Be Allende

>Be Allende
>Have zero support in the supreme court, military or congress
>Everyone in the military and national congress openly hates you
>Get condemned by every judge in the supreme court
>Be shit ruler in general
>Massive inflation
>Food shortages
>People strike every day
>Crowds of 100k people protesting your rule
>Already one attempted coup
>Get surprised when Pinochet chimps out on you

How the fuck did he not see it coming?

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ciperchile.cl/pdfs/09-2013/edwards/Nixon2.pdf
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Idk but he died stylishly. Small stuf like that always make me feel bad for south america.

>Have zero support in the supreme court, military or congress
>Everyone in the military and national congress openly hates you

The UP controlled 19/50 senatorial seats and 63/150 of the lower representative seats in congress.

There was support from the military but they were simply killed even before the coup by CIA-funded terrorist groups like Patria y Libertad, Generals Araya and Schneider being the most prominent cases, most would be purged after the coup, like Bachelet. Generally speaking the Air Force was more left-leaning while the Navy was the most right wing.

>Get condemned by every judge in the supreme court
>Be shit ruler in general

Allende established pretty important shit in general, expanding the national education, housing programs,etc. Perhaps the most important was the nationalization of many natural resources, specially copper which continues to sustain the chilean economy to this day.

>Massive inflation
>Food shortages
>People strike every day

Derived from the economic war waged against us by the US under orders of Nixon with helps of the local upper classes, Project FUBELT. All of which is documented in reports Himchey and Church. President's Nixon's phrase "Make their economy scream" sums it up, perfectly.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm
aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/contents.htm
hsdl.org/?abstract&did=438476

Specially useful to american interests was the millionaire Agustin Edwards, owner of Chile's biggest media conglomerate. Even before Allende assumed the presidency the US was plotting to overthrow him.

ciperchile.cl/pdfs/09-2013/edwards/Nixon2.pdf
ciperchile.cl/pdfs/09-2013/edwards/Helms1.pdf

The Sindicato de Camioneros de Chile (truckers) which was the country's main supply method, was also in the CIA's pocket, for example, funded with 2 million dollars they staged a national strike that paralyzed the whole country for many days.

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>Crowds of 100k people protesting your rule

The UP had the support of 43% of the population by March 1973, which was actually a big increase of the 35% they had by the start of their presidency. They also increased the number of seats held by the coalition the same year.

lemondediplomatique.cl/article2637,2637.html

Also worth nothing is that Allende was planing to call for a national plebiscite so the people could choose whether or not he should continue in power or not, as he was most likely to win it, the CIA ordered the coup to be staged earlier. Pic related.

>Get surprised when Pinochet chimps out on you

Pinochet was a relative nobody before being promoted by Allende precisely because he was a literally who which made him less dangerous than stronger figures in the army.

Hope this teaches 1st world kids to inform themselves before posting their retarded memes about shit they know nothing about.

>Already one attempted coup
Wut?

Nice work user.

A coup attempt in June 1973 by an armored regiment, it was put down by loyalist troops commanded by General Prats, who would later resign because right wing officials could use him a pretext to instigate dissent among the military, he was the one who suggest Allende to give his second in command, Pinochet, his position; this is something many people ignore, Pinochet was a loyalist up until the coup and was literally the last general to hop onto the plan.

General Prats was assassinated in 1974 by the american agent Michael Townley who was working for Pinochet's secret police, the DINA.

>The UP controlled 19/50 senatorial seats and 63/150 of the lower representative seats in congress.

The national congress was controlled by hard line right wingers. He had very few allies

>Allende established pretty important shit in general, expanding the national education, housing programs,etc. Perhaps the most important was the nationalization of many natural resources, specially copper which continues to sustain the chilean economy to this day.

That's not at all fucking related to the OP

He ignored thousands of supreme court rulings which lead to the Chamber of Deputies condemning him along with the supreme court

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende#Supreme_Court.27s_resolution

>Derived from the economic war waged against us by the US under orders of Nixon with helps of the local upper classes, Project FUBELT. All of which is documented in reports Himchey and Church. President's Nixon's phrase "Make their economy scream" sums it up, perfectly.

>Copper prices falling is Nixon's fault

Commies are literally this retarded. The fact that so many people ITT agree with you shows how over run this place is with Reddit retards


>Specially useful to american interests was the millionaire Agustin Edwards, owner of Chile's biggest media conglomerate. Even before Allende assumed the presidency the US was plotting to overthrow him.

Yes, they were plotting to overthrow him, but the never got around to it. The only coup the USA directly supported was the coup of 1970

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>The UP had the support of 43% of the population by March 1973, which was actually a big increase of the 35% they had by the start of their presidency. They also increased the number of seats held by the coalition the same year.

Again, not related.

In August of 1973 100 thousand women protest Allende's shit policies and Allende ordered the police to break up the protest with tear gas

>Pinochet was a relative nobody before being promoted by Allende precisely because he was a literally who which made him less dangerous than stronger figures in the army.

No, Allende thought he was loyal. He wasn't a "literal who", he made the mistake of thinking Pinochet was apolitical
I agree.

Why did pinochet kill so many leftists if he was once a loyalist? Or was he never actually loyal?

The coup of 1973*

>Commies are literally this retarded. The fact that so many people ITT agree with you shows how over run this place is with Reddit retards
It's not too hard to agree when he linked to the declassified CIA documents supporting what he says.

The second sentence was more of a reference to a fact that there were 3 people blindly supporting his post

Pinochet was backed by the CIA later, but he wasn't backed by them during the initial coup

Because he was merely an opportunist. His fucking wife convinced him of joining the coup.

Different user, loyalist is a pretty funny term. In the context of the military, it simple means anyone who hasn't yet flipped. You aren't just a loyalist if you actively believe in the government one supports, but even if ones just too cowardly or gives too few shits to defect.

Naval Intelligence did, the coup operations were coordinated from USS Jesse L. Brown and Maddox off the coast of Chile

You can't post something like that without sauce.

>The national congress was controlled by hard line right wingers

No, the party that single handedly controlled the most seats was the Democracia Cristiana, which was a center party and the ones who allowed Allende to come to power in the first place, like the good centrists they were they later opposed his government and took funds from the CIA (also listed on the reports), supported the coup but once Pinochet became bad for PR they dropped their support of him and turned into the moral crusaders of freedom, they would later form the coalition that voted him out of power in 1988.

es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elecciones_parlamentarias_de_Chile_de_1973#Resultados

>That's not at all fucking related to the OP

OP stated ">Be shit ruler in general", when in fact Allende expanded Chile's basic services as well as creating others, free transport for students being one of them, as well important economic reforms.

>He ignored thousands of supreme court rulings which lead to the Chamber of Deputies condemning him along with the supreme court

He literally couldn't as everything had to go trough congress and many of his projects were ruled out by the court and was forced to come to pacts with the PDC to pass them, which in turn caused a portion of the PDC militants to defect to the UP and form their own party, the MAPU.

>Commies are literally this retarded. The fact that so many people ITT agree with you shows how over run this place is with Reddit retards

I see lots of petty insults and not many arguments here. Don't blame other for your lack of sources.

>Yes, they were plotting to overthrow him, but the never got around to it. The only coup the USA directly supported was the coup of 1970

see pic, they pretty much layed all the de-stabilization work and agreed the details with the military, if that is not supporting then what is it?

Sorry, no english sources for some reason.
And I will add than the coup support was made under the cover of anual naval maneuvers called UNITAS
American ships were USS Richmond K. Turner, USS Vesole, USS Talbot, USS Trumpetfish (submarine), USS Jesse L. Brown and USS Maddox. Commander was Vice Admiral FrederickJ. Harlfringer. A similar operation was made during Brazil coup in 1964.

See, what I've always heard from sources like the Church Committee is that the CIA did everything possible to destabilize Chile, but they didn't know about the Pinochet coup plot until it had already happened.

At which point they gave as much aid to Pinochet as possible.

In other words, the US did everything except actually launch the coup.

You know, every time I start to feel like Latin America might be wising up to life I get reminded that the CIA is basically the third world version of the illuminati, being the biggest baddest bogeymen around.
Maybe one day you'll be able to admit your country fucked up instead of blaming it on other people but honestly SA is like a high school gym class for females. Always oppressed, never at fault.

So once again, sauce?
>no English documents
That's odd considering the primary language of the United States armed forces is english.
Something tells me that this is just another piece of SA's legendary propaganda machine

great argument

>Again, not related.

It is, OP implies a scenario of Allende having no popular support when in fact the opposite was true.

>In August of 1973 100 thousand women protest Allende's shit policies and Allende ordered the police to break up the protest with tear gas

So? The period was marked by political violent, both pro-allende and anti protesters were repelled by police forces, this is nothing compared to much more bloody fights. Also, i love how you say tear gas as to provoke some sort of pity emotional response when it was the same people that later supported Pinochet when he ordered the army to shoot against protesters during Jornadas de Protesta Nacional and would shrug it off as being their fault for protesting, later retaliating by raiding popular neighborhoods (poblaciones) with military personnel to round up dissenters.

>No, Allende thought he was loyal. He wasn't a "literal who", he made the mistake of thinking Pinochet was apolitical


He was, the only reason he was appointed is because his predecessor recommended him. Pinochet was so uncertain about the coup that he wasn't even near when it was happening, he retreated to a command post in the mountains with a helicopter ready to take him to safety if things went wrong.

Not that user but

radiodelmar.cl/2011/09/11091973-como-los-eeuu-participaron-activamente-en-el-golpe-de-estado/#

google translate might help

>You know, every time I start to feel like Latin America might be wising up to life I get reminded that the CIA is basically the third world version of the illuminati, being the biggest baddest bogeymen around.
Are you retarded? He literally posted documents from the CIA admitting to everything he said, how the fuck is it the latinamerican version of the illuminati?

>Maybe one day you'll be able to admit your country fucked up instead of blaming it on other people but honestly SA is like a high school gym class for females. Always oppressed, never at fault.
An irrational position. Assuming a priori that foreign intervention is always at fault is as irrational as assuming a priori that it never is. Deciding based on evidence, as the user you quote, is the rational approach.

I like how even when the agency admits they did it and numerous reports are written detailing their actions, you're still in denial and provide no argument other than your own empty phrases.

>but they didn't know about the Pinochet coup plot until it had already happened.

They knew about the coup, see pic in , and it wasn't Pinochet's coup at all, he didn't even planned it.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB437/docs/Doc 6 - Sep 13 1973 - WSAG of Sep 12 - DNSA Chile 00795 .pdf

I hate how /pol/ memes about Pinochet but Allende a shit, whatever the CIA did is like saying old folks homes kill old people.

"Daaa CIA did everything!"
"Proofs?"
"WE DIN DU NUFFIN"
Great argument.

>literally
Where?
>third world only means Latin America
From Russia to china to SA the CIA is a common boogeyman. I fail to see how one organization can be so powerful yet not taken over the world completely.
>evidence
Literally none posted before the reply over yours.
And once again, if the USA is behind it there should not be much difficulty in finding an English CIA document no?

I like how none of these numerous reports have showed up.

>Where?
>none of these numerous reports have showed up

>nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm
>aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/contents.htm
>hsdl.org/?abstract&did=438476

>literally second reply

>he didn't even bothered reading the thread

my fucking sides

>Where?
>From Russia to china to SA the CIA is a common boogeyman. I fail to see how one organization can be so powerful yet not taken over the world completely.
Are you retarded enough to believe this is an argument?

>And once again, if the USA is behind it there should not be much difficulty in finding an English CIA document no?
There isn't.

>Be social democrat loser
>Destroy economy
>Get outed
>Actually we were successful and it the CIA's fault we weren't successful

So this what they call pure ideology

so where exactly does it say there that the CIA planned the coupe? It seems more like they're aware of the possibility and preparing for it. Did you know Newsweek Magazine already has both Clinton and Trump presidential magazines printed and ready to be stocked? Does that imply they know who is going to win the race and planned it or does it imply they want to be prepared either way?
Legit question because I don't see anything in that doc that proves your claims.

do you have any argument or are you just going to post an anime girl

>user quotes nixon asking for the cia to destroy chile's economy
>the ideologically motivated person is the one posting evidence, not the one ignoring it
THAT is pure ideology.

Paper is from sepember 12, 1973, one day after the coup. The part about the navy being involved is quite clear ("our ships will be out of sight, their presence will give us some options if we wanted them)

>being in this much denial

Nixon was completely exposed and there's official transcripts of him ordering to fuck up Chile's economy, there's reports detailing the US efforts to destabilize the country and the CIA admitted carrying out action to said goals.


also

>Allende
>social democrat

top lel mate, just go back facebook or whatever shithole you crawled out of because you knowledge of history is completely awful

"Awareness of Coup Plotting in 1973.
Although CIA did
not instigate the coup that ended Allende’s government on
11 September 1973, it was aware of coup-plotting by the
military, had ongoing intelligence collection relationships with
some plotters, and—because CIA did not discourage the
takeover and had sought to instigate a coup in
1970—probably appeared to condone it. There was no way
that anyone, including CIA, could have known that Allende
would refuse the putchists’ offe
r of safe passage out of the
country and that instead—with
La Moneda
Palace under
bombardment from tanks and airplanes and in
flames—would take his own life"
From your own citation.

Let me re-type that, in all capital letters so your third world brain can process it a bit better.
"ALTHOUGH THE CIA DID NOT INSTIGATE THE COUP THAT ENDED ALLENDE'S GOV'T ON 11, SEPTEMBER, 1973....."

Oh right, and the citation.
hsdl.org/?view&did=438476

Did you even read your own sources or are you piggybacking from someone else who read them for you and then spoonfed you bits and pieces out of order?

I didn´t even mention the CIA, just the United States Navy

How am I going to prove to some schizos that this and many other instances of socialism weren't covertly destroyed by capitalists paramilitary organizations?

>documents prove nixon wanted to CIA to fuck up chile's economy on purpose
>believing that nixon wanted to CIA to fuck up chile's economy on purpose makes you a schizo
Nice doublethink.

>I didn't mention the CIA
Uh, you didn't but my question was ad vertabrim "Where exactly does it say the CIA planned the coupe?"
In response to our lovely conspiracy theorist who specifically said " the CIA ordered the coup to be staged earlier. Pic related."
"Pic related" turns up a reverse image search clarifying that the USA was aware but not actively supporting it. I'm pretty convinced you lads didn't read any of your own sources at this point or pay attention to context behind images.
The only things I've asked sauce on are of the USA actively supporting the coupe. I have yet to receive any.
>muh naval ships
Did what exactly? Sat offshore and watched?

This thread is a perfect example of a /pol/tard being refuted by facts.

>historic facts are determined by the official stance of an intelligence agency, not by the declassified documentary evidence concerning that agency's actions
Cool.

So which one contains the declassified documents proving the CIA instigated Pinochet's coupe? Because ctrl + F to the following queries - Pinochet, Allende, Chile, 1973, have turned me up with the same things.

Ships can do a lot of things, command, communications, patrol, etc.

>revisionism intensifies

So where's the proof that they were doing any of this? All the documents you've linked have been very clear that the ships weren't there for direct support of any coup.

...

>Allende fag gets btfo and spins his wheels in circles
>HAHA, /POL/ BTFO

Commie delusion is real

so socialism is so fragile a few guys at the cia can bring it all tumbling down?

huh really makes you think now that the dust has settled

the CIA is obviously the most dangerous organization in the world, able to knock down entire houses of cards by simply moving naval ships into the area. And don't get me started on the evil twin, the FBI.

I'm not the chilean guy so i'm not an expert on the subject, but he proved OP and /pol/fags in the thread wrong on every single point, the only one up to debate it seems is how big the role of the CIA was on the coup itself. So yes, he did pretty much BTFO /pol/.

Except the naval ships, the contents of the declassified documents (literally lying about it), and any proof whatsoever that the CIA was involved in Pinochet's coupe.
I'm still waiting to be btfo, so if you could actually respond to these two posts it'd be lovely.

it seems that you have to mobilize you intelligence agency, destroy an economy, fund political parties, terrorist groups and syndicates, and support a military dictatorship, all because some democratically elected leader was nationalizing american companies

Well, yes, i just said that that point seems to be up to debate. You've been btfo on the others.
What makes me suspicious about your position on this point is the document in which a naval guy calls the coup "our d-day", the document explicitly asking to deny any CIA involvement, and the well documented participation in the 1970 failed coup, besides the ships. But as i said, i haven't really studied the subject enough.

Still waiting on sauce.

>is the document
Which one? You're making claims about something that you should be able to link me to directly but you cannot. And I really cannot be assed to keep doing your research for you.
It's as simple as posting the link and allowing me to Ctrl + f it.

And by the way, I don't know what "other" points you're trying to imply.
There's more than 1 poster here, and the only posts I've made have dealt directly with the CIA's involvement with pinochet.
You keep saying "muh ships" but cannot tell me what they did other than be nearby.

>Which one?
nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/docs/doc21.pdf
It was in one of the links above.

>nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/docs/doc21.pdf
Well, that was easy.
"even to we sideline observers"
Question - Did you even attempt to read it?

> I don't know what "other" points you're trying to imply
The entirety of OP and other posts.

>You keep saying "muh ships" but cannot tell me what they did other than be nearby.
I don't know user, why were there CIA ships in the coasts of chile during the coup? Were they on vacations there? I agree that their presence is not evidence enough though, which is why i said that the point is up to debate, which i have repeated quite a bit already.

>the entirety of the OP and other posts
So things that weren't made by me but are attributed to me because you cannot be assed to think that more than one person would disagree with you. Understood.
>CIA ships
They were Naval Intelligence, not CIA.
They had training exercises planned with the Chilean navy iirc.
Also user, I don't know if you've noticed, but America has ships in every major ocean around the world. A russian ship showing up off the coast of SA is suspicious. Americans that live less than 2,000 miles to the North and are known to have assets, allies, and patrols in the area? Gee I dunno. Must've been there to assist your coupe.
Seriously, use your fucking brain.

Or, better yet, give me actual fucking evidence that the USA supported pinochet's coupe.
Yes, I mean Pinochet's coupe. Not the attempted one he wasn't involved in. Not the malcontents we funded and then dropped.

>Did you even attempt to read it?
It is ambiguous, but i think he is talking about himself.

>So things that weren't made by me but are attributed to me because you cannot be assed to think that more than one person would disagree with you.
I'm not a mentalist and there are no ids. And you started by responding to a post that said "this thread is a perfect example of a /pol/tard being refuted by facts" without anyone specifically, so i don't see why you would assume that only your posts are under discussion, my egocentric friend.

>Also user, I don't know if you've noticed, but America has ships in every major ocean around the world. A russian ship showing up off the coast of SA is suspicious. Americans that live less than 2,000 miles to the North and are known to have assets, allies, and patrols in the area? Gee I dunno. Must've been there to assist your coupe.
This is addressed by kissinger himself.
>Mr. Kissinger: This isn't a question of our right to the high seas. This is the question of risk of an act of choice; how it will look if there is a pro-American coup, or at least one favorable to the US, to have American ships nearby.
>Adm. Weinel: That might not be a bad conclusion to draw in certain areas.
>Mr. Kissinger: But not in Chile.
In other words, regardless of this was the case in chile, the us navy presence near a coup was often a sign of involvement. Although i already agreed with you that it is not evidence enough, so i don't see why this was needed.

No user, he just has a horrible style of writing and is prone to fucking terrible prose.
Literally nothing else. Look at the adjectives he uses, it reads like a 7th grader trying to impress his cute English teacher. I don't know why you got so hung up over D-Day when it was obvious he didn't mean "We're landing troops on the beach in Chile".

>you responded
....
No, I didn't. The only reason I responded to was because you seem to think that anybody who disagrees with you automatically has something to do with /pol/. Fucking hell.

>The only reason I responded to (You) was because you seem to think that anybody who disagrees with you automatically has something to do with /pol/. Fucking hell.
This discussion is pointless. I don't know how do you expect me to know whether there is one person or multiple people discussing with me. Had i known that you weren't the person who made the previous arguments, i wouldn't have assumed that you were from /pol/, since your position is one that i have admitted is a priori reasonable.
But again, completely pointless, who cares.

>Sorry, no english sources

Oh that's okay, keep shilling for a long dead failure though, no evidence required here.

>for some reason

The CIA lizard aliens probably deleted it with their MindDrain ray machine. Look out user, a car just stopped outside your house, the big bad CIA has found you

>communist defending Allende embarasses our country by being a brainwashed, dindunuffin dipshit yet again

There were a hundred better arguments you could have made but MUH CIA MUH FOREIGN INTERVENTION is the crutch of every Allende supporter. It's the only way you can build a version of reality in which you don't have to acknowledge he fucked up beyond helping and your fellow Chileans didn't support him, no, you're not a TRUE CHILEAN if you aren't a socialist, those are all momios, those are all foreign CIA jew capitalists plundering.

>No True Scotsman

Calm your tits Francisco Javier.

Allende + CIA intervention = 1973

If you deny one of the two you're delusional

>Chileans didn't support him

43% said otherwise :^) my butthurt rightard friend

The CIA plans coups on literally everyone.

The CIA were involved, how the fuck do you conclude that everything bad that happened was their fault? If you don't think the KGB were running around doing the same shit, you are delusional.

where did I say that you fucking retard, I included Allende too

I'm not aware of any evidence that the KGB were active in Chile.

The Mitrokhin Archive contains evidence that the KGB helped to push Allende into office in the 1970 elections.