Could somebody give me some info about rhodesia? Like what the goal was and their plans...

>Therefore, now its like a white Atlantis.
This implies that Rhodesia was simply a run of the mill mediocre country, but that's far from true. Rhodesia was called the breadbasket of Africa because it produced so much food that it fed the entire continent. It also was energy self efficient, with massive hydroelectric dams, that's how it held out for so long.

Now the whites were moved off of the fields and the land, for purely ideological reasons. Who was it it given to? Black farmers who knew fuck all about farming. They didn't keep any whites on to train them, all the land was repossessed. And that dam? It burst due to terrible maintenance.

Rhodesia is literally a story of apocalypse occuring. It's not even about the racial aspect, ZANU are literally North Korea tier in how inept they are.

Holy shit, why were the whites moved out?

forced to.

Shitty populist leader needed a boogeyman and he decided to use the fucking backbone and brains of his nation as the boogeyman.

Because they were in the minority. You have to understand, White isn't synonymous with Rhodesia and Black isn't synonymous with ZANU. ZANU, Mugabe's terrorist group turned political party hate white people, they kick them off their farms for no reason, assaults on whites are overlooked, the people who's farms are taken are often arrested for "treason". It's like communism + racial supremacy + nobody willing to stop it.

Pic related, black Zimbabweans protesting ZANU's "land reform".

That shit happened in 2000, Zimbabwe had existed since 20 years by then, her downfall had nothing to do with black majority rule since the country's economy was steadily growing up until 1997
>why were the whites moved out
>for purely ideological reasons
Wrong, it was a political power play, the black majority especially the veterans demanded redistribution of land since they mostly lived in poverty while the Rhodies still owned the most fertile land

water coming from one of the sluices
>it burst

c'mon. 3/10

dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2961780/Zimbabwe-Zambia-secure-urgent-repairs-giant-Kariba-Dam.html

>>for purely ideological reasons
>Wrong, it was a political power play
They're the same fucking thing, laddo. It was caused by a political ideology of black supremacism and Marxism.

Then how do you fucking explain that it didn't happen until 2000 in the fast-track land reform and not in the 80s?

How do you explain how Lenin's New Economic Policy was state capitalist and allowed limited private enterprise despite him being a communist?

Mugabe's goal was always and is currently the removal of all whites from Zimbabwe, he despises whites, up until the noughties he realised he couldn't simply do that because it would fuck the entire economy up, but he's since shown he doesn't care as long as the whites suffer.

>and only the educated ones could vote
Incorrect. You either had to pay a certain amount in taxes or you had to serve in the military. All white males were conscripted, but blacks had to volunteer thus the blacks were theoretically restricted from voting by the nature of the system (but not really). For what it's worth, there were far more black millionaires in Rhodesia than white ones (though that should be expected).

Thank you everyone for giving your input, this will be a big help on my paper.
Is there anything else I should be aware of about Rhodesia?

P.S. Rhodesia sounds like it was a pretty good place imo, like I wouldn't of minded living there until the whites were forced out

I didn't know this was for any sort of academic paper. Just put "The proud African revolutionary freed his people from imperialist bigots."

Fuck That noise. Lrn 2 civil engineering.

B-but user I wanna talk about the whites

>The proud African revolutionary freed his people from imperialist bigots.

A+
Great job!

>He was probably deceived into thinking the Bush War was a race war when in actuality large numbers of black Africans lived and fought as Rhodesians
This. Most blacks just wanted a peaceful life.

> "The proud African revolutionary freed his people from imperialist bigots."
This. If you don't want to fail your paper, you must do this - it's mandatory shit.

>paper

Stop being lazy and go out and do your own research. It's one thing to ask about something if you are curious and something entirely different if you are asking randos on the internet about information for a research paper.

You can't put that spin on Mugabe. He has an Hitler mustache.

Honestly, my bachelor senior sem was like 98% colonial apology and I got a 100% at a liberal arts college because I actually researched my shit and argued my point well.

Wow just like every European country in the history and a good part of the rest. Everything else was ok but oh, man, many blacks couldn't vote. How racist!

>many blacks couldn't vote
They could have if they just joined the fucking army.

>Is there anything else I should be aware of about Rhodesia?
They were fucking badasses and remarkably good at keeping things going despite sanctions.

They probably said they were South African when asked in the US about their nationality, despite SA having worse segregation they had less sanctions at the time.

>They probably said they were South African when asked in the US about their nationality, despite SA having worse segregation they had less sanctions at the time.

this is the retarded thing

the bottom line was the brits/americans didn't give a shit about the voting rights, they cared about who was in power. For the Brits (mostly the labour party) it was the public humiliation about being told to fuck off by 400,000 or so colonial settlers, hence why they kept pushing for Mugabe even when Muzorewa held office.

The same time Wilson was warning Rhodesia with sanctions they were also importing South African metals (gold, copper etc), so their logic really fails when you look back at history.

Correct me if any of this is wrong:

>Mugabe starts a war he can't afford to pay for
>has to appease soldiers somehow
>whips up anti-white/anti-colonial sentiment
>veterans take white-owned farms as payment, evicting current owners and workers (white and black) with tacit government support
>without skilled workers to run them, farms deteriorate
>Zimbabwe's farm-based economy collapses
>everybody not already dead winds up starving and destitute
>Western governments are to blame for sanctioning Rhodesia and supporting Mugabe

That's the jist of it. It wasn't just the farming though. Zimbabwe is abundant with natural resources like coal, gold, copper, platinum.
After a couple of decades under "socialist" African rule, it was the infrastructure that was falling apart. Roads, mines, trains... When this starts falling apart you're well on the track to a failed economy. Mugabe didn't fix the infrastructure. He had a war in the Congo (until all the tanks broke down) and he lined the pockets of his friends.

>mostly the labour party
To be fair it was the Tories who sold them out in the end

The Rhodesians celebrated Thatcher coming to power only for her to shrug

>Western governments are to blame for sanctioning Rhodesia and supporting Mugabe
There's some of this, but if Rhodesia hadn't declared unilateral independence then a more moderate figure may have come to power. Rhodesia did have a black president during 1979 as Zimbabwe-Rhodesia (not recognized elsewhere)

In some ways the policies of the UDI regime just pushed the black Rhodesians into the arms of extremists and made the world position less tenable (as for example even though it's highly likely Mugabe intimidated his way into power during the first elections, Britain could hardly say "Okay, disqualified" because then he'd take up armed struggle again.)

But at the same time, transitioning to majority rule almost always ended in shit so it seems wishful thinking to say that a move to majority rule in 1965 would've yielded a continuing prosperous Rhodesia. Maybe if South Africa made her a puppet.

>rhodesia
someone post anthem guys

i crie every tiem

:^(

youtube.com/watch?v=M60OI5nZ2LM
I very much enjoy this, but haven't they just nicked "Ode to Joy" for the tune?

Something about learning this and "Ode to Joy" being the EU anthem amuses me greatly.

Reading A Handful of Hard Men, about their SAS, it's insane how fucked up the international response is.
Literally every country in the world is supporting Mugabe's terrorists who are mutilating whites and any blacks they think aren't "resisting the whites enough", shooting down passenger airliners and then killing the survivors.
Even apartheid South Africa was against them. Each time a deal was tried to be reached about univsersal suffrage, the government gets fucked over by the UN or the British or the US. Even after they hold elections and a black bishop is elected PM that isn't enough. They don't stop fucking the country until Mugabe and his literal terrorists are in control.

Meh, we don't need another shitty Rhodesia circlejerk, take it back to /pol/

It's a shame things devolve into white nationalist circlejerking. I've always liked Rhodesia since once you've passed the point of UDI, it starts to become a bit of a "Pick between two really shitty options" game.

It's a fun political experiment. I put myself on the "not racist, lefty" side of the spectrump, but with hindsight I'd probably see Iain Smith in power through the 80s. (Or Bishop Muzorewa)

I'm inclined to disagree with Ghandi and take the view that good governance matters more than self governance when dealing with situations as volatile as post colonial africa.

Ghandi was a racist who hated blacks and was a pedo

fuck him

also these thread are posted by stormfags, hide and filter gentleman.

White South African here whose family came from Rhodesia. AMA

IIRC that was entirely intentional. Upon hearing the EU had adopted this as their anthem they decided to make one with it's tune to try to appeal to that "pan european" sentiment.

>It's a lefty/pol/ gets mad at history and loses his spaghetti season

Here's the version shown between Saturday morning cartoons.

youtube.com/watch?v=eyJFRTJgPbU

>names cecil rhodes
>i'm here to keep a brotha down
Top kek.

>Britain decolonizes and decides to sing Kumbaya with blacks on their own tiny island
>Doesn't work so well for Kenya, Uganda, etc., blacks run whites out, everything turns to shit
>Rhodesia sees that blacks simply aren't ready to assume control of a nation-state overnight
>Says "FuckThat.bmp"
>Declares independance
>Implements a system whereby blacks will be raised
>Soviets and PRC start supporting black insurrectionists all around the south-east of Africa (this is where Mugabe comes in)
>Cause shitstorm for Rhodesia
>Bush wars ensue (Rhodesia kicks ass, but it's going to be endless war)
>USA and Britain won't help 'coz Ian Smith a raysuss and we need to distract from our own race issues here (South Africa is cool though because they're way more conservative than Rhodesia)
>Only SA is left to support (via supply convoys up one highway), but eventually even this stops
>Rhodesia, backs to the wall decide to cave and hold elections
>Mugabe intimidates voters outside the poll stations to vote for him with goons
>Mugabe takes over
>Generally keeps things running smoothly for a while
>War buddies start demanding their gibsmedats they were promised
>'Gabe starts repossessing/redistributing white farmland
>Blacks who don't know how to farm land now own it
>Everything turns to shit (crop failure, hyperinflation)
>"We would just steal, but there is nothing left to steal anymore."
Daily reminder that Ian Smith did nothing wrong

>>Rhodesia, backs to the wall decide to cave and hold elections
>>Mugabe intimidates voters outside the poll stations to vote for him with goons
>>Mugabe takes over
See, this is the worst part, this didn't even happen. They had an election where a moderate nationalist won, Abel Muzorewa, but Britain decided this wasn't good enough and demanded another election, where Mugabe won through intimidation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_Rhodesia_general_election,_1979
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Rhodesian_general_election,_1980

>hated blacks
>started an ambulance corps and regularly treated zulu soldiers and civilians
>when the second boer war starts the brit commander welcomed him and his lad with open arms.