This is truly the worst timeline

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

be year 2018
literally 90% of cars on the road are some form of 2.0 litre turbo or sub-2.0 litre turbo or some kind of electricshit.

This is truly the worst timeline.

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Nojokur
Nojokur

Why? We're getting commuters that have some power to them and an abundant supply of new turbochargers to put on old fun cars with no turbos or busted turbos.

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Supergrass
Supergrass

caring what others choose to drive is equivalent of being the old nosy neighbor of the car world.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

2.0
not 0.9 inline 3

How decadent.

Booteefool
Booteefool

turbos are agreat
anything is better than big lazy boring engines

RavySnake
RavySnake

You're a retard, there are plenty of larger displacement options on the market for you to choose from, why do you want everyone else to drive one though?

WebTool
WebTool

This is truly the worst timeline.

my 2.0L Turbo-four is more powerful than a stock Foxbody Mustang GT and gets 30mpg+ on the highway, ill take that any day over a 7.0L V8 from the 60s that could barely hit 200hp.

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TechHater
TechHater

The 60s were when they could run crazy compression and nobody gave a shit about fuel economy or emissions, the 70s was the start of the malaise era.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Then I'm the madman with a supercharged 5.7 and a 3 speed lol drive whatever the fuck you want man noones stopping you

Illusionz
Illusionz

Was forged pistons a norm on domestics back in the day or are you referring to the hondas and shit that came with forged pistons from the factor for no reason other than fun?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

want to turbo my car
spend time sifting parts yards for small turbos from current hatchbacks
They are pretty fucking cheap too.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I'm referring to leaded gas.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

The 60s were when they could run crazy compression

this is what also made engines die incredibly quickly. newer engines have looser bores and pistons that allow for less friction from movement, meaning less ware

w8t4u
w8t4u

Or maybe they died because they were made with fucking 60s technology. Power breaks things quicker.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Or maybe they died because they were made with fucking 60s technology.

in the 60's, things were built with stronger materials and everything was pretty much mechanical. Nothing was really able to break. The only things fucking those cars up was increased ware from upped compression (and to some degree, shit oil)

SniperGod
SniperGod

Made with 60s technology as in manufactured with 60s tech. No CAD. No automation. Worse fluids as you said. Worse overall quality.

WebTool
WebTool

be year 2018
giant reliable torquey V8s can be had for $15k or less
high-tech V8s with good handling and incredible HP can be had for $35k
record breaking supercar V8s can be had for $60k

what a time to be alive. America is fantastic

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

You're gay

MPmaster
MPmaster

Make any mods to your kia yet? I've got a 2014 SX-T that I put an injen CAI, HKS spark plugs, OCC, and BOV in. Next mods are Catback exhaust, possible 3" downpipe, and then chip it.

Bidwell
Bidwell

behold the millenial. thinks that you cant manufacture quality products without the aid of computers.

shut the fuck up boy, man has been building shit long before computers that has held up for ages, including cars. Computers have arguably just made things worse as they allowed for the unskilled to shit up the place with faaaaar more problems.

if you took a 1960 motor and increased the bore size the thing would go for an eternity.

SniperGod
SniperGod

what a time to be alive. America is fantastic
D E L E T E

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eGremlin
eGremlin

mfw the only way to make ecoboost turbo's perform is to throw them on a LS with some shop vac hose

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

ive never even looked into it at this point, i know there are lots of people looking into pushing even more power out of the Theta II engine but im pretty happy with how it drives so far.

any sort of slight bump in power the -sik modz- might give would barely get any use when im sitting in traffic and isnt worth the hassle of voiding the warranty.

gotta love the interior though, the 2016+ models look like crap and lost all the unique asymmetrical character (plus they have smaller turbos).

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StrangeWizard
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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I was more leaning towards manufacturers adding (either through carelessness or intent) imperfections to generate planned obsolescence, but that pic is deep.

w8t4u
w8t4u

How much do most of these little turbos go for anyways used?

idontknow
idontknow

The big jew yard here sells them for $50ish usd.

viagrandad
viagrandad

no replacement for displacement they said
stock v8 is the best they said

iluvmen
iluvmen

But there is no replacement for displacement

hairygrape
hairygrape

???? It's still a 6 liter V8... The turbo's are just cherries on top of the torque cake. Who ever said stock V8's were the best? The whole point of the American V8 is to mod the shot out of it for cheap in your garage. That's why they come so underrated from the factory.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

you clearly didnt watch the video

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Absolutely this.

I don't need to win every drag race either.
10 times out of 10 I'm losing your ass in traffic anyway ya bitch.

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Obviously one could craft a perfect motor without computers, but not hundreds of them in a week. That is automation's advantage: consistency. Machines don't get tired. Don't get sloppy. Measurements will be more precise. Etc. As long as maintenance is kept up and they are well programmed, anyway. Assembly line work was always unskilled labor. Now the more complicated tasks are out of the hands of the operator.

Evilember
Evilember

brilliant, thats the exact problem with the modern car industry

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Who ever said stock V8's were the best
Veeky Forums consistently cums over stock v8... or stock anything for that matter

your post is irrelevant to the point and just attempts to move the goalpost

RavySnake
RavySnake

Snek bless

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

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askme
askme

Whose point? You were the one who brought up ECUs and sensors and then planned obsolescence. Computer aided manufacturing produces higher quality parts. Period.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

You’re retarded if you think 60s materials science and metallurgy are better than what we have today.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

image related

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RumChicken
RumChicken

You were the one who brought up ECUs and sensors

I said nothing of the sort

planned obsolescence

I did bring this up but your post did not address it at all. The fact of the matter is that computers have just managed to over saturate the market with more auto manufacturers looking to make a quick buck because its so easy to get into.This inevitably leads to quality drops and plans to ensure customers will need to buy again (planned obsolescence)

Computer aided manufacturing produces higher quality parts. Period.

No. What it has done is make it easier to make more of them cheaply AND with cheaper materials. What once was metal and welded in place is now plastic and clipped or screwed

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

please make my brain stop thinking so i may become happily ignorant to the truths of existence, nephew

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

gee bill

Illusionz
Illusionz

You’re retarded if you think 60s materials science and metallurgy are better than what we have today.

considering most of new cars is plastic these days I would say that the auto manufacturers of the 60's had both a better grasp of good car materials and a better understanding of how to use said materials. Metal>>>>>>>plastic

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Okay, so you’re hedging your bets with retarded.

m-muh plastic

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Today's metals and metallurgy techniques are on another fucking level, user

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Lunatick
Lunatick

materials science refers to choice of materials
not realizing plastic is an objectively god-tier body panel material anyway
I seriously hope you are having a laugh.

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

he, unironically, has no problem with paying $30,000+ for a hunk of plastic when the same item could be made with metal.
whew lad

girlDog
girlDog

too bad they don't use them

see

you can always tell when the europoors wake up

viagrandad
viagrandad

he unironically thinks that the metals that made 60s engines are better than the metals used today
he unironically thinks anyone in the 60s wouldn’t do anything to have the tech modern engines have

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Too bad they don't use them
What do you think engines are made of?

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5mileys
5mileys

HURR muh europoors
I'm an insomniac Minnesotan, where are you from, small brain man?
And yeah, I would, an 818 with 30 grand invested or a used corvette would be fucking awesome.

askme
askme

I too, am Minnesotan, and think this man is retarded.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

you'll never have the foxbody aesthetic though

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Firespawn
Firespawn

M8 I own one of these and I can tell you Kia user got the better deal

eGremlin
eGremlin

bless me with some pics my man

JunkTop
JunkTop

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I wish I could drive one of these without feeling like a boomer.

girlDog
girlDog

Lol, caught me off guard

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

realized they were all on the SD card I lost
4plebs saves the day
Color corrected the hood and bumper now, and turbine wheels, but I'm not gonna lie, I kinda miss the primer and poser drag wheel style.

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Firespawn
Firespawn

every time I see one of these I'm one step closer to getting one

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Get a clean 4 cyl ASAP, they're appreciating for some stupid reason now.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

In the time of sub-2 liter pieces of shit I have a 3.0 straight six

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girlDog
girlDog

I'm gonna stay with V8's for as long as possible, already own two of them, an LS430 and a HSV Maloo

TreeEater
TreeEater

This. The real travesty is no affordable rwd rear engined roadsters.

happy_sad
happy_sad

not liking turbos

are you homosexual?

Methnerd
Methnerd

considering most of new cars is plastic these days I would say that the auto manufacturers of the 60's had both a better grasp of good car materials and a better understanding of how to use said materials. Metal>>>>>>>plastic
youtube.com/watch?v=joMK1WZjP7g

What do you think the billions of dollars in R&D spending has gone the past few decades?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Not siding with either of you, but plastics have comes leaps and bounds over their metallic brethren, but goddamn have they made everything cheap and highly susceptible to shock.

RumChicken
RumChicken

I mean they're lighter, resistant to corrosion, cheap to produce, etc.

Steel will have its place for the foreseeable future. Until carbon composites become cheaper to produce, and aluminum becomes more widespread.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

NA is best induction

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

whats the matter user i thought you liked the 90s

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

For sure - 'plastic' is such a broad material these days it's not even funny. The fact that a vast majority are welcome to injection molding is a blessing. It's just the cheap fucks using it wherever absolutely possible, despite the projected lifespan issues.
Can't wait til shit like carbon-nylon drops a tad in price and ease of use, but I'm not holding my breath.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Audi is bringing back the 2.5 i5
Which will likely end up in every other VAG car
What other company still sells their trademark engine twincharged and mated to a 6 speed manual?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Literally listing mods that don't increase power.

Keep it up user, Soon you will be able to do a 1/4 in 14.5 seconds!!

happy_sad
happy_sad

Even more

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Modern Car:
Small Powerful turbo engine with """""""broad"""""" torque curve.
Drinks gas like a V8 when you floor it, but aces EPA tests
torque is quoted from 1500-4500RPM, but if you floor it below 2000 in high gear, you will break the engine (see mazdaspeed3
2.0-2.5 litre engines that make 300hp and implode when people try to get more from them.
components made exactly as strong as they need to be to make quoted power, and not a fraction more
2.0t running 25 psi from a turbo the size of a fingernail making 300hp, turbo so small it cant even achieve 305hp
torque management systems that negate power increases from exhausts or intakes.
brake based """"""LSD""""""
gearbox blows up with more than 10% extra power

90's car:
2.0t making 200hp, but can manage 350 using all stock parts, 400 with larger turbo
20% extra power from intake and turboback exhaust
honest mpg rating
happy to go full throttle from 1000 rpm in high gear in stock form.
bulletproof gearboxes that will handle 100% power increases in every case, usually up to 300%
stock internals can handle massive increases in power.
2.0t making 276hp at 12 psi, makes 500 at 26psi with correct turbo
ecu just manages engine, doesnt limit torque or cancel out airflow improvements.

the EA888 is the last good small turbo motor. computer aided manufacturing has just allowed manufacturers to make engines that are reliable at the given power level, while being fragile as glass at higher power levels, which lets them make them cheaper. gearboxes that are rated at 1 lb-ft above the engines torque rating.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Notch backs have better aesthetic, also, stock these cars were slow, really slow. Mod them and they become beasts, this is why there value has shot up. There just aren't any good cars left, they're all race cars now.

FastChef
FastChef

be year 1950
american cars powered by 80 litre v8
making 20 horsepower

idunno current timeline seems okay

w8t4u
w8t4u

DURRR CUTTING COSTS MEANS COMPUTERS BAD DDDDDURRRRRRRRRR

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Flameblow
Flameblow

boi you need to smoke them fog lights aswell

eGremlin
eGremlin

be year 2018
american cars powered by 5.7 litre v8
making 200 horsepower

This is truly the worst timeline.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Off topic but Sam Hyde actually went on a rant in one of his Hydewars vids and explicitly mentioned computers and autocad car design being part of the reason why cars look and feel like women's shoes these days.

RavySnake
RavySnake

pretty sure it is cost cutting via buying cheaper materials that just get it done.