Five of the seven members of the first Soviet politburo were Jewish

I approach history through the lens of race and ethnicity stop oppressing me shitlord. Why are you so terrified of non Eurocentric interpretations of history check your privilege.

>Israel is king of the Jews and decides who is and isn't Jewish

>people who have been oppressed for hundreds of years are at the forefront of groups aiming to end oppress

Really causes one to ponder

meme
try harder

Nah that's just a jewish myth that Stalin carried out an anti jewish pogrom and planned to deport jews to Siberia. They are just salty they lost all the leadership positions and their project fell to the hands of filthy goyim. The terror of 1936 didn't target jews it just happened that most top bolsheviks were jewish to begin with

>The majority of Jews were "not directly affected by the Great Terror, and of those who were, most suffered as members of the political elite."[19] Between 1937 and 1938, an estimated 1 percent of all Jews in the Soviet Union were arrested for political crimes in contrast to 16 percent of all Poles and 30 percent of all Latvians.[20]

>The terror of 1936 didn't target jews it just happened that most top bolsheviks were jewish to begin with
>The revolution of 1917 wasn't hatched by jews it just happened that most top bolsheviks were jewish to begin with

>people who have been oppressed for hundreds of years are at the forefront of groups aiming to end oppress

Yeah, all those christian egyptians at the forefronts of groups aiming to end oppression.

really makes you fire your synapses.

>because one oppressed people is chucked means all oppressed people should be cucked

Retard. It means that the purges of 1936 didn't specifically target jews based on race. Stalin simply got rid of all the top Bolsheviks that could challenge his power. He didn't have the intent to systematically target jews .

Stalin had Lev Bronstein murdered because he was challenging his power not because he was a racial jew.

No "oppressed minority" is found so disproportionately among commies as jews are.

And the 1917 revolution wasn't a nefarious jewish plot it just so happened the Jews were heavily attracted to communism.

Retard.

African Americans are.

Historically Irish people in the UK were.

>wasn't a nefarious jewish plot

I never said anything about a plot. I am just pointing out the vast over representation of racial jews among the bolsheviks. Why are you sperging out so hard?

>Vladimir Lenin - jew
>Joseph Stalin - sandnigger

Wrong board nigger

>African Americans are

Not even remotely comparable.
13% of the population, how big of a percentage did they comprise of commies in the cold war? Let's say even 25%, it's just twice as common, not numerous times more.

Same deal for irish people in non irish countries.

>heh look at all this jewish involvement in communism what's up that heh can't you see why we want to gas the kikes heh just having a reasonable conversation :^)

go away /pol/

wtf I love jews now

Leftcucks are always whining about "disparate impact" and over representation of certain groups in the West today and make up ridiculous arguments to justify it (patriarchy, institutional racism, glass ceiling etc) but pretend they are able to brush away the jewish involvement in the Russian "revolution" in 5 seconds.

Nice double standards really makes you think.

I'd hazard that during the 1960s the CPUSA was far more than 25% black. Not even taking into consideration the other important black Marxist groups like the Black Panthers.

Not to mention you're applying a double standard here. If you're to account for every communist at the beginning of the USSR you'd find that it was overwhelmingly non-Jewish.

>Marxist/jewish intellectuals

I thought you guys were proud of your debating skills and "scientific" intellectual arguments why are you so terrible?

Wait until you hear leftists justify the overabundance of leftist people in social sciences.

>b-b-but people c-can just choose a different path for r-reasons that don't have to do with d-discrimination
>you mean like women not practicing stem disciplines?
>NO YOU BIGOT THAT'S SEXISM

>leftist people in social sciences.
You mean in all the sciences.

Most notably, genetics.

For some reason they haven't approved the race war yet, they must be leftists.

Makes you think.

Is it true the bolsheviks wanted a world wide revolution and expected it to happen in the aftermath of the first world war and this was the reason they had no qualms fucking Russians over so much?
Or was that just Trotsky?

>I'd hazard that during the 1960s the CPUSA was far more than 25% black

Even if it was 50% which it wasn't, it's just 4 times

> If you're to account for every communist at the beginning of the USSR you'd find that it was overwhelmingly non-Jewish.

I'm talking about figure-heads, people in positions of power, not the average commie-joe

Get ready lads, here come the autistic /leftypol/ LARPers

You're arguing in bad faith and just posting shitty memes once you got backed into a corner and pulled an "aw shucks I dindu nuffin". There is nothing to debate.

>LARPers

interesting choice of words

The CPUSA had an explicit policy to target minorities for recruitment. The believed White people were too reactionary and hostile to be successfully recruited. The top cardes the organisers and recruiters were overwhelmingly jewish.

The CPUSA tried to crate a coalition of jewish "intelletuals" minorities women and college educated Whites something like the modern Obama coalition kek.

>You mean in all the sciences

No, computer sciences are perfectly balanced for example.

>Most notably, genetics.

You literally chose the most right-wing sector of biology. Why argue if you're going to make a fool out of yourself?

>For some reason they haven't approved the race war yet, they must be leftists

I haven't either, I must be a leftist.

All the bolsheviks wanted world revolution but they differed on how best to achieve it.

And it seems that they all had no qualms fucking Russians over. After all, very few of them were Russians in the first place.

>the most right-wing sector of biology.
If it makes you feel better.

But why haven't they declared niggers inferior and Asians superior yet?

>There is nothing to debate

Agreed the racial background of the Bolshevik leaders cannot be disputed. Jews where were less than 2% of the population of the Russian Empire but comprised more than 70% of the Bolshevik leadership. No amount of pseudo intellectual drivel can explain this fact away.

>If it makes you feel better

Look at surveys, moron

>But why haven't they declared niggers inferior and Asians superior yet?

Because it would be moronic?

Asians are 2% of the American population yet make up 50% of STEM students.

>I'm talking about figure-heads, people in positions of power, not the average commie-joe
You see this is why it's a double standard. When talking about Jews in Russia you zero in on the top of the party to magnify your point. When talking about blacks in America you switch tactics to the entire communist population in order to minimize the over-representation of African Americans.

So, to analyse this on equal terms. You'd have to analyse either just the leadership or just the parties as a whole. Not apply one metric to one instance and then a completely different one to support your point.

>Look at surveys, moron
Show me.

I agree. What's your point?

(This is the part when you start talking about how it was a jewish plot to enslave the goyim)

Yeah (((Lenin))) expected Germany to fall soon which is why he signed the disastrous Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Those jews were so delusional the thought that the marxist interpretation of history was valid. But that was 100 years ago the craziest thing is that marxist neckbeards exist to this day absolutely insane tb.h

Yes, that's why the jews fought off the White Army supported by Brits, Americans and Japs.

Red Army - all jewish.

Russians wanted the revolution, I'm sorry, history is not about individuals and you know it.

Finally local nkvd leaders and kolhoz leaders were obviously Russian, which is a big part of how it all ends up.

>He doesn't know the Poo & Chink Conspiracy.
Someone ought to make a le scheming Indian doctor version of this.

All the local level leaders and foot grunts were Russian or other gentiles, that's obviously true.

But it's been proven in this thread and many others that the higher rungs of leadership in the Soviet Union were overwhelmingly Jewish.

Don't you talk shit on Supreme Tank Commander Unruhe

>When talking about blacks in America you switch tactics to the entire communist population in order to minimize the over-representation of African Americans

No, I'm referring to the figure heads of all commie party in america, not part members.

>All the local level leaders and foot grunts were Russian or other gentiles, that's obviously true.
Thank you.
> the higher rungs of leadership in the Soviet Union were overwhelmingly Jewish.

Ok, doesn't matter.

You're a retard, they're still not considered Jewish by rabbinic law. This is American 1/16 Cherokee tier wewuzzing.

t. Greatest Ally in the holy land

>Poo & Chink Conspiracy.
Asians have higher IQs.

I'm surprised a 7 point lead over the second in place is enough to BTFO everyone so much, but apparently it is.

>Ok, doesn't matter.

jesus christ. You don't consider it even worth examining why and how a 2% segment of the population in a given nation becomes overwhelmingly represented in that nation's ideological leadership?

>it was a jewish plot to enslave the goyim

Nah that would be crazy like saying that the gender wage gap is explained by a vast conspiracy of the White capitalist cispatriarchy to keep the proud womyn down.

Imo jewish overrepresentation is a manifestation of jewish racial cultural hatred of gentiles. Jews are an insular rootless cosmopolitan group that feel they are constantly under siege. Radical poltics are an avenue to vent that hatred, undermine the host population and ensure that jews have a good social standing, are safe from pogroms and the masses reacting to their depravity.

High IQ. The Jews always rise to the top.

In that case if you have some comprehensive list of CPUSA leadership during the 1960s I'd like to see it. Because from what I know Angela Davis was black, and Gus Hall was white, but I'm struggling to find much more info than that.

Jews didn't rise to the top in the Russian Empire. They "rose to the top" in communist environments specifically, which they themselves created.

And how many of the jews could read and write and lived in cities compared to the rest of the russians?

Real STEM, that is! (Second row can be changed into stormcucks, without it being wrong.)

Because they went around Europe, saw things, were idealists, believe communism could work, inspired people and ended up starting a successful revolution.

Nobody liked the Russian Emperor, sorry to tell you, not just "le ebil kikes"

They were just more educated, and at the time a large segment of the educated people fell for communism.

Simple as that.

Is your brain hurting?

Hold on, Jarvis Tyner was also black.

So that's a running figure of 66.6% black overrepresentation.

>it wasn't a jewish plot but it really actually was

>Jews were more educated than gentiles in 1917 Russia

Do you have a single fact to back that up

>Arthur Libman traced the role of jews in the CPUSA and concluded that there was a "disproportionate presense of jews as members and particularly at the leadership levels"

Communist Cadre: The Social Background of the American Communist Party Elite
Harvey E. Klehr
p.38

We have this thread at least 4 times a week.
Do /pol/taird have such terrible memories they can't remember the last time they made this thread?

not an argument

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bachtell

Go to the bottom of the page.

Btw, you're not getting this, with a 13% representation in the general population, you're never going to get the same kind of disproportionate representation among party members. Ever. Even if it's 100%. It would only be 8 times. 2% to anything oer 16% is already greater than that, you can't wing at this discussion.

*not party members, figureheads.

I thought IQ was a conspiracy to justify "racism" and White supremacy.

In August 1919 Jewish properties, including synagogues, were seized and many Jewish communities were dissolved. The anti-religious laws against all expressions of religion and religious education were being taken out on the Jewish population, just like on other religious groups. Many Rabbis and other religious officials were forced to resign from their posts under the threat of violent persecution. This type of persecution continued on into the 1920s.[54]

In 1921, a large number of Jews opted for Poland, as they were entitled by peace treaty in Riga to choose the country they preferred. Several hundred thousand joined the already numerous Jewish population of Poland.

made me think

they organize "red pill raids" on 8gag and irc and always have the same canned replies and buzzwords

there's literal threads that start with "how to I respond about x argument regarding the jews and communism"

in fairness /leftypol/ organizes similar raids

8gag should be ddos'd in perpetuity

>White supremacy.
White supremacy over Blacks.

It backfired when it came out Asians have higher IQs.

At this point the whole thing is just a way of hurting the core beliefs of right-wingers.

Okay, what Jews?

> you can't wing at this discussion.
Is the discussion a measure of which demographic is most overrepresented? Because that sounds like a very useless discussion.
Or will you find that the discussion is to indicate that disenfranchised demographics are overwhelmingly overrepresented in communist parties world wide? To go the start of the argument
>>people who have been oppressed for hundreds of years are at the forefront of groups aiming to end oppress

Even in the poorest of polish shtetls, there was books. Way before anyone even had heard about ABC-books for poles.

I take it back.

Jews weren't more educated anywhere they were, they didn't have a culture of learning and business.

Sorry, you are correct.

Jews were just the niggest.

First time I have seen a similar thread and I have been lurking here for 2 months

t. /pol/

...

Dude, you're not helping your case by going back.

>people who have been oppressed for hundreds of years are at the forefront of groups aiming to end oppress

And as I've already said, how come there's never, ever, so much disproportion except in the case of jews? It's almost like being oppressed can't explain all of this.

Not an argument.

Baltic states were some of the most advanced inustrialised literate places in the Empire and Europe in general

Where are all the Estonian bosheviks?

huh, the jews were more clever than you'd think

You know this is the part where you learn there were a shitload of Latvians in the Bolsheviks party.

Where are the Latvians at the politburo?

in the communist party of estonia

Good question.
Where are the Bulgarians in politburo?

>Dude, you're not helping your case by going back.
I'm reminding you of what the argument is about. It's not supposed to help anyone's case, it's supposed to keep the topic from being derailed.

>And as I've already said, how come there's never, ever, so much disproportion except in the case of jews?
Because maths. There's like 12 million Jews worldwide and this figure wasn't much different in the early 20th century. With a figure that small basically any representation beyond 0.1% in any country outside of Israel is disproportionate.

And as we've already gathered similarly disenfranchised demographics are also grossly overrepresented. It's almost as if being oppressed is exactly what attracts these groups to communism.

Bulgaria was not part of the Russian Empire you sneaky fuck

No.

It's far more likely they did it because Jews wanted to subvert the white people and didn't really care about communism at all.

>Bulgarians
>In the USSR
Back to high school kiddo

>With a figure that small basically any representation beyond 0.1% in any country outside of Israel is disproportionate.

But that's a lie and you only get that by including africa/south america and east/south asia. I'm talking about the wet, where the percentage could have been something like 5 or let's say 10. Disproportinate but within reason. Yet that's not what we have seen.

Also, even if we accept 0.1%, why not epect 1% of them to be among leaders, or 2?
Again, that's not what we see.

The jews were more educated, more jews were into communism, literally everywhere in Europe.

>The jews were more educated

Yes, this explain another part of the variance. Not all, see latvians or any other group like that.

The party was founded at a congress in June 1904.[1] Initially the party was known as the Latvian Social Democratic Workers' Party (LSDSP). During its second party congress in 1905 it adopted the programme of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) as its own. At the Fourth Congress of the RSDLP in 1906, the LSDSP entered the RSDLP as a territorial organisation, and after the congress its name was changed Social-Democracy of the Latvian Territory.[2]

The party held its fourth congress in Brussels January 26 to February 8, 1914.[1]

In May 1918 Latvian Social Democratic Workers' Party was founded by the Menshevik elements who had been expelled from the LSD.
Rule in Soviet Latvia, 1919–1920

The party briefly governed the Latvian Socialist Soviet Republic in 1919; and changed its name to the Communist Party of Latvia in March 1919; 7,500 members in 1919.[3] The youth wing of the party was the Young Communist League of Latvia (LKJS).

The LKP was a member of the Comintern (Third International) from 1919.

Huh

Latvians weren't spread all over the country, they were just being latvian communists in latvia

It's common sense.

>made me think
yeah really had the same effect on me

>Latvians weren't spread all over the country

Jews weren't spread either.