Quick reminder that the proletariat knows no nations

>all tremble in fear of the mighty Cuban economy

In 2016 proletariat = rich western edgy kids with no jobs.

This, working class votes right as fuck. You need to be from some academical safe space if you are into Marxism.

seems no better or worse than the rest of the Caribbean

it's almost as if those countries will be poor shitholes regardless of which economic system they adopt

really activates those almonds

>meanwhile in Jamaica

Actually, I think it's you who could do with reading some Marx. The proletariat are those who don't own any means of production and thus must survive by selling their labour.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch06.htm

>>implying education is not the main mean of production in todays service and knowledge based economy
It isn't, the richest people in our society are still the bourgeoisie and education in this sense is chiefly used as a means to penetrate the bourgeoisie.

Even before that. Look at all the wars in Europe, the proletariat consistantly side with the bourgeoisie of their nation before they'll side with the proletariat of another nation. Nation is more important than class.

Cherrypicking is THIS easy.

People cling on to nation much more tightly than to class, but this doesn't make it important since at the end of the day nationality is still totally meaningless.

>let me compare the best of Jamaica with the worst of Cuba, that's a good trick!
incidentally Cuba's gdp is 3x Jamaica's keks

>Actually, I think it's you who could do with reading some Marx. The proletariat are those who don't own any means of production and thus must survive by selling their labour.

>Service based economy
>good education is the main mean of production
>and it has been so for a long time

How many of your commie friends do actually work in a factory? Yeah, right!

looks shitty tbqh

Nothing brings people together more than blood and soil nationalism. Nearly every "revolution" was driven by nationalism, it motivated the Vietnamese in the Vietnam war, it motivated East Germany to spontaneously reject their government and East German soldiers not to machine gun protestors, it is motivating Kurds to fight off ISIS right now.

Why should you care more about your country than any other sapient being in the world? In the real world this imagined moral righteousness is a scarcity, anyone can say "in the abstract I care about Indian lepers", however few are willing to spend $1000s on charity instead of making sure they have the latest smartphones, fashionable clothes, a decent motor and starbucks whenever they are out for the day. However history has shown that people actually do something when their tribe is under threat, if anyone has any motivation at all to be a good person you mustn't jinx it. Nationalism makes sense, no one can realistically shoulder the entire planet's burdens, however you can make your own patch a little better. If someone is not a nationalist then you can only assume they want to exploit their own people or have been spooked by someone who does.

>East German soldiers not to machine gun protestors
Never happened

>not even commiefag, just not full retard on history

I don't think you understood my post, so I'll elaborate.

>>Service based economy
"Service based economy" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means, it doesn't negate the fact that those who own the means of production are the most empowered in society. We still fundamentally capitalist with no end in sight. Capitalism is based on capital, i.e private financial assets.

>>good education is the main mean of production
And as I say this isn't true either. Good education doesn't automatically make you rich. Good education can provide a valuable avenue for entering the bourgeoisie which is what actually makes you rich.

Bill Gates is not rich because he went to school, he's rich because he owns all that property. School just helped him get there.

>How many of your commie friends do actually work in a factory? Yeah, right!
None, we all work in call centres instead now that Porky is moving industry to the third world.

>imblying it isn't the reverse

the elite wants globalism, the working man wants nationalism

The elite likes a little bit of both. Divided nations, united economies.

Too much of either isn't what they want.

"human capital" is not a means of production, tovarisch. if you work for a wage you're a prole.

The user you're replying to has American capitalist propaganda rammed to far up his bunghole to make a logical argument. Viva la revolucion siempre amigo

>let's ignore actual history which shows the working class of different nations hating each other and cling to our theory anyway

What is the problem communists have with reality?

Communism is a meme.

Socialism can only work in small doses while still being fully backed by capitalism.

You're all edgy teenagers lashing back at your mean boss instead of getting a new job

>import as much thirld worlders as possible
>divided nations

>Socialism can only work in small doses while still being fully backed by capitalism.
This makes no sense. This is like saying "capitalism can only work in small doses while still being fully backed by feudalism".

Let's also ignore all the efforts state propaganda designed to keep the proletariat dumb and loyal and fighting against their own interests. Cough trump cough

Are we seriously going to act like there aren't capitalist countries that have socialist institutions?

>Donald Trump is both bourgeoisie and the president elect the most powerful country on the planet.
>the elite unconditionally want more immigration meme

Yes.

And please, don't say something retarded like "the police are owned by the state and therefore are socialist."

>the elite unconditionally want more immigration meme
>meme

Never mind Hillary and Obama (both elites) that want to give amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegals. Illegal immigration heavily favors elites. It creates turmoil, which the elites benefit from. Undocumented immigrants are easily exploited by elites. Among other things, Trump being anti-illegal immigration means he's in the minority among elites.

The act of buying and selling goods based on market forces is capitalism, which happens in Cuba all the time.

It's not a black or white label, numb nuts.

But the proletariat is often zealously nationalistic and religious too.

"Nationalism is destroying tribalism for a homogenous mass without diversity" t. Tribalist during the rise of nationalism

Every historical trend shows that we are moving towards conformity and unification. Nationalists today who reject globalism are just like the tribalists who rejected nationalism. The concept of nation isnt inate and its getting less and less important.

oppressed turkish proles in capitalist germany

>Trump being anti-illegal immigration means he's in the minority among elites.
Except the white wealthy largely voted for Trump. It's very obvious the elite don't have a universally shared view on this.

>It's not a black or white label, numb nuts.
It is. Worker ownership = socialist, private ownership=capitalist. It's very black and white.

does everyone in turkey have bitch tits?

Those are literally fascists look at the hand signs.

>All those turkish wolves

Considering most teachers, both at high school and university levels, in the Western world are leftists, and they try to influence their students with their ideology, the real "state propaganda" comes from the left.

And still it doesn't work. Pathetic, really.

Explains all the leather KISS wore.

this is why no one will ever take socialism seriously

Thats a venezuelan or cuban schoolbook lmao. But nice try

Its the sign of the Grey wolves who are basically turkish fascists.

poor chinese proletariat taking revenge against capitalist japanese pigdogs by destroying a market.

Truly, this is done only due to socialist vigor and not ethnic hatred!

It's Brazilian.

poor mali proletariat, rising up and organizing armed resistance for secular world communism.

Nigga do you know what the word "state" means? There's no global jewish conspiracy to infiltrate the word with leftism. The intelligentsia of most nations leans left for a variety of reasons, but no one in college is forcing anyone to become a communist, and no one is forcing professors indoctrinate students into communism. Sorry you're still butthurt u flunked outta college thk

But you have tribalism becoming relevant again in postnationalist societies such as the US and canada.
Black lifes matter, white nats, mormons, asians staying under themselves...

>propaganda in education is fine

>all opinions I disagree with are propaganda where is my safe space

Education is state-controlled in most Western countries. If education is left-leaning or explicitly pro-communist, then there is state propaganda for communism.

It's not hard to understand this.

Nobody is born totally free and a biased education is important to ensure loyality towards society.

But there is no denying that it used to be a lot more in the past. Of course idea and sentiments resurface but i was talking about a historical TREND.

>nationality is still totally meaningless

If that true, nations wouldn't exist. Nation is increadibly important because its the system that makes you who you are and defines your behaviour and that of those around you to a large extent.

>citigroup
>hilton
>implying jamaica's economy isn't cucking to multi-nationals

I'm American so I can't speak on European nations, but in America professors as a rule have near complete control over their curriculum, especially so if they're tenured. If you want to talk about actual state control of education, it's in public schools, and it's all pro America pro capitalist. I

God is also totally meaningless but this does not mean that there are no more churches.

>Nation is increadibly important because its the system that makes you who you are and defines your behaviour and that of those around you to a large extent.
If I'm not mistaken it's school and family that do that.

>God is also totally meaningless but this does not mean that there are no more churches.

God is not totally meaningless. Meaningless does not equal not physically existing. Religion for many people is a way of life.

>If I'm not mistaken it's school and family that do that.

Which are institutions that are part of the nation. I couldn't have gone to school without the government making sure I had access to them and building the cirriculum in the first place.

> Religion for many people is a way of life.
A meaningless way of life.

>Which are institutions that are part of the nation. I couldn't have gone to school without the government making sure I had access to them and building the cirriculum in the first place.

>Nation means government
>mfw

But everything your nations government does to you could also be done by a world government.

Are you sure?
The past was generally more violent as people bred more expendable young males and life was harsh to warrant sticking together in the face of enemies out to get your ressources.

Now that many countries have welfare systems open display of ingroup preference is not as important anymore to survive.

Just because people club each other to death not as often anymore due to differing allegiance and ethnic dresses are only a thing for thirdworlders and gypsies does not mean that tribes have died. They simply arranged themselves with the comfort of modern life.
Take away the comfort and the thin layer civilisation will suddenly reveal that true "worldcitizens" are a hopeless minority.

Take it from a guy that works in the public education industry. Teachers have much more control over their curriculum then you think. Curriculums are basically just guidelines, the teacher fills out the other 70% with their own bullshit.

I've spoken to many teachers and most are left wing, centrist, and some are very hard left wing.

>A meaningless way of life.

The meaning of something is what information it holds. Religious life does hold information and instruction.

>could also be done by a world government

Not if the citizens won't accept their legitimacy. People won't like being told what to do by alien people who don't understand their way of life. Not only that, after a certain size, rebellion become difficult to deal with. If it was true that a world government could manage everyone, the Roman and British empires wouldn't have fallen.

>The meaning of something is what information it holds.
>information=meaning

BRAINLETS OUT

OK squirt, you go and have your fun trying and failing to convince people that a random Afro-Frenchman is more important to an Englishmen than the Queen.

I am an Englishman and they are both equally unimportant.

Just in what world do you live in? Do you take a look at reality every once in a while or do you just like to draw a priori conclusions from reading the communist manifesto?

The only so-called communist countries that haev something resembling a functioning society are extremely nationalistic.

The working class voted against globalism in the Brexit.
The working class voted against globalism again in the Trump election, against the entire media and wall-street

Meanwhile you socialists, that is urbanite middle class and upper middle-class individuals, were crying that "uneducated" (that is working class) people and old people (that is retired working class) shouldn't vote.

The working class heard you brag the entire election that only "uneducated" people voted for Trump, and boy did that backfire didn't it?

Daily reminder that Marxism is a petit-bourgeois ideology, their intellectuals aren't workers, they are petit-bourgeois, spouting petit-bourgeois values such as cosmopolitanism, open boarders and atheism.

The working class on the other hand is patriotic and religious. They are patriotic for this simple reason: they are tied to the soil. The socialist petit-bourgeoisie can always travel to Canada or Paris when shit hits the fan.

When the socialist petit-bourgeoisie brings their pet refugees over, it's the working class that has to endure the crime and rape and drop in living conditions. The socialist petit-bourgeoisie either live in gated neighborhoods or white flight to better pastures.

The working class has rejected you, and will always reject you.

But globalism gave a lot of people more wealth and comfort just like nations did to tribes.

The Queen is the most important thing in Britain. If the monarchy was destroyed, there would be no point in bothering to form a government, because it would just be a hollow lie.

Not to me I don't give a fuck.

>he thinks this is not propaganda

The funny thing is that he considers that the only thing preventing the "proletariat" from acting the way his theory says they should act is "state propaganda". And he uses "Trump" as an example.

You know, the guy who was opposed by the entire state, by the entire media, by the entire educational system, and still won. If anything, Trump victory shows how the "proletariat" don't care about propaganda.

The royalty is just another form of appreciating nationalism/patriotism, without nationalism a nation is meaningless, and will evidently destroy itself and become a non-entity

reminder that you aren't proletariat

Trump won because of a generation of Fox new indoctrination of a sector of America into far right thinking. It worked better than the Republican establishment thought, letting a demagogue use that indoctrination to take power. Saying shit like deporting immigrants will bring back jobs, when in reality that's not true

History isn't a railroad Marxist faggot.

Britain was founded on the premise of the monarchy.

Brazil in the last 20 years been having Hella austerity measures as a result of the imf's forced neoliberal policies. People been getting poorer and poorer and societies gotten even more polarized. Capitalism means something different in Latin america: imperialism, so they're gonna teach it a lot different than the west does. Obviously

So some whiny gibsmedat cunts, and not actual blue collar workers?

yes, a monarchy is inherently good as it spurs patriotism/nationalism which promotes stability

He didn't actually subscribe to Fox News orthodoxy, though. Fox News was never hard on immigration, for example.

That's just a convenient narrative. Besides, even if that were true, it's not "state propaganda".

>The Proletariat Revolution is the inevitable outcome of history
>one news channel (as opposed to literally all others, and printed press, movie industry and educational system) can stop the inevitable outcome of history
Never change commieshits

Including actual blue collar workers.

Telling that to a guy who thinks the complex, multifaceted modern world can be explained with an old book form a dead German...
There a reason Communists are irrelevant today, you know?

Every revolution follows the same script.

The middle class uses the lower class against the upper class.

The former middle class becomes the new upper class and turns against its lower class allies.

Generations later a new middle class is born.

Repeat.

Again socialists are power-hungry middle class that think they deserve to rule society. The whole rethoric about capitalist exploitation of the working class is just smoke and mirrors. See how quickly the Western socialists have turned against the white working class, seeking new allies in third worlders, blacks, gays, feminists. To them it is entirely irrelevant. They all equally serve against as cannon fodder.

Are you aware that nationalism started as revolution against monarchy and most of times it promotes change instead of stability?

If you feed chickens and recitate the works of ayn rand while doing it, they will gladly and gratefully take your food but not turn into libertarians.

Stupid allegory but double allegiances and oppurtonism are a thing after all.

Monarchy isn't inheretly patriotic, or even conservative. There's no guarantee that a monarch today wouldn't be a perfect SJW.

Daily reminder that the Pope is a monarch.

What the hell is this "globalism" we´ve been hearing about lately?

American imperialism? Universal humanism? Or is it just "cultural Marxism" of international politics?

nationalism isn't fascism

monarchies use tradition and history to promote themselves, which is the anti-thesis of decadent leftism/globalism

destroy all borders, mass immigration, and all that useless shit

I said fox news was a reason trump won, not the reason the Rev of the proletariat never happened. Now I see why yall think all education is controlled by global jewry-you didn't pay attention when you were in school

And nationalism isnt universal and eternal faggot

>monarchies use tradition and history to promote themselves

Yeah, but it doesnt has to be the one of the people they represent.
Polish nobles cosplaying as samartian race different from the polish servs, german nobles speaking french only at the courts (with the prussian Fritz saying he'd gladly let muzzies and pagans settle if they work diligently and dont bitch at each other)...

Concerning decadence I might want to remind you of the current heir to thailands throne and the designated shitting corners of Versaille.