Germany was the strongest power in the entire world in WWI and WWII

>It was so dire that the UK gave up most of it colonies so that the US would enter

catergorically false, firstly because the UK made no territorial concessions as a result of ww1 and second because the situation in ww1 was never so dire after the battle of the marne that a german victory was likely, merely that a german defeat was hard to achieve.

as it stands the US entry to ww1 was late, of marginal military value, and not essential to eventual victory, serving merely to move the timetable from spring/summer 1919 to autumn 1918

Wew lad, factoring in the millions of forcefully starved soviet POWs by the germans as combat casualties, not factoring in the millions of volksturm combat casualties, and counting the millions of genocided chink peasants as combat casualties.

Where's that wehrboo bingo sheet? I need to tick off a few boxes

Oh yes, let's all celebrate the idea that germans were so powerful and ignore that they were literally the only ones who were gearing up to war despite everyone else around them enjoying peace and prosperity like civilized humans

Remember, if anyone questions your severely crippling wehrboo autism, just make sure to yell
>MUH K/D

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>WWI would be a win for us if the USA would stay at home.
how exactly would ww1 be a win for germany, seeing the absolutely shambolic state of the german homefront with virtually no resources and no manpower and the abject failure of the spring offensives (i think it is safe to assume that without the allies would have held out even without the four american divisions taking part)

>WWII would be a win for us if the USA would not send this gigantic lend lease act to russia
how exactly would ww2 be a win for germany seeing as germany was unable to achieve its goals during barbarossa, that is before any american lend lease reached the frontlines, and lost at stalingrad, that is with only a fraction of lend lease reaching the soviet ports

Wow, capturing 4 in just one go? Damn

>that without *the americans* the allies

also germany must be pretty bad at war if they can lose even while killing more enemy dudes haha

I not saying it was USRR, but it was USRR

How were Austria-Hungary and the Ottomans preforming towards the end of the war? Were they holding out or just spiralling into collapse

They weren't strong in WW1, they lost the moment that the French stopped their advance and forced them into trench warfare, they simply couldn't win a war of attrition with fewer numbers and supplies.

They had a better kill to death ratio because the British and French high command thought that they could use their superior numbers to force the Germans to fuck off back home with huge wave attacks. They didn't count on defensive tactics being far superior to outdated attacking tactics.

WW2 was basically the same expect the Germans were far more successful because they essentially used the same tactics as they did in WW1 but with more efficiency AND they were allowed to get away with a lot due to the fact that nobody wanted another war.

If Britain and France told Hitler to fuck off earlier and actually committed to keeping him under control then they'd have never been able to leave Germany, nevermind invade anyone.

tl;dr They weren't the strongest in either war, if they were the they would have fucking won. They were just very efficient.

Nigga both were spiralling into collapse before the war even started, Astro-Hungary has always been a mistake, and the Ottomans lost the middle east after the war.

russia skewed the statistics

German army of WW1 was strongest army of the world. But 30% and 51% of world military power is big difference. Terrible diplomacy brought to fail. Germany was exhasusted in begining of 1917. It would be crushed in 1917 without Russian revolution or in same 1918 without American involvement.
Relative power of German army of WW-2 was much fewer than during WW-1. The only chance was help of USA. But anti-jewish histery and attack of USSR ruined international reputation and blocked this possibility.

Austria-Hungary was worse than Russia.

>Germany was the strongest power in the entire world in WWI and WWII
>strongest power
What does that even mean?
Strongest in what regard?

>K/D

I don't understand why this meme gets applied to various wars

All it proves is you're slightly better at losing than the winners are at winning

So... Why Germany was so bad at diplomacy? I remember them being competent under Bismark.

Bismark was the first, and as far as we know the last, German to not have autism.

Britain and Germany had some cooperation before WW1 - Iraq (Baghdad railway), Turkey (common revolution). Brits could probably promise weak participation such as "strange war" during WW2 after agression against Poland. Germany was capable to defeat France+Russia.

>Germany was the strongest power in the entire world in WWI
Yep
The British Empire LARPed as a superpower but was really a joke

>and WWII....
Meh
Tie with the USSR and the US

>WWI would be a win for us if the USA would stay at home.
Doubtful
Germany was exhausted and would've surrendered by 1919 anyway

>WWII would be a win for us if the USA would not send this gigantic lend lease act to russia
Maybe

Germans are bad warriors. That is it nigga.

God those anti-facist assholes are such cunts.

>gerMANY
>not many left after the soviets were done with them

What did they mean by this?

>Germany was the strongest
Yes, that because their enemies made an alliences.
Who gives a fuck how strong are you, if you can't win against your enemies

>implying anyone cares about russia and china

>anarchism
why don't they move to somalia if they want a lawless area to live in

>few ressources
Germany simply ran out of fuel, rubber and the metals needed to strengthen steel

>Germany position in both wars:
>Landlocked, blockaded
>Two front war
>Germany has no great mountain range or sea to protect its people from westward and eastward invasions
>Far less people than their opponents
>Far less industry than their opponents
>Diplomacy game that is absolute shit
>Gets thrashed twice
:3

Austria was a straight up embarrassment but the Ottomans were holding on all things considering. They did lose some territory in the middle east which was expected but they held off the allied invasion in Gallipoli and a Russian invasion from the east. They only "surrendered" after the Germans did because without them they simply didn't have a chance but even then unlike Germany, Austria and Hungary who got decimated by the allied treaties the Ottomans continued to fight until 1923 where they managed to get a much more favorable treaty.

Otherwise they would have ended being trianoned.

Britain is
>get pushed back on their shitty island
>cry for big daddy USA to help them
>even though they win the war they loose most of their colonies and influence
>get enslaved under an union ruled by germany

>It was so dire that the UK gave up most of it colonies so that the US would enter.

what are you smoking son

they are good warriors, but exceptionally bad adaptive tacticians.

>Britain is get pushed back on their shitty island
Gibraltar was always British and Spain REFUSED to admit German army to crush it. So Germany wasnt dominant power even in continent.

It works like this:
You have a craft. Germans highly develop it(state of the art), and focus on using it.
Meanwhile, allies realise they are getting completely assraped in those crafts/fields, so they come up with a new field that adds a new dimension to the war, while germans still stay using the highly developed old craft versus mid tier developed craft in addition with crudely developed new craft.
It gives allies the edge.