So, as muskets were useless weapons...

So, as muskets were useless weapons, what then led to the dropping of noble blade based armies and the generalization of gay wigs and Cuck Armies?

Is there any other coherent explanation besides and sudden rise in faggotry and goyimism?

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>Muskets were useless weapons
Not even a bare hook is as bad a bait such as this.

But they said that, even in the best case scenario, the chances of actually hitting someone were less than 20%.

Doesn't it make it the most fucking useless weapon ever?

No. That was just because most of those muskets were mass produced to meet ridiculous demand, and also because many armies of the 18th century favored drill and mobilization over individual marksmanship.

The blade was never dropped, as the musket mostly replaced things like arrows and bolts, and once the bayonet came into its own, the spear. The sword continued strong.

>But they said that, even in the best case scenario, the chances of actually hitting someone were less than 20%.
On a modern battlefield, the chances of a bullet hitting someone are about 1 in 200,000.

One day, some nerd on a Martian windsurfing forum is going to post a thread saying that assault rifles were useless weapons.

Europe conquered the globe with their "useless" muskets.

Think of it this way. If muskets were useless and only adopted because of a sudden rise of European faggotry, why did literally every single martial tradition on Earth that encountered them end up adopting them en mass, if they weren't wiped out by those who already had them?

It was a logistic and training issue that made European Napoleonic muskets """""useless""""" due to problems with accuracy. There were other muskets that were very accurate, even without rifling, like the jezail.

The Apache, the Cossacks, the Janissaries, the Zulu, and the Samurai all used muskets if they could. They didn't drop swords and knives of course, but neither did European armies.

And the chances of hitting someone with an arrow in battle were about 1%, and even less when you wanted to penetrate their armor and kill them.

Furthermore, a big reason why the muskets of the line battle era were so inaccurate was because most musket fire was at the extreme range of the weapons, since you know, you have the other side with their muskets shooting back.

When you got much closer, say you were trying to do a bayonet charge and they didn't break, instead firing a volley at point blank range, they were much more accurate and deadly.

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>In 1813 at Gohrde, 66 French infantrymen fired at 60-80 paces at Germans hiting 27 Hannoverians and Bremen-Verden (40 % hits). In this case the count is only for one volley at close range.

That's definitely reaching with the equivalency, but OP is clearly a faggot.

this is now a line infantry thread.
OP GET OUT

>They didn't drop swords and knives of course, but neither did European armies.

They did. It was all line infantry Cuck Armies fighting similar line infantry Cuck Armies.

Extra European civs used muskets too but only as an extra auxiliary unit. Blades were still the primary weapons, be it japanese samurais or zulu warriors.

Amd that's why the Cuck Armies conquered zero, niente, nada, rien outside of the european war until proper rifles finally happened.

Were your mother and father brother and sister?

>But they said that, even in the best case scenario, the chances of actually hitting someone were less than 20%.
Yeah, but I have 200 men in the front line firing at a giant ass formation. Do the math, you have a pretty good chance at hitting a whole lot of people.

>Boy it sure is funny to make the same stupid fucking thread every other day while changing up the wording (making sure I keep the /pol/-tier terminology, of course)
>Cucks, am I right?

He's a faggot shill. I'd call him a troll if it were not transparently obvious that he's spouting cuck and faggot as some kind of anti-/pol/ shit.

>They did. It was all line infantry Cuck Armies fighting similar line infantry Cuck Armies.
And before that it was all spearmen fighting similar lines of spearmen, who sometimes also fought with swords and knives when things got hectic.

Uh, no.

Were your mom and dad into Cuck Army collectible wax figurines and got you from amaxon as first delivery packge?

Have you ever heard of places like India? Or South America? Or the Congo? Or the Philipines?

>Cuck Armies
Oh boy, this thread again.

I'd thought so too.

But from previous debating experience, expert supporters of whole cuckoldry thing still said that no, your not gonna hit a damn thing beyond that 20% at very best.

So go argue with them.

Yeah and they were all conquered either long before or after the Cuck Age.

Go read a history book fgt

Legit question: back when bayonet charges were still common, why didn't they load muskets with shot? Surely that would have been devastating at those ranges.

A lot of muskets then weren't precisely machined, and a musket ball was liable to just roll out if you weren't careful. Plus you generally had to pour some powder in the firing mechanism depending on the type of gun you had so that would have easily been lost.

By the time more advanced firing mechanisms and cartridges made it easier to charge with a loaded gun and reliably fire in the middle of it to consider making it some kind of official tactic, guns had also improved to the point where they didn't require such close range to be devastating anyway.

Serious followup question, if that's true, then why was the German response to the Allied use of shotguns so negative? Was it just butthurt?

It was just butthurt and calculated PR stunts as both sides made threats and proclamations to keep the other humiliated or in check.

I'm with you OP. Why didn't they just get a bunch of skirmishers and shoot at the cucks from a concealed position in like a forest or something?

Oda Nobunaga used and popularized guns to great effect during the Sengoku period in japan. At Nagashino Oda BTFOd the famous Takeda cavalry with firearms.

>nippland ponies
>famous
shogun 2 players go and stay go.

But that was not cuck-of-the-line infantry. Fireweapons preceeded all this cuckery but they were auxiliary as in combined arms, never exclusive.

Well.I tried to make a case for that but Cuck Army expert fanbois concluded that no one would be hitting anyone anyway besides a very few ones getting shot here and there because le confusion, le smoke and le shitty musket. Except dragonfags apparently. Dragonfags would be hitting everyone and killing everyone in the dense forest.

Or so they said.

So as a result I'm putting the whole cuckold and the musket on trial here, in the face of History.

one musket ain't a didly

a wall of thousands muskets, that a lot of didling


ya dig ?

>Cuck Armies conquered zero, niente, nada, rien outside of the european war