It's 1919. You are in charge of the Treaty of Versailles

It's 1919. You are in charge of the Treaty of Versailles.

You need to prevent Germany from chimping out in the future, yet you also need them strong enough to trade with and act as a counter to the U.S.S.R. (and France).

What do you do?

give them france

I let them keep all their damn land and don't impose outrageous reparations. No retard inflation to genocide them all, let them keep their army.

I guess do nothing or completely dismantel the country

so nothing, ok

>You need to prevent Germany from chimping out in the future
Dismantle them
Only way

>yet you also need them strong enough to trade with and act as a counter to the U.S.S.R. (and France).
The USSR barely exist yet, and if I'm in charge of Versailles I'm most likely French since France was the most important allied victor

Alsac lotharingen is split in the middle half going to france and half going to niemcy

Germany retains koenigsburg and memel as well as any land on the baltic sea with 80% or more ethnic germans, the rest of old prussia goes to poland

Recognize it was them getting caught in a clusterfuck and create a british style constitutional monarchy with nicky as a powerless figurehead

Force them to pay reperations equal to only 10% of their total income for 5 years and promise those funds will be used to increase infrastructure between nations to ensure a warless and economic minded future, then give subsidies to investments going into and out of germany

Force some bonaparte to marry into nickys family as a sign of unity and strength for a war free future

Sanction the everliving fuck out of Yugoslavia and give greece constantinople after making greece a puppet of the british empire de facto

Make turkey a mandate and split it between european powers with the figurative heads being germany, georgia and armenia so you can surround russia with puppets and buffers while controlling black sea trade

Take Mecklemburg and name it a "city of unified european ideals" which is just a front for joing military operations against russia should the time arise

And finally reform german education so they all grow up thinking commies are monkey like subhumans and emphasize a Frankish Germanic identity between all civilized european nations

I like this.

Now do trianon.

How does any of that prevent the eternal kraut from chimping out due to WW1 butthurtness?

Recognize that thr Hungarians and all other ethnic minorities where under Habsburg thumbs and absolve them of wrongdoing

Dismantle austria to the point of no return and let them vote on whether to join germany or stay independant

Take all serbian land away as planned because Yugoslavia is now a tax haven for businessmen ft. Penny labour and they need more slaves

Romanian lands to be given is planned but never done, instead we cite the importance of a hungarian ally and use serbian slave labour to subsidize immigration of romanians to romania

Slovenia does not join Yugoslavia and is a direct american puppet state

Deport all bosnians muslims to turkish mandates

Integrate albania into yugoslavia and emphasize skanderbeg as a legendary hero of yugoslavia, then make an albanian elite to control the slave labour. This will eventally cause a revolution which we wouldnwant anyways to later dismantle yugoslavia

Bulgaria and macedonianare untouched

Austria doesnt get its chunk
Czechoslovakia gets its chunk as its part of the Frankish Germanic european identity and then invest in czech businesses, elevate them to a primary ally and Hoxha bunkers in slovakia

Moldavia becomes a buffer state and british puppet so we can later steal ukraine if we want to

Versailles practically was the basis of the, "chimping out."

This.

Partition the country, disarm the populace and employ concentrated cultural assimilation.

Go for a Grossdeutsche Lösung at long last. Dissolution of Austria-Hungary, create a country of Greater Germany as a constitutional republic with relatively free rule of each individual state.

> What do you do?

Re-create the HRE.

1. They are already demobilized and disarmed, so whatever I say goes.
2. If I need them to be a counter to the USSR and France, I imagine I am Britain.

With those two in mind, I balkanize Germany into the former smaller german and slavic states that are now forming their country, the same way I do with Austria.
I form confederations under my protection and "guidance" (read: puppet rulers at least initially).
I spread anti-communist propaganda to make sure soviet ideas don't make it outside of their area of power.

Also, since Russia surrendered before Germany, the Baltics, Poland, Ukraine, all of that land is probably mine to decide what to do with as well?
Nation states, alliances, anti-communist propaganda.

By the time the Treaty was finally signed, Germany had gone through many revolutions and turmoils. Keeping Eastern Germany together would only see it fall apart again almost immediately probably at least partly into domestic German Communist hands.
Creating Poland was almost immediately vindicated by the way the new state fought the revolutionary Red Army to a standstill. Yes, Poland won a war against the USSR as soon as it was created.
Also there was no anti-USSR politics in the west still, the allies were supporting the whites and hoping an allied Russia can continue to exist.

This meme again. Germany would rise 5 years earlier than it did IRL and would use USSR/UK antagonism to replay WW1, this time one front at a time, just like they did IRL, only with much more resources to do so.

Germans were ready to war in 1939 not because they were "humiliated" in 1919, but because they weren't humiliated enough - were was no strategical bombings, no warfare in Germany itself, German cities weren't destroyed and German women weren't brutally raped. It took another World War to teach them the price of war. If anything, post-WW2 settlements was 10x more harsh and humiliating for Germany, yet there is no popular revizionist movements even 70 years latter. They should have done it in the first place.

I don't think it's possible OP. The Treaty was done with literally that goal in mind - prevent them from chimping out, but still have them strong enough economically because, y'know, it's still the biggest player on the continent and global trade is not isolationist.

The problem with reparations wasn't that they were high, Germany coulda paid them fairly easily, they just didn't want to. They had already been starting to proto-chimp-out again basically. They even tanked their economy to get back at the allies.

But if you don't demand reparations and concessions, aren't you just encouraging yet another chimp out either? Because now they don't get to pay even the tiny portion they had historically?

Or do you really prevent a chimpanzee boogaloo if you don't go for any territorial changes but keep the reparations? Wouldn't that just change the rhetoric? "Sure the allies didn't want ABC, but they made us do XYZ!" It's a wicked closed loop I'm afraid.

Germany becomes 1000s of duchies and independent imperial cities. Make Germany great again.

Germans were told that their army was never defeated, that the war was lost because of food shortage, that they fought honorably against greater forces and won.
So understandably the people thought the punishment was too harsh and wanted a rematch.

The soviets made sure this feeling didn't exist when they marched on Berlin. The warrior was fucked out of Germany and now they are pacifists. Good.

I think if the whole stabbed in the back myth was still in their minds, having the blame of the whole war would have upset Germans more than if the peace deal was less harsh on Germany

I would have let the Rhineland stay German, that in itself would have lessened the humiliation, also I would have told the French leader to calm his tits, he can have German Asian and African lands and get some reperationa but not the huge amount he asked for

Also ruck Wilson, Poland can be free they were useful against the Reds but other parts of German Europe should have stayed 'German', if they want independence they can fight for it

Keep the Treaty of Versailles more or less the same, but eliminate the 3 "psycological" paragraphs: the one about the war guilt, not including Germany in the League of Nations, and judging the war criminals outside of Germany. These parts of the Treaty and the Dolchstosslegende were the main arguments used to keep the hate against inner and outer "enemies".

How exactly do you prevent history from repeating itself then?

You have done nothing to eliminate the stab in the back myth.

You have done nothing to prevent the Great Depression.

You have done nothing regarding territorial issues.

Basically, you have done almost nothing with regard to the factors that helped Nazi gain power.

Give northern Germany to the Netherlands, the west bank of the Rhine to Luxembourg, and the south and Austria to Liechtenstein.

So how would one effectively split Germany? With Nationalism implanted in the narrow-minded German brain, I would Imagine that if it was split into a bunch of smaller states they would just blanda up and form Germany again. If Germany was split between other countries like France, Netherlands, Poland, and Austria than a lot of civil strife would ensue from germans not wanting to be "oppressed" by what ever country they're apart of.

You choose one of the 2 options
1) dismantle Germany as a whole, partition the country to nearby countries, mainly the newly created Czechoslovakia and Poland.
2) leave them untouched except for A-L, and the Polish populated old Prussia.

Into Catholic south-western part (Kingdom of Bavaria) and Protestant North-Eastern (Kingdom of Prussia), then watch them fight each other for centuries.

Do the exact same thing as irl but give them Austria this time. Also keep the fucking kaiser as a powerless symbol of national unity.

So you want to create Ireland 2.0?

>The warrior was fucked out of Germany and now they are pacifists
They are just want the best moment.

Is more like germany beta edition.

The question was how to improve the Trety of Versailles. The "unfair" Treaty was obviously just one of multiple factors that helped the Nazis gain power.

>Sanction the everliving fuck out of Yugoslavia and give greece constantinople after making greece a puppet of the british empire de facto
i dont think this would work with greeks getting BTFO by Ataturk

And free Poland.

Kill all German men and resettle their land with literally Americans, French, and Polish.

Split Germany into three, a "Westphalia" alone the Rhine, a "Brandenburg" in the East, and an "Allemania" of Bavaria and Austria.

>genoicde to prevent genocide
solid plan, lad

>two replies to one post
>both quads
What are the odds?

Put a puppet german goverment which will be under my controll yet it will appear to be pro-germanistic. That's it. Oh, yes, kill the resistance as well.

>Sanction the everliving fuck out of Yugoslavia and give greece constantinople after making greece a puppet of the british empire de facto

Impossible due to weak Greece.

>Make turkey a mandate and split it between european powers with the figurative heads being germany, georgia and armenia so you can surround russia with puppets and buffers while controlling black sea trade

Ataturk created a communist party so the USSR fags can supply them in their war of resistance. So another push of the western world against the turks would probably mean alliance between Ivan and Mehmet. Not good for the western world.

I would ban soccer, so no 7x1. Thanks Germany

Pic related.

Bad solution: those borders are much too ugly.

Europe needs a strong Germany because nobody else on the continent is capable of building an actual functional state. Just look at Eastern European shitholes - do you really want to trust the European continent to these people who have again and again shown that they are incapable of greatness? Look at the incompetence and poverty of Southern Europe. How could Europe be a bulwark against the threat of Russian barbarism without Germany?

Establish a communist state in Bavaria. Now hear me out, the action of filling Bavaria with the vast majority of German Communists will remove unrest and allow Weimar governments enough stability to get started. Offer to accommodate the old nobility, convincing the population that the aristocrats are in league with you, removing the threat of reactionaries. Remove the Kaiser, launch full suffrage elections and demilitarize the western border. Their forces will then concentrate around communist Bavaria and the Eastern Front. Deport all muslims from the Balkans to eastern Anatolia, bring all greek Christians from Anatolia, any of them that remain, and use them to repopulate Thrace, to be given to Greece. Split the Balkans into many tiny states and sanction any great power intervening in their affairs. Make it clear that violation of the Balkans means immediate war. Hand the remainder of Anatolia to the Georgians and Armenians, with the Megali ideal fulfilled but likely unsustainable. Austria cut into two large protectorate states, containing semi-autonomous Principalities.

Split German Colonies between France and Britain, take 10% of German income over ten years, paid in installments, and force Germany to take on contracts to repair damaged infrastructure in France, for marginal pay, perhaps ingratiating the German poor to the west.

Invite German elites to observe battlefields. Force the rebellious ones to wander through the millions of dead. Then deport them immediately to Bavaria. This Bavarian state will be a shitshow of revolution, all the time.

Yeah, because without these reparations that they never paid anyway, the Great Depression surely wouldnt have happened, right?

>I would have let the Rhineland stay German, that in itself would have lessened the humiliation, also I would have told the French leader to calm his tits

But the Rhineland remained German, retard
What are you spouting?

I establish a socialist state under Karl and Rosa and work with the Bolsheviks to defeat the reactionary scourge and liberate the Balkans

>the one about the war guilt

There's no paragraph about "war guilt"
The paragraph you're refering to claims Germany was responsible for the destruction in France and Belgium, which is true

>france and poland get the most land by far
Hmmm.. really makes u think

Basically just do what the US did to Japan after WWII, without the nukes though.

>Slovenia does not join Yugoslavia and is a direct american puppet state
Brain damaged

Give power to the Jews. Problem solved.

>I would have let the Rhineland stay German, that in itself would have lessened the humiliation, also I would have told the French leader to calm his tits, he can have German Asian and African lands and get some reparations but not the huge amount he asked for

But Rhineland remained german, it was just occupied by the french army and demilitarized.
The french confiscated property and wealth there because the germans weren't paying them the money due for reparations.

Also if France didn't get more out of the war, especially after their allies demand that Germany be left mostly intact, the communists would've most certainly take over there.
USSR-France would start WWII by invading Germany. It would be an even worse war.