If a time traveler went to the past and assassinated Karl Marx before he wrote anything...

there would still be Frederick

>There have been zero cases where a great man was retroactively removed yet his works were done by someone else.
Because honey, then the great man theory would would tell you to not pay attention to the removed guy and fucking switch the narrative to the someone else (i.e. the guy who fucking did.) Therefore disregarding that said great mang was a product of his fucking time & upbringing.

Furthermore you're asking people to make fucking guesses in history by your stupid shitty sentence.

>just one of the many

I never said there weren't others. I said he is way more recognized than any of the others, by far. It's not even close.

No, the only difference would be that Marxism would be called Engelsism instead.

If Engels had the ability to do what Marx did he wouldn't be a thousand times less well known. People remember Marx and not Engels for a reason.

That is not a valid logical deduction.

Explain why people remember Marx but not Engels then.

Why is his recognizability even relevant to the question at hand (as to whether his work could have been done by someone else)? There was a whole proto-Marxist movement called Chartism when Marx was still a toddler. It was an idea whose time had come. Marx gave the esprit of class conflict philosophical and economic rigor.

>another thread implying Marx did anything wrong

>Why is his recognizability even relevant to the question at hand (as to whether his work could have been done by someone else)?

His recognizability IS his work. Coming up with ideas isn't that important, the important thing he did that no one else came anywhere close to matching him on is in the degree to which he influenced others, which is something you can measure through recognizability.

Yes you're right, the world wuz a paradise before the lizard jews invented communism and destroyed with their mind controle laser everything.
>how many centuries ahead would that shift today's technology global standard of living?
All commie countries were backward shitholes long before Marx had his first wank.
Not much of value was lost.

>His recognizability IS his work

That statement is meaningless.

Funny, in his own time, his friends and family even noticed the conspiracy of silence surrounding his work, which no one would publish.

He did publish in a New York newspaper, but no one would go near his book-length work with a ten-foot bargepole for obvious reasons.

>That statement is meaningless.

No, it has a very concrete meaning. My argument is that Marx is different from other thinkers who proposed similar ideas because he had a much, much larger ability to influence than those others did. Having an idea similar to communism isn't the same as having numerous states adopt your idea and name it after you. Influence is what makes him special, not his ideas themselves.

Europe was having revolutions left and right before he became a larger figure. Calling themselves marxists or something else is irrelevant.

>Calling themselves marxists or something else is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant. There's a reason they did that. There's also a reason aside from states that many other individual, recognizable thinkers read his writings and credited him as the primary influence for their own ideas. People like Marx, Jesus, and the Beatles all had abnormally excessive influence on history. Their influence is an attribute in itself worth noting and explaining separate from what the content they influenced with was about.

You know who also had an abnormally excessive influence on history? the velvet underground and their records sold like garbage.

I hope this dumb ass example is adequate to your shit ass intellect.

>their records sold like garbage.

Not an argument. Making money isn't the same as having influence. See: Van Gogh and James Joyce.

How do you retroactively remove someone from the fabric of spacetime?

You don't, that's the joke.

Marx was louder, more obnoxious.

You're the one mixing popularity with influence you dingus. If Marx was killed it doesn't mean the works of communism would had stopped there.

Influence doesn't have to be instant. Not making money while you're alive doesn't mean you won't be hugely influential later.

Marx brought in teh philosophy fags with the dialectical materialism mumbo jumbo

he was a typical German who only had faith in auticrats and was blind to the superior virtues of Anglo-democracry

confirmed for never having read Marx

I'm guessing somewhere around zero.

>All commie countries were backward shitholes long before Marx had his first wank.
>Not much of value was lost.
This.

Marx was actually ten times more clever than Engels and found what Engels had written to be terrible so he rewrote it.

LOL

Engels was pretty ok with playing second fiddle to Marx and working with him in the editing process. Engels made a choice to abstain from innovation.

Well, you haven't read any of yhose thinkers. If you did you would recognize how different they are from Marx and why Marx sold and the others didn't. Look at Shakespeare. Shakespeare became Shakespeare because if years of praise and analysis. There were many playwrights in his time, but Shakespeare is recognizable among them. Had Shakespeare not existed there would be another #1 playwright, but he wouldn'thave had the same reach and impact. Same goes for Plato, Kant, Nietzsche, Hitler, etc. Great men don't create their niches, but the way they play these niches is what affects history. There have been many dictators, but only 1 Hitler,1 Napoleon, etc.

are you retarded? the cold war pushed technological advancement more than any other event in history.

Blue collar pls.