/fgoalter/ - Fate/Grand Order NA General

Don't you people get tired of the same OP picture, Liz has tons of better images for Christ's sake

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Tamamo Cat thread

Moving on from this is Progression. And again, FEH completely shits on FGO.
In FGO, progression is done by spending hundreds of hours farming .2% droprates for materials you need dozens, if not hundreds of. This is the only way to progress. You just grind, grind and grind until you've got the required number of drops. You could get it in 3 minutes or get 0 after 10 days. And to rub it in, the materials are only available one day a week, so it's slowly drip-fed to you. Those are the only real ways to progress your characters. Skill ups, ascensions and level ups are all the result of grinding and nothing else. Combined with FGO's lackluster gameplay, you get a torturous slog where you are rewarded with pain and suffering. It's utterly pointless. And after that, you can use one of the extremely limited items to actually get them to max level. Oh, and Fous. Just... fous. And despite Grails, you can NEVER make a 1* as good as a 5*, no matter how hard you try.

FEH objectively obliterates FGO in this regard. Skills are learned from SP which are gained from killing enemies, but with Arena/Tempest bonus units getting double SP and frequent bursts of double SP (Double SP weekends) along with chain challenges, it's never a super long grind. Feathers are handed out incredibly often, which let you raise 1 star shitters up to the level of 5* units with ease. You get your favourite? You can 5* them and they'll perform quite well, especially if you build them correctly. Playing with characters is rewarded with Hero Merit, 3000 feathers to use to raise units/SI, You're rewarded for playing with your characters and seeing them grow. You can turn a meek weakling into the star of your team. You can train up the units at a reasonable pace and turn most any unit into a force to be reckoned with. The addition of Supports means you can S-rank your favourite unit to give them a huge boost, which means that even the shitiest of waifus/IV screwed units can git gud

Daily reminder to not reply to shitposters

Skill Inheritance lets you mulch units you don't want and give their skills to others, so building your units up does require rolling investment, but most of the best skills are plentiful and easy to get.

In terms of progression, FEH kicks FGO's ass so hard it's actually laughable. FEH's progression is far better than FGO's and it's probably the worst part of the game. but in FGO, the progression is all there is. Don't you like not getting hearts? You can also get to read a typo-ridden interlude that makes little sense, but it does have the plus side of giving a little more story for the servants. Despite that, FEH still wins by a country mile.

Leading on from this is the endgame. FGO has no endgame. It's literally an endless grind, being rewarded with fucking nothing. in FEH, however, you have semi-PVP challenges (Which invites creativity in order to get Arena Defenses) that reward you with Orbs, the incredibly difficult Chain Challenges and Squad Assaults (Which require you to get multiple teams up and running) which reward you with orbs, a game mode that calls upon you to make the most out of even your worst units with Arena Assault (And the addition of items means it's a fine distraction) which reward you with a mystery coin and yet more feathers, and then the Tempest Trials, which are long slogs which promote the use of healing units and make you consider longevity (Rewarding you with Orbs, Feathers, 4 and 5* free units and Sacred Seals). There are also Grand Hero Battles (Maps with 3 difficulties for players of all skill levels/hero strength that reward you with freebies of popular villains.

nobody cares

Some GHB units are so good they define the meta. It'd be akin to getting a free Jeanne with 2 other copies to give her an NP boost. Xander and Camus are just that good), Bound Hero Battles (Difficult challenges that give more free orbs) and daily quests that offer many, many stamina potions (Golden apples) Duel Crests (For Arena, but not Arena assault, which can be played with 0 resources) and Feathers/Orbs. This means there's a bunch to do even after clearing the story on Lunatic. Finally, there are Voting Gauntlets, which are essentially Splatfests but for Waifu Wars (Or husbando wars). You get the whole community together to have a whole bunch of fun that spawns fanart and good memories. MOMMYfags had their heyday and got a bunch of futa porn out of it, there's the memorable showdown between Ephraim and Chrom (Winner chooses who gets stomped by Lucina) and so on. Oh, and you get Orbs and Feathers from it.

FGO, comparatively, has nothing. At all. Just grinding. Don't you like not getting hearts? Does that 500 AP spent getting a single lizard jewel feel good knowing that it's the only content available to you?

I only get gems/cookies it's not fair bros

But what about the story? Well, FEH's story is it's weak point. It's very dry, generic and the characters aren't the deepest. There's a little mystery and some nice world building though and it aims to bring in aspects of different parts of the games, which is very nice. But in FGONA?
You've got a very good introductory session. But that only leads to an utterly pointless and needlessly drawn out vacation in france, leading into Rome, which is literally the worst bit of Type Moon Media ever produced. Rome makes no fucking sense. There's no way that Spartacus and Boobica would ever, for a single SECOND, consider working with Nero. It's a direct violation of their legend. Since they were summoned by the grail and their hatred for romans is actually a huge part of their legend, there's ZERO justification for that even happening. By all internal logic it's impossible, but it happens away because Nero is the biggest mary sue out of all written media. Instead of Nero facing her shortcomings she stomps her enemies and is given a pat on the back and told how great she is and how everyone loves her. There's no dealing with the very real problems that the actual Nero had to deal with, it's just an needless parades of everyone loving Nero despite him being reviled as one of the worst emperors. The other Emperors that Nero meets do precious little to actually advance her and by the time you get to Stheno and Tamacat's pointless filler island you're begging for death. That fucking island makes no fucking sense, it's literal filler and a waste of AP all for a shitty REJOICE reference

Just put in a pastebin you dumb inbreed

And after you slog through all that bullshit and the shitty maps of fighting the same THREE roman soldiers over and over again you finally get some hints of shit being good with Waver s and Alexander meeting, which should be great, right? One of the finest strategic minds coming to clash with Nero while his host also bonds with Alexander, an inversion of the iconic relationship from F/Zero OH WHAT'S THAT THEY BOTH DIED LMAO
ANOTHER POINTLESS WASTE OF TIME
None of those chink servants telling what they know of Zhang, just a shitty unceremonious death. You go through all that to meet TSM Leffen, who does his thing, jobs hard, then summons Altera, who also dies. Then it ends.

Why the fuck was any of that needed? Why wasn't it inverted? Why wasn't it Nero teaming up with past emperors who were critical of her, but she wins their respect and learns from them as she fights against vengeful servants from the nations that Rome conquered? Spartacus and Boudica could have bonded and been together as enemies who couldn't let go of their grudges against the romans, dying while cursing Rome, causing Nero to wonder and think about just what it is she's doing, and if she is reviled outside of her own little echo chamber. You could have had the Grecian historical heroes struggling to fight off the combined might of Rome once more, but Mr Huge Wang uses his keikakubrain to shit out a mythological servant, causing the group to try and befriend Stheno to get the help needed to fight off, let's say Heracles tagging with Leonidas. Or the British summoning Arthur to defend their country in a time of peril. It'd culminate with the Leffen showdown, but now it's got a whole different twist. The Roman emperors bare witness to the destruction wrought by Attila the Hun, and they're made aware that they won't always be able to save Rome and it will one day fall, but Nero growing and swearing to try her best to protect her land.

Fucking kek dude no ones gonna read this

>Resource gain
FGO is stingy as fuck with Orbs. FEH gave like 30 for Tempest Trials and gives 2-5 a day for playing, plus right now we get 2 a day from dailies and then bursts of like 9 orbs from BHBs. FGO doesn't even give you one quartz per day. FEH shitstomps FGO in this regard. You can roll far more frequently.

>Welfare units
FEH gives out multiple free units from GHBs, events like the retweet campaign, Sacred Seal quests, Tempest Trials and a small cadre of decent freebies in the Askr Trio. You also got to choose between four of the strongest and most popular units in the game to get one for free. Imagine if you got to choose between Waver, Merlin, Jeanne Alter and Cu Alter for free. And you got it. No strings attached. No paid gacha. Just... for free. That's what they just had as an event. FGO gives you a 4* and another 4* if you started at the beginning. A clear win for FEH.

>RNG
In combat, FEH has no RNG. More strategic thinking. FGO is a luckfest or it doesn't matter due to AOE waveclears.

>Rates
FEH has a lot of bullshit with rates. Still far better than FGO. Let's compare a few certain things. I've split rates into 3 categories
>Getting ur waifu
>For getting many high rarity units.
>Getting a semi-optimal waifu
>Getting a nearly-optimal waifu

But first we need to talk about the Orb System.

>But first

The Orb system means you can pick and choose what you want from the gacha. In FGO terms, you'd do a 10 roll, see 10 options. You'd get to know if it was a Craft Essence, a Knight (Saber/Lancer/Rider) hero, a Cavalry Hero (Let's say Rider/Assassin/Caster) or a Misc Hero (Berserkers and that wonderful rainbow of snowflake units in between). Then you'd pay 3 quartz to pick the ones you want. Just going for Jeanne Alter? Snipe her cards. Sometimes you don't summon any at all, which blows, but there are no regrets when you duck out after getting a single roll. This makes it much more convenient for sniping, making getting spooked a FAR rarer occurrence.

For getting ur waifu, FEH wins handily. The 4* rate is 58% compared to FGO's 3*, so you're over 19 times more likely to grab a 4* unit. So if your wife is in the 4* pool, you're in luck. Unlike the people here who can spend hundreds and never see a Saber Alter, FEH gives a huge rate to 4*s so they're gotten easily. And most 4*'s are quite good. best unit in the game's a 4* base hero. for 5*'s it has a 3% rate for the hero on rate up. So you have over FOUR Times the chance to get your waifu, and in practice far more because you're sniping her colour.
Additionally, you get a pity rate that keeps climbing. So it's very easy to get your wife if you save in FEH, while FGO is a complete crapshoot because of the 0.7% rate. Hell, the poor assholes rolling for Saber alter have to deal with a 1.05% rate, while FEH gives you a BONUS 1% rate if you managed to fuck up 20 rolls without a max rarity unit.

>implying FEH shills are capable of rational thought

what the fuck is going on

The servers are shutting down.

For getting many high rarity units, FEH wins yet again! 6 times the chance to get a 5* unit, and that only increases as you fail rolls thanks to pity rates. If you're looking to deck out your barracks with max rarity heroes, FEH is far better
>Getting a semi optimal waifu
And here FEH wins. Again.
>B-but IV's
Chance of getting a 5* focus at +Atk or +Spd without -Spd or -Atk is 0.86% with no pity rate, rising to 1% with a pity rate of 0.5 (So after 10 rolls). 0.86% for one of the best possible versions of your waifu that only rises. Which is significantly higher than the 0.7% of a character on banner that FGO has. So even accounting for Ivs (And ignoring the fact that Seals+Supports now fix banes, Arena Assault and SI providing a great use for poor IV units and merges) FEH is STILL Better than FGO when it comes to 5*! And you even get more rolls

>Getting an optimal waifu
FEH wins again. You've got to get 11 versions of your wife and one or two other characters. Due to the way probabilities work, you're far more likely to get the 11 versions of your wife when sniping than you are to get 5 versions of the 0.7% roll then 5 copies of the 5* Craft Essence to get your optimal unit. So even in the domain of Whales, FEH wins.

So FEH has better rates in every conceivable aspect and you get far more chances to roll, more and better freebies.
OH
AND A FREE ROLL ON EVERY BANNER.

So in terms of Rates, it's an undeniable win for FEH by any metric.

>360 AP spent
>1 claw of chaos
>2 octuplet crystals
>1 ghost lantern
Not too bad considering I got that AP thanks to leveling up and not spending an apple or quartz

Recruitment campaign I guess.

/feg/ is shitposting again, don't worry about it.

FEH is so dead that they need to shill here.
Sad!

I couldn't do it bros... The droprates fucked me

Will Japan ever not be butthurt enough to make an Admiral Yi Rider servant, or is the potential blowback from both nips and gooks not worth the risk?

Now for >Playing the game
FGO's stamina system and jewishness with Apples means that you're not really playing much at all. if you want to go hard, you just... can't. Not unless you pay. FEH, on the other hand, shits Stamina potions all over you. Quests and all that give Stamina potions, you get them for logging in and more! It's wonderful, really. And even if you are out of Stamina, instead of doing Literally Nothing like in FGO, you can play unlimited amounts of Arena Assault for no resource use and use Duel Crests for normal Arena. So in terms of being able to play the game when you want, FEH wins.

>Developers
Keep in contact with the users, have livestreams and story posts, and they listen. They hear improvements the playerbase want and implement them. Players wanted no stamina cost to equip skills and reduced Training Tower cost. They did that. They asked for more reasons to use stamina and we got TT. Players asked for more ways to get orbs and we got Arena Orbs. Players asked for more things to do without stamina and we got Arena Assault. Players wanted counters to Reinhardt and we got a free 5* Anti-Rein unit. Players wanted Supports, and they fucking added in supports. They listen and try to actively make the game better

The SEANiggers on the other hand, post outdated information and release typo and bug-ridden product then clam up.

FEH gets biweekly updates that add a little bit of story or new features, a constant, steady stream of content. FGONA updates WHENEVER LOL PLS UDNERSTANDU

FEH has a roadmap of upcoming content, concrete dates and teasers without spoiling the whole thing. It's easy to figure out what's coming when.
SEANIGGERS update whenever

Listen to me you fucking retard.

Those are not elements of a quality game. Lots of games that are NOT mobage do not have anything like that. There is no such thing as a "quality mobage" to begin with, which is why they borrow from other categories so frequently. FGO itself borrows heavily from visual novels and card games, which should be fucking obvious.

Which leads me into the question, what does FEH excel at?

Over half your points are effectively about "gameplay." Are you insane? There is no mobage with "good gameplay," that title goes to actual games that are made by actual game makers, not a bunch of iOS developer hacks with a low season budget.

If you are somehow deluded enough to think FEH has anything on any serious game outside of the mobage category then you are irredeemable.

So then we move onto what FGO actually has over FEH...which is visuals, story, animation, lore and waifus. All of which are better than FEH by leagues.

And you wanna know the reason behind that? Because FEH is a trashy game that simply cannot decide what it wants to be.

It is not a good FE type strategy game because of the low board size and the lack of gameplay complexity.

It is not a a good MMORPG because all you really have is arena for that.

Its not a good visual novel because you have virtually no story and serious dedicated art.

So what the hell is FEH? Its trash. At least granblue can claim to be a semicompetent MMORPG.

Post THAT Ilya image.

The FEH developers care a lot more about the game than the Seaniggers in charge of FGO, and they do a better job of it.

So overall, FEH wins when it comes to Rates, Devs, Playing the Game, Combat, Unit Building, Unit Progression, Game Progression, Story, Performance, Generosity, Freebies, Resources, Endgame and Updates.

FGO wins in art.

The long and short of it is that you're all addicted. Grinding for mats is little more than a skinnerbox you use to slake off the cravings from rolling the slots. It's an unhealthy, incredibly exploitative game that preys on the worst aspects of human psychology and threatens to drive you broke.The game underneath the pretty art is terrible. FGONA is a horrid product that shouldn't exist under capitalism, yet it still does.

The crux of the issue is simple. FGO is a skinnerbox and slot machine with a game hastily pasted over it. FEH, Granblue, Girls Frontline, Honkers, basically most other mobage, are games with a gambling system built in. But FGONA fails at even that. IT doesn't try to pretty itself up. It doesn't try to make itself presentable. It's a half-broken skinnerbox/slot simulator that attracts addicts with barely any game to it. It's hard to even classify it as a game compared to other mobage. It fails in nearly every aspect of game. But your waifu is trapped inside, so you spent hundreds of hours tapping for hearts, paying for a chance of a chance to see her, only to be denied and left with nothing.

FGO is bad, and FGONA is even worse. FGONA is the bottom of the barrel trash, and if the sales are any indication, it should hopefully die soon.

If I put the FP CE on my backline and the support I'm using doesn't have the CE on it, does the other guy still get 100 FP?

>got my fifth claw for Alter
just in time

>FGO itself borrows heavily from visual novels

>if you want to go hard, you just... can't.
I'll go in hard if I want.

>It is not a good FE type strategy game because of the low board size and the lack of gameplay complexity.
Its skills and movement options are deeper than any mainline FE game, actually.

When's Okeanos?

>this thread
off to a great start

Yes.

I dont like this thread

Frick dude I would rather have yi than Nelson

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I'm here for you

That's probably a good idea.
pastebin.com/mYX6iEHZ

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So you're completely insane then?

KUSOOOOO

No they aren't.

>IMG_0294.png
Starting to think this is an iOS issue

Stupid sexy animals

Can someone cut Liz out of the picture please

Please post Mordred lewds

Alright who wants to join me in shitposting FEH threads?

(Did nothing)

I will.

Why is someone posting their gamefaqs review here?

Or how about not shitting up the board just because /feg/ can't contain their autism?

i dont even have one 5* what the fuck

Can someone cut the cat out of the picture please

>hunting for mats that have 0.000001 chance of dropping
>not farming exp/mana prisms for your shiny new 5*

>the shit drop rates have finally broken /alter/
RIP. We had a good run though...

>The rateup image is wrong again

Kintoki is fucking great. First he gave me two great success enhancements in a row to 80, and now he's bringing in the FP like no tomorrow. He's truly golden.

>Fourth heart
>Still no scale

She didn't even bother putting on most of her clothes

>"X" general must suffer because of one guy
How would you feel if every single Veeky Forums thread raided us because of that one autist spamming everywhere "stop laughing at /fgoalter/ please"
Fuck off

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

IM GONNA DO IT FGOA

I'M GONNA SPEND APPLES UNTIL I GET THE TALONS I NEED

Now that that's done, I can finally get to working on the GBF one.

The vast majority of people do not and this thread is full of people willing to drop $240 to get some stupid waifu or cheese character to break the game when it's not even that hard in the first place

make early threads

You have 55 minutes left.

I fucking wish

Better do it fast user

You know, in hindsight, it was probably a good thing Kintoki was cut from Apocrypha.

And the ones that rerolled constantly through Memu to get the 5 stars they wanted at launch

>find a tamamo doujin and start cleaning the rifle
>the first 8 pages is just tamamo talking about how much she loves the main character
>start feeling >tfw tamamo will never love you
>all desire to fap is gone
>usually I free the willies after about 5 minutes but because my arousal is gone it takes half an hour
>spend the rest of the morning drinking away my sorrow
frick I hate doujins

The original will not loose to such things.

This
Dodged a bullet, big time
Coulda been like Achilles and Chiron, doomed to irrelevance forever due to being in a terrible adaptation

>"~~!!!"

>waifus
The ones you'll never get with those shitty rates.

Why does Apocrypha make me want to go on a homicidal rampage ending with suicide?

I JUST WANT REGULAR CASTER GEMS BUT I KEEP GETTING SECRET GEMS REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Can someone post the unlimited hoarding works?
I have to turn my mind of steel until Musashi hits.

>wasting apples on a 1% chance drop

Fuck it, I'm doing it too

SHOT THROUGH THE HEART
AND YOU'RE TO BLAME

Okita a cute!

Because it's the most offensively bad Fate related thing I've ever seen and turned every single fight into some dragonball Z shit with the important characters bullshitting to victory.

Sounds like a good idea.