SS13 in general lacks a lot of what I think a good game needs for roleplaying, the rounds are too short and they're all standalone, a character can't develop, a player can't get too invested because they know in 3 hours it'll be completely reset. You see this in how people play, nobody sacrifices anything, there's no compromise. All or nothing, all the time.
>Get caught? Suicide succumb, tab out and play again in an hour >Trapped in a dangerous place? Try and escape alone, even if the odds are less than 1 in a 100, never even consider calling for help. >In the bar Don't talk to anyone else, why does it matter who the other characters are, the round will reset in 2 hours so talking to them about anything other than getting the valids is a waste of time.
Sad. I'd say the setting of ss13 is good but it really isn't, it's incredibly soft science fiction with bland factions and no depth. We know next to nothing about centcomm except you work for them, the syndicate are bad guys who blow up stations and steal things, wizards have a federation and harass centcomm for some reason and vampires enjoy living on space stations despite sunlight cooking them to ash.
Nothing makes sense, the rounds are too fast, there's no consequence to actions, nothing matters. The admins care more about forcing another round than telling a compelling story, the community has collective ADD and can't slow down. Bay goes in the opposite direction sadly, too much sitting around. The gameplay isn't interesting enough to it's only roleplaying, there needs to be a game. There needs to be a fun job to be performed, there needs to be an antagonist to drive a story and create tense situations. A gutted and hug box station doesn't provide any interesting things for a player to explore there character.
Isaac Williams
SS13 lacks what a lot of pen and paper/tabletop roleplaying games have and thrive in. You spend maybe an hour making your character, you play them for hours, slowly watching them become more experienced and interacting with the setting. You begin with their background and naturally see how they act through their early adventures. As things get more dangerous your character ends up forced into bad situations, a fight too hard, a choice between fighting to the end or retreating and leaving their dying comrades behind. Something that really defines your character in a moment of weakness, something you as a player really are invested in because you've put so much time into this character and story that you want both a good story but something that is fitting and satisfying.
SS13 does not have this moment, there is no fear of death, no fear of loss. The revolving round and lack of permadeath means a character is never truly threatened, the player knows they will be back to normal in a few hours, as if this round never happened. Even to play like there is a consequence doesn't provide the right feeling because the rest of the server doesn't, the game mechanics don't support it.
One of my favorite moments from a tabletop game was in the middle of a combat that was particularly hard, the party was wounded, out of spells, out of their good consumables and on their last legs. The party barbarian made a deal with a demon to save himself and the party, if he had not done this he would've died, due to how the game mechanics worked as he'd lose enough hit points to instantly die. It was fun to watch the fight unfold with every player rejecting the demon's tempting offer, until at the most dire moment one accepted where the others still refused.
Julian Walker
To reiterate my point again, space station 13 lacks consequences, it lacks consistancy. The revolving door of a round means no actions matter, leading to a community of players that attempt to do everything alone, failure means at worst an inability to play for a few hours. To ask for help is a waste of time. A character can't develop because the cardboard cut outs reset every round, nothing matters and nothing tests their morals. Bay goes too far in an attempt to encourage roleplaying, it removes these tense moments because the players feed admin repercussion for not acting in a certain way.
In short, no server allows for good roleplay, the game itself is fundamentally anti-roleplaying. Not by creation, the game just does not fit a narrative format where roleplaying is best. Not for trying, many people on Veeky Forums have good characters and do good interaction, but the players can't force roleplaying. There needs to be a balance of community and mechanics, the mechanics just need a full overhaul.
Ryan Bailey
What an immature, self-destructive, antiquated mischief is man! How obscure and gross his prancing and chattering on his little stage of evolution! How loathsome and beyond words boring all the thoughts and self-approval of his biological by-product! this half-formed, ill-conditioned body! this erratic, maladjusted mechanism of his soul: on one side the harmonious instincts and balanced responses of the animal, on the other the inflexible purpose of the engine, and between them man, equally alien from the being of Nature and the doing of the machine, the vile becoming!
Mason Scott
Something changed. Somewhere along the line you stopped accelerating.
I've started fucking around with webGL, will make the repo public as soon as I have a server written and actual player interactions in place.
Austin Myers
Just go on vore you pleb
Adam Parker
>arrested for having a body bag with a borg form as roboticist >arrested for dragging a bleeding person away form maint as paramedic >fired for harmbatoning a vampire >warden lets someone that attacked two officers go scot free >sec officer keeps trying to operate on someone they dragged to me and shoving me away as a doctor i make it a point to fuck over sec as hard as possible every shift now on a related note fuck paradise station
Asher Perez
>bird monolouges decision making process on whether or not to rescue captain during cult (Follow) Tayachiya says, "If universe destroyed it kinda bad for Taya too.."
fucking lmao
James Turner
>tfw I left all my kids back at the station aside from Mick I'm sorry...
Julian Williams
most traders are chaotic good, but the best ones are True Neutral
Gavin Carter
>go on vore >no one will eat me wtf?
Elijah Brooks
goodbye vg
Liam Gutierrez
at which point during a cult round can i suicide as sec
Easton Roberts
Everyone on vore wants to be eaten not do the eating. Similar to how 90% of the people on smut sites want to be fucked not do the fucking.
Xavier Reyes
go to medbay and ask them to install advanced lungs you are now antag problem solved
Jeremiah Bailey
>want a comfy captain round of hanging out, doing fun shit and having fun interactions with the crew >"Botanist is a cultist" >Immediately try to think of a reason to suicide/succumb
God I hope this cult rework goes well because at the moment cult is an absolute shit gamemode. It forces sec to immediately go full powergame mode, but it's the only way to stop them. Anything less and they will reach Nar-Sie within five minutes.
Parker Flores
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Parker Turner
Vox are objetively ugly
Elijah King
That's just a green human with a bird face
Xavier Rivera
How do you feel about TGfugee saboteurs, Veeky Forums?
David Johnson
If you had proposed a mass suicide in front of the bridge I don't think anyone would have not gone for it Admins, would this get the cap in trouble?
Aiden Jones
Why not make something people would actually appreciate, like robo-ears that can listen to Jukebox or Sound System without needing to be in the room.
Tyler Martinez
its a starbound bird dumbass
Henry Walker
How long does a mommi have to wait before fixing a breach caused by an antag?
John Roberts
>Wonder what the clown has been listening to all shift >Put his ears on after sawing them off > youtube.com/watch?v=-lfiTebewnc
Joseph Roberts
i can't even handle kitty ears because im a sperg you are shit and your fetish is shit
Jaxon Moore
It's a green human with a bird face
Luis Lopez
The correct way to play mommi involves never considering that anything was caused by anything other than random events. You fix a meteor hole, you fix a bomb hole.
Julian Peterson
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Jaxson Flores
I mean honestly I'd be kind of okay with cat ears if we had to saw them off a catbeasted player, but that's the only way I would want any player to get cat ear headgear.
Julian Moore
>WAAH THIS IS THE LAST THREAD EVER I'M NEVER COMING BACK >posts his dumbass copypasta the same next thread
Joseph Carter
Fix it immediately. Ive seen mommis repair perma as soon as someone was breaking out. Whos gonna stop you?
Grayson Watson
Best to wait until they leave the area, as much fun as I've had fixing things within view of nuke ops.
Adam Cooper
@193542768 >eve and FFXIV player back to your containment discord
user you really don't want to open up that door for me to post years old XIV screenshots here. Just ignore it.
Brandon Harris
literally what the fuck are you talking about loser
Logan Collins
Hello sawbones! How was your day?
Thomas Johnson
literally what the fuck are you talking about loser x2
Ian Clark
Now kiss!
Mwah! *kisses you both on the lips*
Hunter Cox
how the fuck am I going to kiss them if you keep kissing me first jesus
Nicholas Cox
>wanting to kiss them Ha gay
Jackson Thomas
Thank you for blowing the borgs Bawka
Sebastian Campbell
The nice thing is he blew all the borgs and then someone just made a fourth one without bothering to check why they were blown. So it still had a loyal borg.
Eli Perry
we need less stupid meme robot rounds and more fun shit like vampires
Colton Taylor
>clown wants to be freed from perma >break into vox outpost for disguise and jetpack >clown is probably not in perma when I get there >get sidetracked by AI being obvious about being evil
I just wanted to #freeclown
Lenny asked me to try getting a unslaved borg
Also I was freaked when I saw the third borg, but I guess it wasn't an autoborg rush
David Lee
The best part is that the clown wasn't even in perma He was in a cell with a 5 minute timer
Oliver Hernandez
I was one of the original borgs. We simply spawned in like that. I think it made everyone suspecious from the start. Maybe an attempt to placate the guy whining about round start cyborgs earlier, although his complaint was being unable to inhabit empty borgs that were never taken, not their being too few What I don't get is how exactly we won. We spent so long sitting on our asses doing nothing everything needed to stop us was already made, we got blown and then the AI just went ''lol self-destruct'' and won. Can AI really just do that or did I miss something? Seems pointless doing anything if AI can just win like that.
Thomas Jenkins
>did I miss something Yeah, it was a human victory. No boom.
Camden Thompson
Ah I thought it said the AI and one Cyborg won in the end. That's good. Must have been ''survived'' not ''won''.
Juan Lopez
The AI can win without popping nouk, you know.
Christian Nguyen
That's true but it's beside the point.
Hudson Wood
Why can't you late join as mommi?
Juan Mitchell
AI died, a borg was made and in the process of being unslaved to go kill the AI when the round end screen popped up
Dylan Gomez
You can as a derelict MoMMI. Otherwise, the same reason you can't join late as a borg, because noone built one.
Mason Williams
It's the price of having the most powerful MoMMI/drones that can't be shut down remotely. Or more like nobody's coded the late join job controller to work with silicons.
Matthew Campbell
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Jack Cruz
>2561 >walk into bar >battle of lil slugger starts playing
Matthew Brooks
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Lucas Diaz
this has nothing to do with spessmans on a spess station stop
Joseph Jones
There is no higher value than wanting newfags to leave
Logan Hill
>tfw no supportive poem waifu who goes into maintenance whenever you get her excited
Christian Harris
kill all amine posters husbando posting is the true american pastime
Wyatt King
>Being a FAGGOT
James Ortiz
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
Blake Cox
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Hudson Taylor
Which newfags?
Adam Richardson
>he thinks anime guro is gross >he thinks it will make people leave lol. its too cartooney to be gross.
Isaiah Perry
>5 people at once start playing instruments on the shuttle >The atmos tech is playing Through the fire and flames on a fucking glockenspiel >Miner playing third impact on a xylophone >All sounds start breaking apart >Even the smelelele is delayed by a few seconds
Thanks byond
Isaiah Jackson
>Loli sex makes people sperg out >Loli guro doesn't Really mushes your brains.
Matthew Thompson
>Electrocute all the doors at end of shuttle during valid time >Admin spawns in super Jukeboxes blocking them all anyways Foiled again
Jacob Taylor
>mods delete my one line shitpost in minutes >leave this up hmmmmmm
Christopher Price
>TG refugees in the coding Discord talking about how much code they're going to rewrite and how they're going to add roundstart cat ear organs Why the fuck don't we have the panic bunker up?
Anthony Lopez
Anime anything is too cartooney to take seriously. Its literally chinese cartoons.
Jordan Bailey
>we need more extended
Cooper Sanders
Yes :)
Robert Bailey
Extended>Malf Malf is about as exciting for Security as going to the dry cleaners
At least on Extended I can battle Greytide
Jayden Sullivan
>be sec officer >make off hand comment that I would kill Hitler if I got the chance >Hitler actually shows up >arrest him and spend the rest of the round annoying him with my judaism in the brig
10/10
Benjamin Bell
The hardest glockenspiel known to man
Juan King
>roll for AI, didn't realize I hadn't saved captain to off >spawn is as captain >shid >take a while to write out a nice announcement >squidmoko spawns like 50 cyborg action figures in my office because "BULLY VALK" >spend 10 minutes playing with mecha figures on the table on my own >hear a traitor was caught >go up to brig to interrogate and have a conversation >ask just what makes man turn to the syndicate >their answer can basically be summarized with the song pumped up kicks >fuck it, take their PDA, change their ID to assistant, give them a sentence and then let them free because their only crime was being a traitor >go back to office >WELCOME TO THE SYNDICATE >oh >space clown corpse before it could be cloned because fuck clowns >hear about virology crisis >visit viro and offer to help >shitterpen her and space her >geneticist screaming for help in surgery because his limbs fell off >go in and reassure him I can help, get him to sleep >decapitate >walk out, eating his meat >"Where's the geneticist?" asks the miner >"Gave him a cat leg and he scampered off" I reply, eating the other slab of geneticist meat >"Oh okay" >tell them to make their way to the shuttle and let me deal with the other patient >"Oh thanks cap, appreciate it!" >eat their brain >chill in shuttle cockpit >meet the traitor from earlier in a mecha >talk a little >gun it down and baton them to death >survived Good round.
Ian Taylor
guess you didn't actually kill hitler, did you?
Evan Ramirez
As someone who worked at a dry cleaners I'm offended as I always tried to make the errand as enjoyable and exciting as I could for the customers
Levi Sanchez
Besides being an Enemy of the Corporation, Ben was guilty of Breaking and Entry Into a Restricted Area, (Emagging into the Secpoint), Theft (Emagging and stealing the Seclocker), and Assault on an Officer (Trying to Tase the Detective with the Seclocker taser with hostile intent.) The last one is especially relevant, as if the Detective had a lethal firearm, he would've had authorization to kill Ben in retaliation, as he had identified Ben as being the Emagger. I listed these crimes to you when you asked, so when you overruled me, I just figured you were a Traitor and waited for you to go loud. -T. HoS
Evan Reed
I wasn't actually an antag at that point, I just wanted to give the guy a second chance. Far too many people jump on the very first opportunity to get someone killed on this server, so I figured we should give the guy a second chance with his traitor gear taken away, and from what I saw he was a good enough egg to not get himself arrested again after being released.
Sebastian Nelson
>>fuck it, take their PDA, change their ID to assistant, give them a sentence and then let them free because their only crime was being a traitor What a terrible captain. I know for a fact he did more than this. Job ban when?
Jose Edwards
why the fuck would you let him go without even any implants you shitter
Xavier Howard
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Zachary Jones
Well I know they did other stuff, it's just that they didn't do anything extreme. They assaulted an officer, that's as bad as it got, which compared to bombings and plasmafloods is really very little.
I left the HoS to handle the rest of the procedure, I wasn't going to micromanage his entire organization.
Leo Bell
>Reprobates
Alexander Parker
Pomf knows whats up I tried going to church for mass last christmas, it sucked.
Parker Long
No one is forcing you to stay.
Jack Morris
That lowpop round last night >Join 10 min late as QM >Order some basic shit, only 5 people on the station >Robotics promises to hook me up but never gets back to me >Power keeps going out >Just as in gearing up to wire the solars the mechanic restores power >Decide to renovate the ghetto bar while Miner bro does his thing >Drone almost kills me >Janiborg saves me >Chemist is only medbay staff, fixes me up >Someone poisoned the chef's food >Finish making my medbay themed bar >Carp bust open the windows and almost kill the HoS as we're putting the first drink >As in repairing the damage my legs stop working >Medbay discovers virus >I'm stuck in a wheelchair >Minerbro comforts me and helps me rebuild >Suddenly someone in medbay explodes >Fucking gibbingtons >I go to the bar and drink gin with the clown >Suddenly I can walk for some reason >Drink clown calls the wheelchair "Steve" >Rides off into maintenance yelling "onwards, Steve!!" >I had to log off and go to sleep at this point Man that round was just getting good. What happened after? Did the virus get cured? Who were the antags?
Kevin Lee
I'm sure you know this, but it's impossible to rehabilitate Traitors. They're free to Roleplay rehabilitation if they want, but it's entirely optional and never reliable. The reason why I never do this is because if I release/parole a Traitor who didn't hurt anyone, I am 100% responsible for any harm that Traitor does while released. So it would be irresponsible of me to do that as a member of Security or Command.
A taser in the hands of a Traitor should be assumed to be used with hostile intent. In addition, what do we think Ben was going to do with the Seclocker that he had emagged open? Unlike stealing a (mostly) roleplay item like a rubber stamp, the items in a sec locker are potent for abducting others and evading Security, which is exactly what Ben attempted to do when approached by the Detective.
Luke Martin
>Losing your eternal soul because you don't like Mass Shit man how do you fuck up that bad
>inb4 but god isn't real Eucharist Miracles Shroud of I forgot the whole name Incorruptible bodies of the saints
Jeremiah Murphy
God doesn't care
Daniel Garcia
I think xenos should be true neutral, they're just animals with a parasitic life cycle
and maybe mechanics should go in chaotic? they're the first to print emags for the crew if they roll traitor
Elijah Rogers
Can't be worse than hell, can it?
Matthew Edwards
Oh I was that Clown. I adopted a Farwa also called Steve and a borg tried to kill it out of sheer boredom so I took over your bar. Like 2 mins into laying around in your bar a drone busted it down. Shortly after that I killed myself because someone stole Steve and the drone killed Steve and I think two terminators were admin bussed in to have a fight and then blue space killed us all? Something like that. Was a fun round. The ghetto bar was an absolute death trap that entire round.
