Commie countries have to build walls to prevent their citizens from leaving

>not TRUE capitalism

>capital isn't in private hands
>capitalism

The difference being that there are such things as successful capitalist countries in real life.

>Commie countries try to not exploit other countries

What is the Soviet Union to East Germany after WWII

>means of production not in the hands of the workers
>not classless
>not moneyless
>not stateless
>not a global system
>communist
I hope you understand that no country, ever, has been communist. The only way any Marxist Leninist state can be considered communist is that it's leaders claim to be working to reach communism in the future.

>the berlin wall collapses

>all communist countries collapse

sort of like poetry

Okay.

So in other words, capitalism is better than communism, because capitalism isn't impossible to implement.

>Commies not trying to exploit other countries
>what is the Iron Curtain

Also, go back to r/Socialism

>Commie countries try not to exploit other countries

>What is the Eastern Bloc
>What is the Korean War
>What is the Vietnam War

Thanks for providing a counterargument. Unfortunately the iron curtain was a thing.

Capitalist is merely an economic philosophy, while communism is also a political philosophy. There are other factors at play in whether a capitalist country succeeds, whereas a communist country will always fail.

Communism and capitalism are blanket terms.
And I wouldn't say Western Europe is rich just because it's capitalist.

And no country ever will be under those criteria. The "classless" distinction alone precludes it from ever coming close to existing. Wishing for people to be different does not a viable political theory make.

>successful capitalist countries came out of rich successful monarchies
>shitty despotic communist shitholes came out of shitty despotic monarchies
Hmmm

>South Korea was a rich, successful monarchy
>Singapore was a rich, successful monarchy
>Scandinavia was rich at any point before the mid to late 20th century

It's as if Colonialism, especially in the modern times, helped the metropolis to develop their industrial potential and as such gave them an edge !

There is much more to Marxist theories than Communism. His theory of history and his dialectical approach were quite good.

>what is Cuba

And before you go full retard and talk about spain being shitty, their shittiness arose in large part because they refused to embrace the capitalist system being used in Britain and instead kept being mercantilist idiots.

>>Scandinavia was rich at any point before the mid to late 20th century
>He doesn't know about the Swedish copper mines
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Mine

>stopped producing economically significant amounts of copper in the 18th century

If you wanted to be pedantic, you should have gone straight for Viking traders.

>whereas a communist country will always fail.

The Soviet Union was a net improvement over the Russian Empire by a very large margin, and they won the Space Race.

>It produced as much as two thirds of Europe's copper needs[1] and helped fund many of Sweden's wars in the 17th century.
It's false to say that Scandinavia was never powerful.
Their copper and iron industry was also key to their industrial revolution.

>The Soviet Union was a net improvement over the Russian Empire by a very large margin

When will this meme die?

>while communism is also a political philosophy.
Nope, the capitalist+democratic and communist+dictatorial combinations are an accident of history, with the second stemming from the initial soviet attempt.

There's no reason why you couldn't have a democratic+communist country (e.g. constitutionally all parties have to be communist, but outside of this constraint the country functions politically like a regular democracy).

>There's no reason why you couldn't have a democratic+communist country
>he expects civil liberties to survive in a country with no economic development, property rights, or intermediate institutions between citizens and the state

>Alphabetisation
>End of involuntary starvation for voluntary starvation (the state could have very well fed everyone ; it's just that it didn't wanted)
>Won the Space Race
>Won 1 world war (Russian Empire lost one)
>Very large and self-owned industrial sectors as opposed as just a colony whose companies were held by France, England and Germany

Not a fan of the great man theory, but had the Soviet had better luck with leaders, they would have been quite a powerhouse

Which is why we need socialism and not communism tb'h
Preferably of the Democratic/Libertarian kind

So...social democracy?

what do you think class means

But Egypt doesn't really sucks balls.

pretty sure the average life expectancy went way way up. same with PRC

>Capitalist countries gladly exploit other countries for their own gains
This is where I'd argue you're wrong. Commies will argue that capitalism "exploits workers", but if you look at what actually happens, even in poor countries, it just isn't true. Imagine a vietnamese girl working in a shoe factory for 3 dollars a week. You may point to this as a classic example of "exploitation", but it's actually a positive thing for the people who work there. When that girl's only alternatives to the factory are working in a field for 75 cent a week or being a nanny for 50 cents a week, the factory is a great way for her to make money. And remember - nobody is forcing any of them to work in the factory - if any of them wanted to, they could easily take a job elsewhere.

People who argue against these factories and say that they should be closed down don't help the people who live there - they actually hurt them. You get the factory closed down or you demand the minimum wage go up to some number, but then what? The factory leaves the country, leaving the vietnamese with only the lower-paying options, leaving them poorer than before.

Russian Empire didn't even exist anymore by the time of the October Revolution, why people keep confronting the two and forgetting that a liberal, democratic Russian Republic was already being created when the Bolsheviks chimped out?