Why and when did orthodoxy was created? Why didn't Byzantium stayed Roman-Catholic, as per tradition?

Why and when did orthodoxy was created? Why didn't Byzantium stayed Roman-Catholic, as per tradition?

this is off topic, but where the Byzantines considered white people or people of color?

Reaction to corrupt political plactices in Constantinople, mostly government-enforced iconoclasm

satan wanted to trap the people so disgusted by the evil roman church that he created another church, slightly less evil

>orthodox christianity
Also known as the poor, undeveloped half of Europe.

Because what it meant to be catholic changed.

>western degenerate makes new fake religion
>has the gall to claim it is they who follow tradition

The exact same reason why protestants appeared - people got gradually fed up with catholics fucking their sons and pretending to be gods on Earth, all while jewing their out of money, so they created a version of christianity that doesn't have centralized authority and encouraged people to be virtuous on their own

They were considered Greeks.

They considered themselves Romans, it's the west that called them Greeks, as a slur

Because the patriarch of Rome wanted to be above other patriarchs and splintered off due to politics.

Some one said it already but the arch bishop of Rome spilt off from the rest of the church

were they genetically greek or roman?

Well culturally greek, but politically, they where a continuation of the Roman state, and that is in part why they didnt bow their heads to the Pope in Rome, because they viewed christian hierarchy a little diffrently

were the genetically greek though?

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I'd say culturally Hellenistic.
Hellenism was a hybridization of Greek, Egyptian and Persian cultures.
It was already being spread in Rome, especially during the late empire period.
They just reverted back to Hellenism, now with some Roman elements.
Or if we go by what my Roman law prof said: "Rome had no culture of it's own, it only took from other cultures and made it theirs, what is considered Roman culture is a mishmash of Etruscan, Greek and Latin culture, the only thing the Romans produced were distinct laws and government. "

So in short, it was closer to Greek, but still similar to late Roman culture (but then they gave up on Latin in 620 and made Greek the official language).

They were genetically roman due to all those roman colonists. In the time of the roman republic, Greek birthrates were significantly lower than roman birth rates. By 88 b.c. there were enough romans in Asia Minor that mithridate IV could kill 100,000 of them in the infamous Asiatic Vespers.

Greek is a derogatory term (alongside "Byzantium") created by scholars in the 18th-19th century, they considered themselves Romans and/or Hellenes (as they call themselves today)

Around the Iconoclast controversy at a time when the Arab conquests flooded Anatolia with Greek refugees and cut off Constantinople from administration over other eastern churches. Among other institutions this Hellenized the church and its affairs began focusing on Greek religion. Similarly Catholicism became restricted to the Latin West and followed its own path.

so where the Byzantines majority white?

Being "white" is an American meme.
Yes, they were white, they were mediterraneans. Slightly darker, but still white, by all non Veeky Forums definitions.
Whiteness meant nothing back then.
In Rome all that mattered was being a citizen of Rome and gaining social status, and race doesn't necessarily hinder one in that regard.

The Byzantine Empire was massively more wealthy than Western Europe up until the 12th-13th centuries.

Mainly because of the Donation of Constantine coupled with the Filioque, neither of which was per tradition.

Because they werent gonna let some faggy bishop in the former capital have more influence than the Emperor. If you are a believer you go catholic and if you are a Roman/Byzantine fanboy you go orthodox. Its pretty simple.

What about protestants?

>Hellenism was a hybridization of Greek, Egyptian and Persian cultures.
NO

What about them? That happened hundreds of years later.

>Why didn't Byzantium stayed Roman-Catholic, as per tradition?
First of all, they can't be "Roman"-Catholic, since they never belonged to the roman rite.
And if we are to take the joint cathorodox declaration signed a month and some ago, they never believed that understanding of papacy to begin with.

because they're cismatics/heretics

Romans were multicultural

Hey guys.
I am trying to decide between Orthodoxy and the Lutheranism (Missouri-Synod).

What advice do you guys have for me?

Uh buddy, it was the other way around. The bishop of Rome created Catholicism.

Well first of all Roman-Catholicism and Orthodoxy were for centuries one and the same unified Roman Christianity. The bishop of Rome was appointed by Byzantine approval from Justinian's conquest of Italy until the mid 700s and they all considered themselves the Orthodox version of Christianity. The split can be attributed mainly to political reasons and minor theological hair splitting getting magnified way the fuck out of hand (then again early Christian theological disputes were absolute fucking autism, especially the Monophysite/Nestorian trainwrecks). The first signs of the split were as a result of the loss of Byzantine control of Italy. With the Byzantines unable to protect the Papacy from the encroaching Lombards you had them go begging the Franks for protection which eventually winds up having the Pope crown Charlemagne as HRE, which as you can imagine the Byzantine Emperors were mad as fuck about. Combined with the loss of the Patriarchies of Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem to the Muslims you had theological debates turning into a binary shit flinging contest between the Papacy and the Patriarch of Constantinople.

Keep in mind that for the Byzantines the Church was integrated into the state and importantly the Emperor was head of the Church (above the patriarchs). So you had a situation where the Popes were formulating the idea that because they proclaim something to be doctrinally sound then it was, while the Byzantines proclaimed that doctrine could only be changed through collective agreement -which in practice would probably mean Byzantine control. So OP in truth in the early years of the Schism there was still a decent possibility of reconciliation, but the Fourth Crusade pretty much buried that ever getting popular support.

The Filioque dispute was actually a lot more substantial than all the autism concerning nature.

When you strip away the question over the relationship between the members or the trinity the debate was essentially a debate over the power of the Papacy. What it boiled down to was that the Popes believed it to be the correct doctrine because they proclaimed it as such (part of the general formation of the idea of Papal primacy) while the Byzantine Empires/Ecumenical Patriarch claimed the doctrine could only be declared correct by the ruling of a general Church Council. It's the same kind of problem that had been resolved at previous councils, except now there were only 2 patriarchs left standing to be the judges on doctrine instead of the more consensus based 5.

Orthodoxy for the swag.

Well, the Pope's power was the argument used to justify it, but it originally had nothing to do with that. The controversy was started when some Eastern monks in Jerusalem heard Latin monks using the Filioque and they flipped out. The Pope at the time, in fact, strongly opposed the addition of the Filioque to the Creed, even after the See of Rome started embracing the theology of the Filioque. There are transcripts (printed in translation in "Photius and the Carolingians: The Trinitarian Controversy") of Pope Leo III's conversation with the Carolingian envoy from Charlemagne trying to convince him to accept the change. He starts by saying it's okay for them to sing it, but that he wasn't going to officially add it, but by the end he grows so irritated with their persistence that he forbids them even to sing it that way (despite still subscribing to the theology, albeit not in the way the Filioque was to be intended, with the Son and the Father one origin of the Spirit). The Pope said, on justifying his opposition to altering the Creed, "I shall not say that I prefer myself to the Fathers. And far be it from me to count myself their equal." Pope Leo III later went on to have the original Creed, without the Filioque, inscribed on two silver tablets in Rome, to ensure it would never be changed. These remained the official Vatican standard until Pope Benedict VIII changed it under pressure from Henry II of Germany. The West then justified this by saying the Pope had the authority, but the Filioque was already a serious controversy long before then

>believer

Who can unironically believe in Catholicism these days who wasn't born in it?

Probably neither.

Joining a church is pointless. Why do you want to hang out with a bunch of ned flanders?

*tips*

Orthodoxy for your soul and for the Aesthetic.

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>fucking their sons
>church officials were made up children from power families, most of whom didn't really care for being chaste and had children
>>>>>>>fucking their sons
Martin Loser fag detected