How did early modern Christians justify such brutal violent conversion attempts in Spain and America?

The problem with a group that tries to be all inclusive is you have to include everyone, including those that don't really believe all of the components of your groups philosophy. Christians allow people to call themselves Christian who really aren't in hopes they will eventually reach salvation.

Well that explains the feudalistic and highly belligerent society that was built on his name.
Same fucking lie when Islam calls itself the religion of peace. I guess religions have a tendency to see themselves as the good guys, with the one and only truth.

The real problem is that they have a mental illness.

Maybe the ones you have spoken to do. A group isn't one person despite it being easier for your brain to think of it that way.

Son, a guy going over the line now and then is one thing.
Building a society on crusades against pagans, forceful conversions, genocidal tactics, torture and slavery is something completely different. And for ~1400 years the Christian society would not just tolerate but encourage this behavior.

'peace' in islam means islamic world domination

not even exaggerating, that's literally what they mean when they say 'islam is peace' because the arabic word for submission (to god) [islam] and peace [salam] come from the same root word.

but each of those people in that group have a mental illness

It is ok for a christian to kill a non christian.

The justifications for sin look so tempting at the time. Even the Church has many to atone for.

>but each of those people in that group have a mental illness
Is it easier to debate imaginary Christians when you make them deny reality?

>'peace' in islam means islamic world domination
Peace in Christendom means christian world domination
>christians viewed every other religion as enemy, fought them, killed them, converted them, thats how europe and the americas became christian.

The Lord Christ Jesus said

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

>bible quote

>reality

>At least Muslims let you pay a tax if you didn't convert
Only Jews and Christians though. Christians were mostly converting non abrahamic religions

Yes, it is known to every Christian how often we stray from the path of righteousness, and is the subject of most of the Church's teachings.

The attempts at conversion in Spain were very brutal, but they were not exclusive to the Christians. Most atrocities in america were committed by those who had been brought up by the crusaders and proceeded to continue the conquistador behavior with the pagans.

>God made us better than all those filthy heathens, who are either demons, beasts, subhumans etc. and if they don't see God's light they deserve to be killed; and in fact God wants them dead which will also conveniently make room for us
Literally they're not human so it's not murder.

Deus vult!

What about the hindus and the zoroastrians.
Both groups still exist while tey have been under muslim rule for centuries.

I'm talking about the tax
My understanding was only "people of the book" could pay the tax

take them as slaves, you bind em in chains, whip em into servitude and forcefully baptize them, you may have condemned them and all their children to a life in slavery, but hey, at least you have saved their eternal soul.
>Christian deal of the week

>hindus
Muslims killed them first as pagans but gave up when they realized how many of them they are (they creatively reinterpreted them as monotheists).

>zoroastrians
Went from one of the largest religions in the world to next to nothing.

also why islam spread so fast, because zakat was much lower than jizya

Are Sikhs the greatest kebab removers?

Black legend.

The Indo-Persian Iran became moderately tolerant once they conquered and subjugated most of India by brutal force.
This means people where spared from genocide and could practice their religion, even if it was not a book religion, if they where loyal subjects to their Muslim overlords.
Just because you don't kill someone doesn't exactly mean you are friendly to him.

>christians viewed every other religion as enemy, fought them, killed them, converted them

That's because they were the enemy, Charlemagne tried to make peace with the Saxons time and time again but they kept chimping out.

Christianity is not the group of people who call themselves Christian, it is those who actually follow the teachings of Christ.

That would be a massive improvement over what actually happened. They were supposed to give natives a chance to convert but they found creative ways to not do that, like for example they would read out the edict to convert in the middle of the night half a mile away from a village they were planning on destroying, and when the villagers (who obviously hadn't heard the edict even if they could understand it) didn't respond they just rode to the village and massacred everyone.

>It came to this pass, that the Indians should be commanded on the penalty of a bloody War, Death, and perpetual Bondage, to embrace the Christian Faith, and submit to the Obedience of the Spanish King; [but] these wicked Spaniards, like Theives came to any place by stealth, half a Mile off of any City, Town or Village, and there in the Night published and proclaim'd the Edict among themselves after this manner:

>"You Cacics and Indians of this Continent, the Inhabitants of such a Place, which they named; We declare or be it known to you all, that there is but one God, one hope, and one King of Castile, who is Lord of these Countries; appear forth without delay, and take the oath of Allegiance to the Spanish King, as his Vassals."

>So about the Fourth Watch of the Night, or Three in the Morning these poor Innocents overwhelm'd with heavy Sleep, ran violently on that place they named, set Fire to their Hovels, which were all thatcht, and so, without Notice, burnt Men, Women and Children; kill'd whom they pleas'd upon the Spot; but those they preserv'd as Captives, were compell'd throughTorments to confess where they had hid the Gold, when they found little or none at their Houses; but they who liv'd being first stigmatized, were made Slaves; yet after the Fire was extinguisht, they came hastily in quest of the Gold.

en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Short_Account_of_the_Destruction_of_the_Indies

These are horrible atrocities committed by evil men and anyone who attempts to justify them is wicked themselves.

They don't. They're just power hungry people who want to control everything. They just call themselves Christians

>where main stream Christians of their time
>behavior was accepted by all society
>forceful and violent spreading of Christianity was seen as a good and noble thing

>but muh true christians

No christian today follows Jesus, you are all sinning pieces of shit that should be burned alive especially the vast majority of christian women that whore all the time.

They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.

13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Isnt this basically the same defense people use now about jihadists?

There is no defending these men.

They didn't really need to. They're secular forces with a sword in one hand but a cross in another. The cross isn't why they did it, just cover.

There isn't, but it's the same thing. It's not the religion, the religion a good boy it dindu nuffin. It's the evil men using said religion to justify heinous acts.

Justifications are just justifications. They rarely actually resemble the real reason an action was taken.
youtube.com/watch?v=wfYbgdo8e-8

The Christians were influenced by the Muslims they interacted with in Andalusia.

see Patricia Seed

Jihadists follow the Quaran, though.

>pretty much every atrocity a man can do to another was done on wholesale level by devout Christian believers.

Saying out loud that you're a Christian while committing atrocities =/= actually being a Christian.

I mean, everyone in Europe the last 2000 years has been a Christian, that doesn't mean every single horrible thing they have done has been motivated religiously.

Yeah but you can read the Quran and easily see how violent it is whereas you have to ignore the entire New Testament to justify violence in the bam rod Christianity.

That people largely ignored the text they purported to follow is not a fault of the text. It's a fault of the institution and the individuals therein.

>in Veeky Forums
>believe the black legend

Man, why couldn't we just not kill each other instead.

allahu akbar

>hindus
Bad example. Islam condemns polytheism and is pretty violent when it comes to the treatment of hindus.
>Zoroastrians
Minimized religion to the point that the average person gives 0 fucks.

Finally/

Don't confuse Catholics with Christians

Muslims only accepted Christians and Jews (people of the book) in their midst, not pagans. There was no tax and no legal protection for pagans.

If Muslims had found a whole continent of pagans they would have done just about the same as Christian powers did.

in caliphate days it was made ruinously expensive by design so that people would be forced to convert or face whatever punishment the tax collector could dream up. Make no mistake, these were forced conversions even if they were not done at the point of a sword.

This was however changed in the days of the gunpowder islamic empires where Jizya was made more fair and became a significant source of income rather than a conversion tool.

I do find it interesting that Sikhism, being a faith born after Islam, has central tenets that are a direct reaction to Islamic repression. The concept of an ideal sikh man being a "saint-soldier" and the doctrine that all sikh temples be built to be defensible and have an armory arise after two successive gurus were captured in Mughal raids and killed when they refused to convert.