How did Europeans deal with the fact that there was a huge and generally advanced non-white Empire straddling Europe...

Modern white supremacy is an American cultural export that comes out of the use of racism to split the US working class and permanently proletarianize African-Americans.

People were xenophobic but nothing like this existed in the past and at the time nationalisms weren't well defined.

Think about how afraid Europe has been of an expanding Russia, I imagine it would be similar.

This.

'White' identity, is just like 'black' identity or 'hispanic' identity. Just an American system being globalized into the rest of the world by American cultural dominance.

Only Americans and the heavily Americanized can say that Celts and Germans are the same race. Or Italians and the slavs.

Hell, you could say the highlander Scots were a different race than the low-lander Scots.

By the time Europeans were openly racist, the Ottoman Empire was known as the "sick man of Europe", so it didn't challenge their assumptions at all.

There was no hegemony of white supremacy.

Europeans identified as christians though and they were not exactly comfy with the muslim ottomans.
The perception of ottoman invincibility caused great distress for christian europe.

White supremacy as we know it today emerged more out of the scientific racism that would later evolve into Social Darwinism in an attempt to 'understand' why Europeans were so dominant in the prior centuries. Nordicism in the 19th century when the US was still in its infancy is an example of early white supremacist notions.

Maybe they doubted for a second but later checked ottoman rulers in google and saw that the sultans were whiter than most european nobility

>to split the US working class and permanently proletarianize African-Americans.
Not exactly true. African Americans were never viewed as equals among White American working class because they were in a social caste below them. There were several prominent American communists who rejected the notion that Black Americans could ever commit to Communism like whites.

What a surprize, given that Rumelia is Europe...

Because "white race" is an identity constructed by americans and only became relevant once the US started its supremacy.

Noone back then felt there was a white identity or an european one or even a western one. People felt connected to their nation at most and generally to their particular region.

Even nowadays, being "white" doesn't mean shit outside of america because it's pseudocientific terminology with no real meaning coined only to make americans feel like they're part of the same people.

Why didn't they try to destroy them to take the browns down a peg?

ugh

The Ottomans persisted until WW1... well after racial theories and the modern European identity had been created...

Why risk a war when the empire is already in decline?

>Asia, Africa, and South America ascendant
>European unity falling to the wayside
>USA/Canada becoming multiethnic

We're doing it boys. We're finally doing it.

White supremacy will die in our lifetimes!

balance of power

the turks were allowed their empire because they didn't want anyone else to have it (and certainly not russia!)

you got to understand that the 19th century was very much the century of pragmatism, ideologies could be readily shoved aside in favor of whatever suited the nation best

>the ottomans weren't white
>posts a picture of multiple white ottoman cadets
go back to the surf bruce

WASNT AN ISSUE WHEN THE OTTOMANS WERE RELEVANT.
>1500s-1600s.
>Yurobenis: Why, yes, the Ottomans are a highly adaptive bunch of people and are wealthy and acculturated as fuck with the wisdom of the Orient BUT HOLY SHIT THEY ARE VIOLENT MUSULMAN BARBARIANS OUT TO DESTROY CHRISTIANITY. POPE CRUSADE PLS!!!

1800s
>Yurobenis: Lol, sick man of Europe, serves them right for being ruled by hidebound Asiatic hordes.

/int/ernment campers get out! And take your abo friends with you!

>Africa
>South America

Wew..

>Ottoman empire
>entire empire based on free standing foot holders
>advanced

How do you hold your feet if you are free standing?

"advancement" is a spook.

Never talk to me or my mutual sex partner's son ever again

In colonies and contact with non Euros it existed.

South Americans having some kind of global hegemony is probably the best case scenario for white "people" though

Why would it?
South Americans would give no fuck for whites outside their own citizens.

>race is a social construct invented in the 19 century by evil wasis americans
>Spaniards developed an entire autistic caste system based on how much Spanish blood one had down to 1/32nd fractions
>European colonialists stratified their settlements in Africa by race all the time

when will commushits give it a rest

What?

The closest thing to European Identity was Bismark's idea of balancing world power, and even that was simply a method of keeping Germany relevant in a hostile world. At that time the Ottomans were on their last legs. I mean outside that you imperialism, which was more nationalism that anything else combined with a healthy dose of no other continent was on Europe's level at the time.
Even through out the rise of Islam, Europe was seen as an easy target for raids as they were too busy fighting each other to deal with Arab threats.

Their economies are growing at breakneck speed

Only bottom left could be considered remotely white yet he clearly has heavy Asian ancestry

NICE ONE

Right. Rich whites used the argument, "at least you're not a nigger!" To control poor whites.

How does that make "white race" and "white supremacy" a thing?

Also for fear of inspiring revolutions, the legitimacy of the Sultan had to be supported.

>Hegemony of white supremacy

What

>people historically hated "the other" so much even the people in the next village 10 km were considered subhumans and anybody that didn't speak your language was literally considered non human
>ah bloo bloo why did concepts of racism only arise when people of different races started interacting with each other on a mass scale

Why are leftists so idiotic?

>people historically hated "the other" so much even the people in the next village 10 km were considered subhumans and anybody that didn't speak your language was literally considered non human

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

That's literally an example of race being a social construct.

I think he's getting at that the concept of racial prejudice isn't exceptionally "artificial" as people were always prejudiced against other groups different from them for whatever reason.

Because if the Ottoman's died, the Continent would collapse into massive power squabble over who owned what, and more than likely Russia would get a big cut, and no one wanted that.

Turks were such cuckolds. I bet that black guy impregnated all their wives.

>Spaniards developed an entire autistic caste system based on how much Spanish blood one had down to 1/32nd fractions

Yeah, Spaniard blood, not 'white blood'.

To this day, a person from a Latin country with 100% Spaniard descent would not be considered white in the USA.

Everyone south of Texas is 'hispanic/lantino', not white.