Nazis ruined German cultu-

>muh history
>muh fatherland
>muh nationalism
>muh maudlin rusticism

Thomas Kinkade/10

neither are art, the left is a cartoon, the right an illustration

Right is the worst aspects of genre paintings combined into one picture.

I don't care much for the left, but at least it isn't fucking boring.

We've had this thread before. Otto Dix was a very good artist who told the harsh realities of life for great war veterans in the Weimar Republic

>lol so randum xD xcore 3edgy shit
>wholesome quaint picture

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Competing viewpoints

>The Nazis viewed the culture of the Weimar period with disgust. Their response stemmed partly from a conservative aesthetic taste, and partly from their determination to use culture as a propaganda tool.[3] On both counts, a painting such as Otto Dix's War Cripples (1920) was anathema to them. It unsparingly depicts four badly disfigured veterans of the First World War, then a familiar sight on Berlin's streets, rendered in caricatured style. Featured in the Degenerate Art exhibition, it would hang next to a label accusing Dix—himself a volunteer in World War I[4]—of "an insult to the German heroes of the Great War".[5]

Why couldn't Nazis handle banter?

Nazis were the sjws of their day

"He caricatured injured soldiers of the reich I'm literally shaking right now I can't even..."

>Nazis are the sjws of their day

FTFY

The one on the right is a romantic lie.

The one on the left is an ugly truth.

That statue is actually really gay

>my crackwhore mother never breastfed nor loved me therefore all depictions of a loving mother are romanticized lies
stop projecting

This, all these tumblrcore "my life was shit so everyone's is" fags are annoying

They were right though. You'd probably say that the hippies spitting on troops during Nam was patriotic or some shit

>getting offended over art
>"they were right"

nazis were sjws

The left is better lmao. Nazis were so degenerate.

>>Nazis ruined German cultu-
Has anyone actually said this?
They didn't ruin German culture

They ruined Germany and destroyed her population through their warmongering

top of the line projecting

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neither was and

>trying to "honor" them or tell le harsh truths by shitting on military service, sacrifice, and borderline mocking them

Sup rabbi

>getting triggered by a wholesome picture that isn't dark and edgy shit

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Why are Nazis such plebs?

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this is fun

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They also denounced the Teutonic order whilst using the Teutonic knight in their propaganda so it's not exactly like they were logical

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Good goy, be sure to consume your pre approved doses of pop culture today

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I think the word youre looking for is consistent. And i think thats probably from the nazis having pretty broad differing in opinions on some subjects. Like some were straight out mystic wackjobs and some thought it was really stupid.

>National Socialism
>isn't even socialist
>racial theories grounded in the 19th/early 20th century equivalent of ancient aliens

How did they get away with it?

The left is depicting disfigured veterans from ww1, it's not grotesque for the sake of it.

> The one in the left is actual art
> implying art can only be art if it looks unrealistic
> "Fuck you landscape painters! Fuck you Bob Ross! Only my shitty drawn geometric shapes are art!"

nazis contributed dogshit artistically, even Musolini had taste.

>"Why was Hitler such a pleb?"
Because he was a populist and wanted to become relatable to the underclass. The working class. The class from which he came.

>Thinks there's anything realistic about the painting on the right

Postcards aren't art user. There is plenty of realistic art and the right pis isn't it. Besides the right one isn't realism at all it's tacky romanticism

Both are art. Art is anything and everything you can conceive to be art. A collection of rocks in the middle of a field is art if someone, somewhere can have an emotional or critical reaction to it.

Issue with the Nazis is not that they provided funds to the arts on the right, but that they sought to restrict the production of arts similar to the one on the left. It should be the role of the state to provide a reasonable stimulus to the arts in general, because the production of culture is a necessity for a healthy society but is not always recognizably so to individual consumers. In all but the most extreme of cases they should not practice favoritism on style, and not engage in censorship of content.

>Mona Lisa is not art

>art
>wholesome
More like boring

N O H O M O

>wahhhhh why can't the stupid plebs be #enlightened like me and like the same art I do
Sad!

>Hi, my name's user and I can't distinguish the Mona Lisa from literal propaganda.

Before you were a Nazi, you were a liberal relativist, weren't you?

>Sad!
>>>/reddit/

Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!

>Postcards aren't art user
I know you're retarded, but do keep in mind that there is an actual definition of art, which happens to include pictures from both sides. As said.

>boring
Hello autist

What the hell are you talking about? Dix's portrayal was honest and sympathetic, a criticism of war and the victims it produces, and society's tendency to hypocritically revile them. The Nazis' censorship and criticism of his work is a rejection of the fate inflicted upon the veterans and denies them as the people they are in favour of the "German heroes" the Nazi propaganda mill needs, a deliberate suppression of knowledge of the true price of war.

For that matter, how is there any place whatsoever for those crippled by war in Nazi ideology? Weak, inadequate individuals that become more a burden than an asset, dragging down the rest of the master race and its nation with crippled bodies and minds borne of their failures in battle. There is nothing but beastliness and strife in the realisation of Nazi ideology.

Although being a bunch of fascists, futurism was A E S T H E T I C

Meh, the one on the left is very cluttered and to me atleast, unclear as to what the painter meant, but reducing ourselves to only displaying the real on the right doesn't really accomplish much ethier.

>What the hell are you talking about? Dix's portrayal was honest and sympathetic, a criticism of war and the victims it produces, and society's tendency to hypocritically revile them. The Nazis' censorship and criticism of his work is a rejection of the fate inflicted upon the veterans and denies them as the people they are in favour of the "German heroes" the Nazi propaganda mill needs, a deliberate suppression of knowledge of the true price of war.
How exactly does the painting say any of that? It's just an ugly depiction of cripples as monsters. Even if that truly was the intention, the painting doesn't communicate it well.
>For that matter, how is there any place whatsoever for those crippled by war in Nazi ideology? Weak, inadequate individuals that become more a burden than an asset, dragging down the rest of the master race and its nation with crippled bodies and minds borne of their failures in battle. There is nothing but beastliness and strife in the realisation of Nazi ideology.
Hollywood's portrayal of Nazism is not real life, user.

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At the time it would be pretty obvious after some reflection. Between the disfigurement of features, a wooden limb, synthetic jaw, and the cross on one of their uniforms. Common sights if you have world war 1 vets walking the streets every day. It does take a moment to realize what's being shown, but that's sort of intentional because it whips you in the face once you do.

>Hollywood's portrayal of Nazism is not real life, user.
I'm not a scholar but i'm fairly certain Nazi's didn't love the disabled.

Ya, the Nazi's made mistakes. But they got one thing right: kicking out the bankers and nationalizing the currency. Turned their depressing state of inflation into a thriving economy. But that also ended up biting them in the ass because those same bankers made sure to make them pay.

I guess you could say that they restricted so much "degenarate" forms of expression because they were dealing with so much outside pressures to bring them back into the fold of international banking, and they could never be sure who was sincere in their expressions and who was just an agent of the bankers paid to sow discord.

>Nazis hate artists who paint crippled veterans
>they create thousands of them in real life
>lol lets just ignore that and make art of muscular young men and cute babbies with their moms

This tbqh. It's much more insulting to real war vets to portray them all as perfect heroes in immaculate uniforms, either coming home unaffected by war or gladly giving their lives for muh fatherland. When in reality, the average vet was some farm boy conscripted into the army, starved for weeks covered in mud in some shitty trench and either got crippled and/or traumatized for life from having chunks of his best friends flesh splatter all over him when he stepped on a mine or feeling guilty for disembowling some other poor bastard like him with a bayonet.

This. It is why they loved him. He wasn't another elite smug asshole that only cared about putting money into the rich/important peoples pockets.

And appealing to hipster redditirs like the cucks ITT

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>>"Why was Hitler such a pleb?"
>Because he was a populist and wanted to become relatable to the underclass. The working class. The class from which he came.

Unlike you surely. You are a patrician and much better than those working class sods.

Also, you're one of those ignoramuses who conflates the working class and the underclass.

Ok, but which one do you want to stare at for the rest of your life? I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a wholesome quaint picture hanging on my wall, then something that looks like an acid trip.

This is all to encourage the kiddos to make with the babies for the master race.

They certainly didn't. First up was the alien, next was the infirm or invalid. Point 10 on the Nazi Party demands was that that every citizen must work.

I mean, the bankers didn't make them pay in so much as they committed the significant mistake of declaring their right to territory they had no legitimacy to. If they had opted to consolidate and maintain the relatively small borders they had, there wouldn't have been a war.

I'd rather have art and culture that is critically minded and reflective of the state of society. If society is good, let the art it produces be beautiful, but do not restrict the ability of culture to reflect the ugliness and misery contained within the society. To do so is a form of silencing the sufferers.

The meaning and intent of the painting is obvious with a brief analysis and a bit of contextual knowledge. You're daft and autistic if you think it doesn't communicate it sufficiently -- if anything, it's too unsubtle and overt, like a brick being beaten into the skull.

As regards your perspective on the Nazi perspective on the disabled: At best, you could say that the Nazis rejected the retarded and disabled; more realistically, they euthanised or sterilised most of them.

>Dix's portrayal was honest and sympathetic, a criticism of war and the victims it produces, and society's tendency to hypocritically revile the
But isn't the point of art, is that it can have different meanings to different people. Just because you don't like the meaning the Nazi's saw in it, doesn't mean your meaning is an absolute truth.

The majority of the working/labor class doesn't give a shit at finding "deep" meanings in art, they just want something to look at that makes them feel an emotion that ultimately makes them happier.

>romantic lie

Life is filled with moments. Who's too say that isn't a moment captured in a painting. Mothers do breastfeed their babies, and they also tend to love their babies. This mother just happened to be outside with a feild of wheat behind her.

>they lost so they destroyed it

Pretty sure it was the allies who choose to bomb the shit out of everything even though it wasn't necessary to win the war. They wanted to demoralize the shit out of the German people so they would never cause shit again. It obviously worked. Germany is a cucked nation.

Of course. The point of contention is that the Nazis deliberately suppressed anything that didn't serve their purposes; it doesn't matter if we have different interpretations of meaning, when a Nazi propagandist is preventing us from finding any meaning he doesn't approve of.

Interesting how Nazicucks actually preferred Kitsch over real art.
More interesting that they still do the same nowadays.

>tfw no foreskin
why mom why

>denounced the Teutonic order

>The heraldic cross pattée was sometimes used by the Teutonic Knights, a Crusader order, though their more usual emblem was a plain straight black cross on white,[citation needed].

>Many crowns worn by monarchs have jewelled crosses pattée mounted atop the band. Most crowns possess at least four such crosses, from which the half arches rise. Some crowns are designed so that the half-arches can be detached, allowing the circlet to be worn separately on occasion.

Obviously, the cross really has nothing to do with the Teutonic order. I don't see why it matters that they denounced them either. The Order was already disbanded and not even a factor, at least not publicly. Maybe some dukes, counts, or other royalty still had the cross going, but they probably didn't give a shit about the order and it's purpose.

What did he mean by leaving out the nipple though?

Define "real art"

It's just your autistic pseudo intellectual opinion

>minded and reflective of the state of society. If society is good, let the art it produces be beautiful, but do not restrict the ability of culture to reflect the ugliness and misery contained within the society. To do so is a form of silencing the sufferers.

I don't have a smug enough fedora jpg for this

Its ok Nazicuck, we all know what happened to the guys from "Entartete Kunst" and how Nazi "art" is percieved today.
>pretty much everybody they put on the Index became modern classics
>Nazikitsch never really made it

>I know you're retarded, but do keep in mind that there is an actual definition of art
I know you're retarded, but do keep in mind that the definition of art is one of the most contentious issues and there is no consensus so anyone expressing their opinion on what is and isn't art is doing exactly that- expressing an opinion.

Literal autism

Scathing.

>waahhh WHY isn't society still stuck with romanticism????? why did art move on like wtf????

>I don't have a smug enough fedora jpg for this

>In the case of Germany, the model was to be classical Greek and Roman art, regarded by Hitler as an art whose exterior form embodied an inner racial ideal.

Is nazism, Autism: The Ideology?

>"Entartete Kunst"
Fun fact, when the Nazis cleaned their museums and art galleries form art they didn't like, they made this "Entartete Kunst" exhibit with it.
After that, they sold it, the Swiss, as always a bit smarter, bought the whole lot, and by this one of the finest collections of modern art ever for changed hands for peanuts.

You should return to /b or /v, this place might not be so great for 16 year-olds

>high art, valued at millions

>what Nazicucks perceive as art

I think you're attributing a lot that isn't there to his post. It's really
>Everyone dumber than me is a retard
>Everyone smarter than me is an autist
>He used words I don't recognize so fuck him