Rome wasn't the largest Empire by any means...

While histians say the british empire was larger, they say the mongol lands were more densley populated with the british empire at its height controlling 22% of human population and Mongol 25%. My vote would be Mongol.

Rome was also masters at keeping their possessions, and "making them Roman", whereas the Mongol Empire burned hot and fizzled out quickly due to no arrangements made to install a solid government or infrastructure, The Mongols only lasted a few generations divided up between warlords, the Roman Empire lasted nearly 2000 years from antiquity to the early Italian Renaissance.

>Siberia
>The eurasian steppe
>Inland east Asia
>The middle east

Wow, what prosperous and developed lands they conquered. Truly an empire to rival Rome.

I would love to see the Islamic Caliphate/Persia/China/India overlaid on this map.

It is never referred to as being the largest. The greatest for sure though.

No one says Rome was the biggest empire, although Roman Catholicism is the largest religion and that's arguable the spiritual continuation of the Roman Empire.

Fucking what? You mean Eastern Orthodox right? Roman Catholicism is a bad joke that doesn't seem to end.

Also it was the nature of the Roman Empire to have the Emperor as the head of society. Wasn't like that in Western Europe, and they didn't even respect the Pope at times.

Only one man still holds the title of Pontifex Maximus.

Only
Mongol

>the mongol lands were more densley populated with the british empire at its height controlling 22% of human population and Mongol 25%

Except the world population at the peak of the British Empire was more than double what it was at the peak of the Mongol Empire.

>Isn't Roman Pagan
>Isn't an Emperor

The title is a joke now. The Pope is just a political and cultural figurehead that promotes shit now.

I fucking hate Francis

China and Persia sempai.

No one said you had to like it.

I don't think the Mongol Empire was an Empire at all given its
>failure to Establish a unifying apparatus of government to rule all those motherfuckers.
>failure to keep the Imperial Center (i.e. the Mongols) from dividing themselves.
>failure to shake off the image of an inferior culture to their more sophisticated subjects.
In the end it was just the largest and most accomplished of all the flash-in-the pan Steppe Nomad "Empires." A big protection-scheme state that died off following the weakening of the main clan.

The British Empire was but an extension of the Roman Empire.

All roads lead to Rome.

>empty land or scattered villages

china and khwarazmian empire

>>failure to Establish a unifying apparatus of government to rule all those motherfuckers.

this is false, read Marco Polo, William of Rubruck or Giovanni da Pian del Carpine: thet went in the mongol empire and they see a strong central power and a proper administration

And the Mongol Empire lasted for a generation, whereas the Roman's lasted centuries...

>read Marco Polo
The Yuan Dynasty is not the Mongol Empire.
>William of Rubruck or Giovanni da Pian del Carpine
They pretty much just showed it had a strong imperial center...which is typical of Steppenigger empires while the peripheries continued doing their own thing. The Mongols absolutely failed in creating and administrative WORKING apparatus given the assload of divisions within the mongol empire (race & culture, religion, fucking clan affiliation among the nomadshits, etc)

>The Yuan Dynasty is not the Mongol Empire
and what they were? Chinese? stfu
>race & culture, religion, fucking clan affiliation among the nomadshits, etc
they don't give a fuck about that shit, they only want taxes and soldiers for the war

>empty land or scattered villages

When will this meme die? The Mongol Empire ruled over a quarter of the world's population, China isn't empty you know.

>and what they were? Chinese? stfu
The Yuan Dynasty is what the actual De Facto Realm of Khubilai Khan is called. It is both a Khanate and a Chinese Imperial Dynasty.

For starters, Khubilai Khan won the right to be called Great Khan after the Toluid Civil War. However the notion that he ruled the Mongol Empire- now long balkanized- is extremely laughable. Realistically, Khubilai had control only of Northern China.

After that civil war he fought Song China- out of the logic that it is the next best thing if he wouldnt be a real Great Khan. Following a long war and Song's defeat, Khubs literally declared that he had Mandate of Heaven and established the Yuan Dynasty, with the Temple Name of Shizu. Khubilai had to justify his rulership of China you see, and just conquering the place doesnt cut it.

Furthermore, the Mongols became increasingly sinified under the Yuan Dynasty.

>they don't give a fuck about that shit, they only want taxes and soldiers for the war
Precisely why it isn't a real Empire: it was a protection scheme state.

You want Steppe Nomads that actually built Empires? Look at the fucking Turkics. They knew they were barbarianshits in the eyes of Muslims and so abandoned everything they natively had with the exception of their military prowess and mastered Islamic Culture & Middle Eastern Bureaucracy. The shit they built was so lasting, a lot of their cultural inputs to the Islamic World is mistakenly considered native in the region.

>Khubilai had control only of Northern China
this is your fantasy, Marco Polo traveled across the southest asia on behalf of the khan
>it was a protection scheme state
no, it was only a different way of empire, different form the european way: the rule was tolerance

The Mongol 'empire' is a giant fucking joke

90 percent of the space shown that was under the mongols is empty steppes, the other is conquered empires that couldn't handle one hundred thousand mongol manlets on horses.

also the mongol empire was great because it generate some other empires: Yuan dinasty, Ilkhanate, Golden Horde, Timurid Dinasty, Moghul Dinasty etc

>mongol manlets

the nomands were hardass because of the life in the steppes

>also the mongol empire was great because it generate some other empires:
Let's see
>Yuan dinasty, Ilkhanate.
Literally proves how nothing the Mongol Empire was when your own people convert to the culture & governing systems of the natives.
>Timurid
Not mongol. Empire founded by Tamerlane, who was a Turko-Mongol lord. Also a Persianate. Only relation to Mongols is Timur is a bit related to Genghiz Khan, and once said that he wanted to exceed GK's achievements.
>Moghul
Not mongol. Empire founded by Babur and his liegemen. Who were multiracial army of muslim warriors. Babur himself is a Timurid. In culture it was a Persianate, and it expressed its disgust of Mongols in no uncertain terms given that by the 1500s, a Mongol was considered a barbarian.

>Ilkhanate
>Timurids
>Moghul

>Mongol Successors.
Read a fucking book.

you read fucking books! If you don't understand it's your problem...

Rome wasn't great because it was large , Rome was great because of what was built within it.

Rome has had a bigger impact on the modern world than any other nation in history, by far. It was, at its zenith, the high watermark of pre-modern civilisation, and is the reason almost every empire builder, from Charlemagne to Napoleon to Hitler has tried to, in some way or another, emulate Rome, its symbols and its majesty, and why every thinker and artist has taken from Greco-Roman history, mythology, science and literature. Rome is remembered as the shining city of marble, giver of laws and bringer of civilisation to the dark frontiers.

The Mongol Empire on the other hand was a flash in the pan. It didn't leave anything noteworthy, it is remembered purely for the speed of its conquests, which are of course impressive. But the Mongols didn't even have a written language when they began their conquests, they had no civilisation to bring, they did nothing but steal and destroy, they had no ideas, they gave the world no philosophy, no art and no culture.

Rome was the culmination of Greco-Latin civilisation, and held within itself all the knowledge of the classical world, it expanded upon it with men such as Ovid, Virgil, Marcus Aurelius and Cicero. What Mongols are remembered other than a number of 'that cool warrior guy' figures?

The only nation in all of pre-modern history that came anywhere close to the absolute glory that was Rome, was Song China, and their story is one of great lament, as they were cut down before truly reaching their potential. Cut down by the Mongols.

No u

It's sad to think we'll never see a nation as glorious as Rome ever again.

>ayo look at our "empire" consisting of empty arid steppes

Mediterranean is (well, was at the time) the prime real estate on earth. Rome had 25% of earths population when it was biggest. In this time people lived as subsistence farmers there was no industry or supermarkets.

The USA is the closest thing and that's over the hill now

Honestly, I love the US, but it doesn't even hold a candle to Rome. Nothing ever will.

This and /thread. Also the dude sperging about Marco Polo is a retard cause Polo is a shit source.
>travel on ship to China
>come back
>forget to tell people about the compass
>hurrr

>no, it was only a different way of empire, different form the european way: the rule was tolerance
There are definitions of empires in both political and historical science. An Empire is not merely a big conquered territory: oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199756384/obo-9780199756384-0090.xml
Now you can go full retard and call this eurocentric but then you need to come up with a better definition that is able to distinguish Empires from large multi-ethnic states.

>All this Rome dickriding
I don't know how anyone could still respect Rome holistically after reading their history. It's a trainwreck.
Realistically, the United States remains the most powerful nation of all time, considering it's the sole superpower in the world.
The only way in which the Mongols were "tolerant" was that they slaughtered people regardless of their race or religion.

This guy is the first one with enough sense to bring up the Moghul/Mughal Empire.

Vastly underrated empire!

At a point in time, they were "ruling over more than 150 million subjects, nearly one quarter of the world's population at the time" (source: wiki).

Pic very related.

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If we go by population Percentage, then the Achaemenids take it. If we go by influence on the Modern World, Rome, if we go by Landmass then the British Empire. It's all a contest over which aspect was most important, so we can all just squabble on rather than trying to emulate them. We should be pushing to rebuild these great and glorious states as they were, now that we know to make them greater. Europe under a central Roman Republic would be a glorious state, Central Asia united under a fully benevolent dictatorship would allow for great things.

We need to learn from our history and put it into practice, rather than measuring dicks while, for lack of a better metaphor, Rome Burns.

You're a contradicting idiot who cannot into history - that's a fact not an opinion.

Shut the fuck up and kill yourself

Eastern orthodoxy is the continuation of Byzantium/ The Eastern Roman empire desu.

youtu.be/YxLqx8xF9Pw

Rome's empire was fairly large but to me the most impressive part was how long it all lasted. Roughly 5 centuries.

>ALL of Persia
>ALL of China
Vs
>A past its prime Greece
>Egypt the mega grain farm

The Persian and the Chinese lands are both comparable to Rome at it's peak. And the Mongols owned both.

"Americans mistake bigness for greatness"

In this case , let us replace Americans with Veeky Forums.

Bingo, they were the most successful bandit operation in the history of the world

>Persia

>Couldn't do anything notable to Rome

>Captures emperor #84375 and it's the single most defining thing in their history besides getting fucked by Islam till they loved it

>China

>Fucking CHINA?

topkek

try 14

It's not the size that counts, but how you use it.

LOL
>because there was an empire on the same continent the new empire was the continuation of the old

I agree, Mao's Communist China was a continuation of Imperial China

They were so hard ass their asses turned into leather and could be used instead of a saddle.

u mad britsissy?

BUT IT WAS GWEILO
CHINA STRONK

>diversity

is it literally impossible for you decadent leftists to think of anything but mental illness or diversity? rome was and is more aestethic than any territory that the mongols had

>history is about what or whom I like

>Realistically, the United States remains the most powerful nation of all time, considering it's the sole superpower in the world.
Yeah, for like a decade lol.

>more aestethic
Gosh you are a fucking retard that never stepped inside a university.

You're like a mongolian sjw played EU4 and decided to go full WE WUZ

>Not using aesthetics to refer to all forms of cool shit.
Your post isn't aesthetic bro.

whats the point of this comparison, does the winner get a free beer?

Chinks were stronk back in the day tho

>muh appeal to authority fallacy
>is a decadent leftist

POTTERY

Diversity.

The Mediterranean literally had very similar culture. They traded for millennia. Even genetically similar

I just like to keep perspective.

Rome was cool, but not because it was the guiding light of civilization.

so egyptians, algerians, tunisians, syrians and turks are all the same as french, spainish and italians? wtf. They are literally two different races. its people like you that will cause the great islamic caliphate of europe.

he gave percentage not flat numbers

what do you think discredits china so much?

by far the most sophisticated society of its time during the mongol conquests

>i like it, therefor it's truth

you completely lack any form of self reflection dont you

Well the Roman empire (in the modern sense of a central government controlling large swaths of land and various cultures and ethnic groups) lasted for over a thousand years as either the worlds clear number 1 or one of the top powers in the world (looking from start of the First Punic War till the end of the 11th Century). Only empire that remained as top dog or near top dog for anywhere near as long as Rome was the Ottoman Empire.

Britannia was a Roman province

The romans almost collapsed after trying to hold some of the persian empire territory for 1 year.
So much for your difficulty and matched competition against tribes that lacked professional armies and gear.

If conquering mongol lands is so easy, then why didn't the romans send 200 000 legionaires and conquer all the lands until Japan? They surely had more manpower then the mongols.