more than one board
Dylan Bennett
iktfb I think all the weekends are filled up through Autumn, though, so probably not.
Jacob Barnes
lmao
William Mitchell
A team's fanbase is fully entitled to refuse a manager. Even more so now that autopilots are possible.
Jonathan Anderson
then complain on Veeky Forums and not in /4ccg/ i'm assuming he made a thread to get a ded team revived so you could have complained there if you had found it if not then wait for the next thread
Landon Long
There is a difference between refusing a manager for an actual reason or just refusing cause you are a sensible bitch and /p/ hurt your feelings once. I could understand if you didnt want egos like Karth or people like Twonky or >Art manage but why Fuji?
Isaac Stewart
Because he's a merc. He has no connection to he board and the only reason why he is trying to go for Veeky Forums is because /p/ got culled.
Mason Foster
proofs?
Michael Lopez
who Veeky Forumsrmy here?
Evan Cooper
How the fuck do you know? Do you have his browser history at hand right now?
Ethan Russell
So if Veeky Forums and /x/ make it back, can we possibly see /cgl/ or /hm/ return?
Isaiah Clark
...
Brayden Gonzalez
>win balls in the air and then play them on to little men >I just described how most /lgbt/ attacks go Interesting. I've looked at their knockout matches and the /sp/ match, watched all 10 goals (they had 13 total), and in exactly zero of them Kinsey won the ball in the air and scored or passed them off to someone else. One Kinsey's assist was from Autogynephilia passing it to him before he crossed to Special Snowflake, the other he stole the ball from a bad opponent pass and crossed to Autogynephilia. His one goal was from him receiving a short pass while being in the box completely unopposed. It's still possible that you're right and it is indeed how most /lgbt/ attacks go, but then that means that /lgbt/ basically score only when they don't do those attacks.
Being lucky is just one part of it, but you nicely ignored the second one. How can you tell that without HA, the teams that won would've lost? Where's the evidence that a tactic performs better when used in combination with HA? What I'm saying is that it's entirely possible a team would've won without using height abuse, and that it's entirely possible a team shouldn't have won even with height abuse.
Parker White
Exactly, you just assumed shit in the first place without any proof at all because "it is obvious lmao". So I'm gonna go ahead and say that you aren't Veeky Forums. Checkmate
Luis Reyes
How much teams to revive until we get a mega fetus?
I actually want to see /pol/ vs. Veeky Forums in fetus because of shia memes
Jack Diaz
Well, we are probably going to need a couple more, so basically revivals of /p/, /cgl/, /gif/, /3/, /ic/, /hr/, /t/, and /s/ for a mega fetus. And maybe /diy/
Anthony Sanchez
How many more teams until the revived are greater than the culled?
Hudson Cox
delet this or does someone want to use it?
Levi Reyes
brb, I asking /ic/ or /diy/ if they want to be back :^)
Easton Morales
Delet this. Fucking chase and status ass lookin logo
Cameron Fisher
1 cup of bleach for the hard drive Rest of bottle for you
Leo Reed
T. Went to the board so much he missed the cup thread going on for the last five days.
Brandon Martin
Is this (You), page 9? Is this (Me)?
William Anderson
>What I'm saying is that it's entirely possible a team would've won without using height abuse, and that it's entirely possible a team shouldn't have won even with height abuse. Possible, yes. Possiblitiy doesn't mean shit in the face of actuality.
Andrew Green
So, where we're at right now: No tests suggest HA increases the effectivity of strikers /lgbt/ who successfully utilized HA never scored in a manner where Kinsey's extra 10 cm would come into play It's possible that teams would win using the same tactics without HA It's possible that teams using HA won thanks to a stroke of luck Conclusion: HA is broken
Does that sound correct?
Benjamin Lee
>/lgbt/ who successfully utilized HA never scored in a manner where Kinsey's extra 10 cm would come into play Again, you're pretending that he's not doing anything because he's not scoring, instead of accepting that he can also be a setup man and interrupt plays that otherwise could result in goals for the other team. Also saying "it's possible" doesn't mean anything in reality. /k/ could beat Veeky Forums, /lgbt/, and /u/ all at once, it doesn't mean they're a good team.
In a vaccum, from game to game, it's possible to win without HA or for those HAs to have luck. If they keep getting lucky every time then maybe there's smoke where there's fire.
Brandon Sanders
>/k/ could beat Veeky Forums, /lgbt/, and /u/ all at once, it doesn't mean they're a good team. And what would make them a good team?
Christian Butler
Making the elites and staying up (or being a strong Yo-yo). Or winning the cup.
Tyler Adams
Being one of Veeky Forums, /mu/, /gd/ or /asp/, of course
Alexander Flores
Now that we got a whole work week without agl2 games here's a check in with the races for golden boot, ball, and glove. Please to analyze these statistics.
Current Boot: /edge/ EDG & /ita/ Pizza Margherita (tie: 8 Goals) Current Ball: /ita/ Mafia & /agdg/ Give Up (tie: 6 Assists) Current Glove: /ita/ Vaffanculo & /edge/ GET OUT (tie: 17 saves)
Jonathan Richardson
>Accel Sammer
Isaac Brown
I've seen the thread but its pointless to argue cause its prob /4ccg/ people bumping the threads or fuji hiring some people to do his bidding. You can call me names but it was pointless to argue in the thread...
Cameron Murphy
It's what the stats page says
Ethan Garcia
PIZZAPASTA
Jacob Brown
>/ita/ the only one with a person in the top 3 of all 3 categories Are they /ourguys/?
Connor Butler
Them actually facing a team like /jp/, /vp/, and Veeky Forums
Gabriel Baker
>winning the cup. >good team Uhhh...
Robert Long
Having the golden glove is more a sign of them getting lucky than being good, it means they might get E X P O S E D.
Dominic Reed
If nobody can beat them, then they may be good.
Noah Baker
/u/ was literally "corner kick and win" the team, so they aren't "good" in the right way
Also, broome street captcha AGAIN
Brandon Powell
Or >PES. Happened before, and plenty of times.
Julian Ross
how the fuck can /fhg/ top goalscorer only have two goals in 4 games. Jesus.
Xavier Jackson
Yes, 8 straight PESings. Nobody can be a good team.
Juan King
>you're pretending that he's not doing anything because he's not scoring I've watched /lgbt/'s goal situations. In zero of them was Kinsey's height a factor. None of those goals were thanks to "a big man with way higher stats that's way taller than 98% of opposing CBs to win balls in the air and then play them on to little men" or from a corner for Kinsey to head it in. His two assists I've seen had the setup of "receive pass, cross to another striker" without fighting off any defenders or getting balls from the air. You're free to watch the matches yourself.
I don't really know what you're talking about with that good team bit. I'm not debating what teams are or aren't good.
>In a vaccum, from game to game, it's possible to win without HA or for those HAs to have luck. If they keep getting lucky every time then maybe there's smoke where there's fire. You (once again?) ignored the "win without HA" part. If, in a vacuum, I test one game, and find out that the team wins the same amount with and without HA, who's to say that isn't the case in other games? They don't have to keep getting lucky, they can be the better team. But they could be the better team even without using HA. Take the tested example - /n/ won 38.7% of the matches. Without HA, they won 36%. The difference is the tall GK (roughly the same amount of shots and goals for /n/ between the two), which makes the difference roughly one in fifty games. In all those knockout matches /lgbt/ won, Kinsey's HA didn't come into play when they scored. If he was 189 cm tall instead, they would've still won. HA isn't responsible for that win, or for that star (which they apparently still don't have on the logo).
Jason Harris
They only have low scoring games.
Jonathan Green
>/sp/ lost because >longball >Veeky Forums lost because of BS >/int/ lost because of benuldies >Veeky Forums lost because of """controller problems""" >/toy/ lost because of >longball >/u/ lost because of madokami
Totally an """"""""""""""elite""""""""""""""" team
Jackson Wood
VIL VIL VIL
Lucas Cox
Did /afl/ not get any saves against /bnha/?
Noah Martin
Sup /mlp/?
James Wood
>"muh /mlp/ is in this thread"
I don't even browse the damn board or even care for them. I'm glad they're rotting in hell
Luis White
I just got my shitposting mixed up, gonna cut my losses. Got enough (You)s. Thanks la
Isaiah Scott
>/merit/ wanted culling >all they did was replace ded small market teams with soon to be ded small market teams
And you retards wanted /lgbt/ revived lmao
Dylan Garcia
I don't wanted /lgbt/,I wanted /hm/ back
Brody Nelson
You just wanted the fucking gays.
You can revive any team, but because a certain dumbass let one team win a game in the qualifiers, this mess unfurled
Jordan Robinson
>/merit/ wanted to cull dead teams >culled small market teams with native board managers >created a vacuum filled by mercs reviving dead teams Pottery.
Caleb Rivera
>"we want the fans" >"lol we're putting blatant mercs with zero board attention and DF padding" >"support the mercs" /merit/
Carson Wright
Don't you think that if he hired people to post on the thread he could just have done that to avoid /p/ from getting culled? Also no one on /4ccg/ knew about the poll or it would have been mentioned like happens every time. You need to have some faith in humanity, user.
Jaxson Young
>wake up >/afl/ pulled off a comeback with GAJ scoring the winner MUSCULAR ELITE GAJ ON BACK TO GEELONG WATCH