Dying on the battlefield is the only honourable way to die

if you die on the battlefield you are doing something that's fundamentally the point of human existence, fighting for your people

>Evolian perspective

Which is essentially neo-Romanticism.

>military action is the highest form of action

How? Again, that's basically romantic militarism. It falls apart when people actually experience/witness warfare and suddenly realize
>oh SHIT war is actually hell, whooduf thunk?

The ones who glorify war are the ones most far removed from it. Mostly politicians who are trying to get poor young men to go die for them for economic interests.

>2016
>people still feel bounded to a piece of ground
ISHYGDDT

t. nu-males

Go play some videogames and complain about feminism on /pol/
America needs compulsory conscription ASAP

the cause or purpose of the war is almost irrelevant as long as you are fighting for your volk in some way (which essentially all wars are).

Thank you, Lieutenant Worf.

youtube.com/watch?v=rSPj_G2yVz4

It's very complicated and I'm not sure I fully understand it, but I believe Evola thinks that millitary action is the highest form of action because it's combining a nietzschean will to power with a physical and strategic act, and as such it turns into an almost mythic form of action.

and Evola fought in WWI and became paralyzed following a bombing raid in WWII, so he knew exactly how ugly war is.

my people should do the fighting for themselves

>Laughingpoliticalelite.jpg

to do what?

>oh shit, someone is calling me out on me believing retarded romantic propaganda
>better call them a meaningless slur to discredit their arguments

Because there has almost always been a wide separation between the philosophical class and the warrior class.

Neither cares for the virtues of the other.

>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
Because it's stupid as fuck. Read something like With the Old Breed or Storm of Steel, shit will (hopefully) teach you that war is hell.

>honourable

>and became paralyzed following a bombing raid in WWII
It only happened because he was an edgelord
>It was Evola's custom to walk around the city during bombing raids in order to better 'ponder his destiny'. During one such raid, in March or April 1945, a shell fragment damaged his spinal cord and he became paralyzed from the waist down, remaining so for the remainder of his life.

SPOOK
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There is no honor in death

>The ones who glorify war are the ones most far removed from it.
What about Ernst Junger?

>Compulsory Conscription happens.
>Muh manliness
>Muh virtues
>???
>Just a bunch of teen jerkoffs doing shit in the woods.
t. Finlan.

It's basically high school but with guns.

>work in the army to avoid conscription
>lose all hope in human race after meeting some of the most corrupt individuals ever
>laugh as I draft Chads from university
>make some actual friends
>acquire some useful connections, get a government job later
t. Russian
All in all, it was okay

Ask someone who has died on the battlefield?

Isn't the Russian military really fucked up and dangerous? Like hazing that includes rape and being beaten to near-death?

>Honourable

I was working in a conscription centre and went home every evening, its not like I've been to actual barracks. But that shit really only happens in border fringe camps, the spoopiness of russian army is overrated, but again, it is really, really corrupt.

Americans can afford to be warmongering idiots because they don't what a war is, a war isn't sitting comfortably in your own home thousands of kilometers from a battlefield you entered when you were sure of your own superiority. A war is not soldiers dying. A war means your house, your neighbourhood, your city gets obliterated, half your family dies the other half gets raped, an entire country in ruins with deads everywhere, with no one to care for others, with difficulty to find food, with cold, with despair.

Wars are horrible, only a fucking american autist couldn't understand how horrible it is and laugh heartily when you're talking of civilians deaths.One day maybe america will get invaded, your childrens slaughtered, raped, your houses, buildings and cities destroyed, we'll see then if y'all are atill warmongering idiots.

>dying for King Chad is "honorable"
oh dear

Honour is what saved western civilization during Thermopylae
Honour is what saved western civilization during Second Punic War
Honour is what saved western civilization during the crusades
Honour is what saved western civilization during World Wars

You sit here and enjoy your first world comfiness because better men had actuals morals

>Western Civilization was saved twice before it existed, once when it was still a bunch of peasants worshiping a sky fairy, and those two times when western civilization fought against western civilization and after loosing their architecture, population, colonies, prestige, world philosophy, aristocratic class, and moral mandate to rule the world managed to save western civilization... from itself

>Honour is what saved western civilization during World Wars

What ? Was germany not a western country ? Uh you're probably american and think your country is the embodiment of western civilization even if you're a country that went from barbaric to decadent without never attaining civilization.

Morals are a spook and so is western civilization, the deaths and suffering of your close ones, the destruction of everything you hold dear, your own death and suffering is far more important than any of these things.

t. pampered high class american

>civilisation
>saved
>honor

>Honour is what saved western civilization during the crusades

Yeah, those heroic crusaders sure saved the Roman empire.

well, we're no longer a androcentric society like we were back in the past. We no longer see the soldier as the defender of the homeland but instead the goon of corporations.
I think the trauma of both world wars combined with the shift in our society to Gynocentrism caused us to become "peace loving" "cowards"

>dying
>honourable

Imagine you're part of an army and your army utterly crushes the opposing army, but you die. You're the only casualty. You won't be remember as being honourable, just a stupid faggot who ruined their army's k/d.

>le spooked maymay XDDDD

Yes, material wealth is the only thing that matters. Which is why people working in finance have such low depression rates.

>Honour is what saved western civilization during Thermopylae

Stopped reading here, if Persia won, they would have just made Greece a satrap and moved on, its culture would have remained largely intact until whatever eventually came along to make the empire collapse.

t. nu male
lies
>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
it hasn't been, Plato and Socrates both fought against the Persians and their Republic glorifies warriors.
The West would not have learned the price of independence nor its significance.
>implying
They did you dingaling, it was only when the merchants got involved did things go south, also if it wasn't for the Turks it wouldn't have mattered.
Stirner would have supported the crusades if you asked him.
>local disputes equate to an existential threat
>pic related
Absolutely Euphoric, now please go back to mlp, you Plebbit tier mong.

Oh wait... Didn't the Persian King want to wipe Athens off the map for being fuckups?
guess you're wrong there too...

Who gives a shit how you die you won't exist to hear what people say of it

wealth is also a spook

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

fuck honor, glory is way better and you can die earning it without being on the battlefield

>Ancient Greece
>the West

Also, that's why Greece would be dominated by foreign powers for 1000 of the next 2000 years.

Also
t. user who is neither currently serving in the Armes forces or joined the Peshmerga and all eight of his chins quiver as he rages against the evil nu-males

>8 chins
>8
hmmmm, got me thinking

Dying just means your army is shit.
>Honor
Fuck honor I would rather bait enemy infantry into coming into an area then drop poison gas all over them, while having my airforce blow up their airports.

Learn English, you hysterical imbecile.

Oh fuck off with your Thermopylae bullshit.

> Everyone who has seen combat becomes a quivering-blubbering pacifistic blob

>"The ground is dirtyyyy!"
>"You could get huuuuurt...;_;"

Boy, I sure would love to die in some shitty proxy war in the middle east to line the pockets of the elite with oil money.

The world would have been better off if Athens was wiped off the map tbph

Athens =/= Greece

>Stirner would have supported the crusades if you asked him.

Yeah, go die in battle. I'll stay back, pork the women, and hang out at the pub.

He isn't wrong,you know.
The fact that he might not speak or type English correctly does not refute his point.

How many Americans do you even know?

Awfully fuckin spooky in here.

His "point" does not address the OP, it only serves to show what a good boy he is, being so full of empathy and compassion. If you're going to hyperventilate, might as well use proper grammar.

Spooky stuff my friend. Feel free to volunteer and die.

>thermopylae
yeah.
Thank goodness Athens was saved from being destroyed by the dreadful and evil persians.

kek, this is Christopher McCandless tier retardation

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>implying /pol/ doesn't make edgy comments on fighting to the death

Evola? More like Ebola

There's nothing honorable about dying in war. Just read some of the accounts of people who actually fought. The whole 'battle is honorable' bullshit was made up by generals and other military leaders to give their troops some motivation.

>why has this been ignored by philosophers?

Philosophers were nerds who couldn't fight, so naturally they never argued that fighting was necessary for goodness.

Ugh, honor? Glory? Motherland? Such old-fashioned concepts were invented by corrupt state rulers to maintain an army for their selfish needs, it's about as ridiculous as religion. I identify as socialist and pacifist, perhaps you should educate yourself before throwing your life away for spooks

>Honour is what saved western civilization during Thermopylae
Heh, so western civilization mean that all mans are faggots?

> Motherland? Such old-fashioned concepts were invented by corrupt state rulers to maintain an army for their selfish needs
Lol, fight for your Motherland, your home and family most important in life of any man

it was satire, einstein

are you saying that every other way to die is honourless ?

what other way can you die with honour?

the only other I can think of is dying as a POW, but that's basically the same thing

protecting someone or something, accomplishing something in your life and dying with the feeling of having made a difference, etc. being a person and managing to make something of it makes any death honorable; not because of the particulars of the death but for how the life was lived.

So a firefighter who dies saving people isn't honorable?

>Honour is what saved western civilization during the crusades
lmao

Honour is a meaningless meme that many men use to affirm what they perceive to be their precious masculinity and self-worth. There is nothing worthwhile in honour for its own sake; it should be pursued instead as a standard of conduct that promotes a harmonious society.

You died in a battle that was fought to advance the ambitions of greedy men? Well done; you are truly honourable.

I fucking cringed. I can't wait for the day autistic stirnerites like you hang from lamp posts.
>hur le dying for your people is a spook, aha arent i edgy :))
>ew toxic masculinity EWW
That's exactly right. Anyone who believes in anything other than himself is a spooked cuck.

This is a cringe thread, right?

Ironyyyyyyyyy

>Striner supporting dying for a spook

Man, you're really fucking spooked. You then try to called others spooked when they call you out on your irrational thinking.

Edgy

I wasn't even trying to reference Stirner, I'm just calling you a retard that thinks his arbitrary notion of honour and manliness has any real universal grounding or worth. Go ahead and die in battle for a cause spurred on by other people being greedy retards or seeking "honour"

ha

This post may be an attempted satire but it's 100% right.

>Strenght is molar glory

What was that even supposed to mean?

>Dying on the battlefield is the only honourable way to die.
Do you have some kind of rationale behind this or are you just spewing nonsense? Obviously not all wars are just and good, dying in the Middle East as an American soldier is anything but honourable, you gave your life for an oil supply so your buddies back home can drive a car for cheaper than the rest of the world.

I fail to see how succumbing to burns after running into a flaming building in order to save a person is less honourable than getting shot for some nebulous cause.

Obviously some wars are more just than others, and certainly dying on the battlefield can be honourable, but definitely not in all cases.

The only things even remotely debate-worthy in that post are the "socialist and pacifist" parts. Honour, glory, motherland *were* invented as a ways of consolidating people under a state's control. Armies should be defensive in nature and shouldn't be glorified, nor would they be particularly necessary in the first place were it not for the existence of aggressors and warmongers that seek to further their ambitions and prestige. A spook that exists only to make you feel better about yourself and your masculinity isn't worth throwing your life away for.

>why has this been ignored by philosophers?

Who says it has? I think most people would agree that a romantic or ideal death is the best death, but most people have a temperament colored with an aversion to death in the first place.

That said, philosophers by and large buy the utilitarianism meme, so an ideal death is a death with the least amount of suffering / most comfort possible. Romanticism, perfectionism, idealism, virtue, etc etc are not prevailing notions because of academic autism. You can't systematize such things so easily, so they seem to have less explanatory power

Yes, yes. Thank you for dying to protect my property and wealth. Of course I'm too wealthy and important to fight myself, but remember dying for my property, I mean your country is honourable *sniggers under breath*!